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I'm here, just don't have much to add to anything at this point, not feeling all that great and have a very short fuse at this point. So, I don't know how much I'll be around for a while. Been seeing some things that I have found a bit, well, I'm not going to get into it at this point. Anyway, I wish everyone the best!

awww dusty.....sorry sweetie. if you need to vent, i am impenetrable to your ire. sorta kinda. so pm me if you feel the need ok?
 

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meh, Ringo was the perfect drummer for the Beatles. once they started writing whole albums, everything he played was exactly what was needed. anything more, or anything less would have changed things. he deserves a lot of credit.

Ringo was not a real good "technical" drummer ... not on the scale of a Buddy Rich or Gene Krupa ... but his style did fit perfectly with the Beatles ... however, they did sneak in a few studio drummers on some of their albums. What the biggest deal was with Ringo, was his personality was a better fit for the group. He was a carefree jolly outgoing kind of guy whereas Best was the brooding tough guy.
 

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i heard or read somewhere that on some tracks, paul would go and redo ringo's drumming because he was dissatisfied with it. any truth to that?

i reckon that's a Sean question! Paul pretty much told him what to do. i had a link for who played what on each song, but i lost it.

i know Paul played drums on The Ballad of John and Yoko, only him and John played on it, but i'm not a Beatles expert, by any means.

Sean use to run some Beatles websites. i meant to give him the link, but...:oops:
 

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i heard or read somewhere that on some tracks, paul would go and redo ringo's drumming because he was dissatisfied with it. any truth to that?

Not true, and Paul is mortified that rumor is still around (Ringo thinks it's hilarious!). I suspect it arises from the fact that at one point during the White Album sessions, Ringo officially quit the band. With the studio time already booked, the show had to go on, so to speak, so Paul drummed on a few tracks, he being the only other one of them who could play drums a little bit. But Ringo cooled down and came back a few days later, to find his drumkit surrounded with flowers as an apology from the other three.

Ringo has joined Paul and vice versa on many of their solo projects since the breakup of the band (he drums on most of the Flaming Pie album - Paul did the rest)... that wouldn't be the case if there was bad blood between them. :)
 

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I'm here, just don't have much to add to anything at this point, not feeling all that great and have a very short fuse at this point. So, I don't know how much I'll be around for a while. Been seeing some things that I have found a bit, well, I'm not going to get into it at this point. Anyway, I wish everyone the best!

i hope you feel better, my good man! let me know if i can do anything! or erm...stop doing anything!:blush:

we'll be thinking about you.;)
 

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Yeah, but he gets royalties out the yin-yang (and has ever since Anthology Vol 1 - belated, I agree, but it's there now) and he's been whining up a storm on the minor-Beatles-related-celebrity talk circuit since 1964... and makes quite a good living that way, and always has. I just think it's bad form to make "I knew the Beatles" your job when your constant coda to that phrase is "wah wah I was a better drummer than Ringo!"

Plenty of people rode the Beatles coattails to their own brand of success, and I don't have a problem with that... but it's a little disingenuous to decide to make your living that way *while trashing* the people you're making your money off of.

Shame, cause he's a good drummer, but his people skills need work.

Agree 98% ..... my only exception is in that he was a good drummer ..... he was mediocre at best ... IMHO, Ringo wasn't a GREAT drummer but he was quite a bit better than Pete ... and Ringo's personality was a better fit.


The only point I was trying to make was if I were in his shoes, I would have a pretty hard time with myself for quite a while watching them on the international stage right after I was part of the band, then all of a sudden I'm a nobody.
 

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Sam, Mark Lewisohn has a new book out that's another exhaustive history of the Beatles - it's a planned first of three volumes, and he considers it his magnum opus. It's here if you hadn't heard about it. Most of my Beatles books and paraphernalia are still packed away from our move a year and a half ago (we moved 23 years of stuff in about 48 hours and I rarely feel physically up to sorting through it all, so it's a slow process) but my "studio sessions bible" is this, which I bet is the book you're thinking of.
 

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Ringo was not a real good "technical" drummer ... not on the scale of a Buddy Rich or Gene Krupa ... but his style did fit perfectly with the Beatles ... however, they did sneak in a few studio drummers on some of their albums. What the biggest deal was with Ringo, was his personality was a better fit for the group. He was a carefree jolly outgoing kind of guy whereas Best was the brooding tough guy.

never said he was a good technical drummer! :p anything more or less might have detracted from the songs. there were NOT great songs, but they SOUNDED great! Paul was a great bass player, imho. a better drummer would have changed how he played. a lot of times, Paul IS the rhythm and Ringo is playing fills. also, look at Come Together, a real drummer would have changed that song.
 

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Not true, and Paul is mortified that rumor is still around (Ringo thinks it's hilarious!). I suspect it arises from the fact that at one point during the White Album sessions, Ringo officially quit the band. With the studio time already booked, the show had to go on, so to speak, so Paul drummed on a few tracks, he being the only other one of them who could play drums a little bit. But Ringo cooled down and came back a few days later, to find his drumkit surrounded with flowers as an apology from the other three.

Ringo has joined Paul and vice versa on many of their solo projects since the breakup of the band (he drums on most of the Flaming Pie album - Paul did the rest)... that wouldn't be the case if there was bad blood between them. :)

Your brain is chock full of cool and interesting information. :)

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Sam, Mark Lewisohn has a new book out that's another exhaustive history of the Beatles - it's a planned first of three volumes, and he considers it his magnum opus. It's here if you hadn't heard about it. Most of my Beatles books and paraphernalia are still packed away from our move a year and a half ago (we moved 23 years of stuff in about 48 hours and I rarely feel physically up to sorting through it all, so it's a slow process) but my "studio sessions bible" is this, which I bet is the book you're thinking of.

no, it was all online. i totally meant to share it with you! :facepalm: i still don't know why i didn't!

i might search my history and find it for you.
 

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Ringo was not a real good "technical" drummer ... not on the scale of a Buddy Rich or Gene Krupa ... but his style did fit perfectly with the Beatles ... however, they did sneak in a few studio drummers on some of their albums. What the biggest deal was with Ringo, was his personality was a better fit for the group. He was a carefree jolly outgoing kind of guy whereas Best was the brooding tough guