Mouth to Lung Subvod Help

[TheHappyWanderer]

Hello! I'm The Happy Wanderer.

I've been vaping since February with various cigalikes, but today I decided to pick up a Kangertech Subvod at our local vape shop. I got it to save money on cartridges. Before I used Mistic and I went through a pack of $20 cartridges a week.

Little did I know that the Subvod is for direct lung inhales. I like to vape like smoking a cigar or pipe (i.e. mouth inhales.) The Subvod doesn't have a wattage switch, but you can shrink the air hole.

Is there a way I can use the Subvod better for mouth to lung vaping? As of now, my old Mistic kit seems to be more enjoyable for mouth inhales.

Also, I like the 1.8% nicotine Mistic cartridges. What nicotine strength would be the same in the Subvod?

 

[djsvapour]

Hi!

Yes.... all these things are do-able.

You can easily exchange the coil (it comes as 0.5ohm) for another higher resistance one.

I started with a system that was going to cost me $5,000 year! You have done the right thing. Both your battery and tank are totally suitable. If, in the long run, you decide the tank is just too much, you can use a 19mm tank on those subvod batteries and vape as gently as anyone could ever wish.

 

[Gramdogg]

Kanger SSOCC Atomizer head - 1.2Ω/ohm
Kanger SSOCC Atomizer head - 1.5Ω/ohm

 

[djsvapour]

The subvod vapes at a 'set' power. It's about 26-27 watts i.i.r.c.
A 1.0ohm coil will halve that to 13 watts.
A 1.2ohm (personally I think this is going too far) would give you 11 watts.

A 'tobacco company' cig-a-like is typically not even 6 watts by the way. One particularly arrogant brand tried to promote a cig-a-like that on paper vapes at 3.8 watts.... which is basically no vapor.
7-10 is a nice vape with the right set-up. Subtanks are a bit too big i.m.o. for going under 10w.

 

[TheHappyWanderer]

Thanks for the replies!

Is there a battery safety reason why one shouldn't go higher than the 1.2, or is it just preference?

 

[bigdancehawk]

Hello! I'm The Happy Vaper.

I've been vaping since February with various cigalikes, but today I decided to pick up a Kangertech Subvod at our local vape shop. I got it to save money on cartridges. Before I used Mistic and I went through a pack of $20 cartridges a week.

Little did I know that the Subvod is for direct lung inhales. I like to vape like smoking a cigar or pipe (i.e. mouth inhales.) The Subvod doesn't have a wattage switch, but you can shrink the air hole.

Is there a way I can use the Subvod better for mouth to lung vaping? As of now, my old Mistic kit seems to be more enjoyable for mouth inhales.

Also, I like the 1.8% nicotine Mistic cartridges. What nicotine strength would be the same in the Subvod?

What don't you like about it? Is the draw not tight enough? If it's like my Kanger Toptank Mini, it's a fairly loose draw even with just one hole open.

 

[TheHappyWanderer]

What don't you like about it? Is the draw not tight enough? If it's like my Kanger Toptank Mini, it's a fairly loose draw even with just one hole open.

The draw isn't tight enough. I find it doesn't produce as much vapor as my Mistic when doing mouth to lung.

I didn't really mess with the airflow much because I was afraid it might cause the battery to overheat. My one doesn't have airflow holes, it has a big airflow oval that can be made smaller.

 

[bigdancehawk]

The draw isn't tight enough. I find it doesn't produce as much vapor as my Mistic when doing mouth to lung.

I didn't really mess with the airflow much because I was afraid it might cause the battery to overheat. My one doesn't have airflow holes, it has a big airflow oval that can be made smaller.

Make the airflow opening as small as you like. That's not what causes batteries to overheat.

 

[Continuity]

As bigdancehawk said. you can make that airflow as small as you like - it has *nothing* to do with keeping the battery cool.

If you're really missing that MTL feel, you might be better off in the long run with a tank that is designed to provide that kind of vape, like the Taifun range, the Kayfuns (except the 'Monster' models) or something like the Flash-e-Vape v3 (might be more for 'advanced' vapers).

The kind of tanks I mentioned above you have to build your own coil and wick for, but this is really easy if you have working eyes and hands, and a modicum of nouse and they allow you to really tailor your preferred vape style by letting you dictate the coil size, the coil resistance and wick type etc. There is also the benefit of it saving quite a lot of money as you wouldn't have to buy coil heads any more, just some resistance wire and some cotton of which $10 worth of both would probably last you 3 years.

1.6% juice is equivalent to 16mg juice - although bear in mind that the more powerful the device you vape it from will dictate how much nic you will be vaping - 36mg in a cig-a-like might well feel like vaping 6mg in a powerful SubOhm 'big air' device.

 

[djsvapour]

Thanks for the replies!

Is there a battery safety reason why one shouldn't go higher than the 1.2, or is it just preference?

You can go as high as you like really... eventually, there'll be almost no vapor.

I use this calculator. Put in the numbers (values, 2 of them) and go! The subvod battery is 3.7v i.i.r.c.

Online Conversion - Ohm's Law Calculator

I find it hard to MTL above about 15w... but that could just be me. I tend to fall into slip-streaming more DTL.

 

[djsvapour]

If you're really missing that MTL feel, you might be better off in the long run with a tank that is designed to provide that kind of vape, like the Taifun range, the Kayfuns (except the 'Monster' models) or something like the Flash-e-Vape v3 (might be more for 'advanced' vapers).

Good observation. I don't know if its the drip-tip but I fall into DTL with Monsters. It's a nice tank (and cheap) but falls between the two a bit i.m.o.

 

[Continuity]

Good observation. I don't know if its the drip-tip but I fall into DTL with Monsters. It's a nice tank (and cheap) but falls between the two a bit i.m.o.

I think it's the airholes in the base - they're *huge* - the airhole on the deck isn't that large, but I think the sum total of their effects adds up to a more 'restricted DTL' vape for most people.

 

[djsvapour]

I think it's the airholes in the base - they're *huge* - the airhole on the deck isn't that large, but I think the sum total of their effects adds up to a more 'restricted DTL' vape for most people.

Spot on! Anyway, they are in the starting eleven for the zombie apocalypse.
When there's no legal tanks (and if China side with the EU) I have a modest collection.
7 of them are called 'Kayfun'... only 1 is real.

 

[Continuity]

Ooh - which original SM do you own, how much did you pay for it, and can you tell the difference between it and the clone(s)?

Which cig-a-like company *was* it that you started with that would have cost £8,000/year to run?

 

[djsvapour]

Ooh - which original SM do you own, how much did you pay for it, and can you tell the difference between it and the clone(s)?

Which cig-a-like company *was* it that you started with that would have cost £8,000/year to run?

£30 (plus a trade)...
Kayfun Lite Plus by SvoeMesto
No, not really. Just a few tiny details.

E-Lites, of course. $5,000 = £3,500.... thereabouts I reckon.

 

[Larry J]

@TheHappyWanderer, try using the gear you have and taking just small, gentle puffs. You'll likely have to draw much more lightly on the Subvod than on what you had been using.

 

[Gramdogg]

You should be fine with the MTL coils. The airflow in the coils themselves are smaller. Either coil should give you a nice vape at 3.7v, I vape 1.8 ohm EVOD's at 3.4v and get plenty of vapor. Rewicked with cotton and running 80VG.

 

[Gramdogg]

Basically air hitting the coil keeps it cooled so you can run higher watts (lower ohms) with airflow wide open in DTL but MTL with air flow cut down the higher ohm coils will reach the same temperature at lower watts. 12W/9W with air flow wide open at 1.2/1.5 ohm wouldn't be very good, but with air flow at lowest setting plus the restricted airflow in the coil itself should be fine. Just may have a 1-2 sec ramp up time.

 

[Grimwald]

I run subox (the subvod uses a topbox mini) coils of 1.2 ohms and run them all day at 7.5 watts on the smallest airhole. Yes, you can MTL. The subvod style will never be like mistic style...it is just more airy and hits much harder. Something you will have to get used to. I would certainly lower your nic level...maybe 12mg to start...might need to go lower.

 

[TheHappyWanderer]

Thanks again for the replies! I guess I'll look for some 3mg e-juice and some 1.2 ohm coils.

Yesterday I accidentally bought 0mg e-juice.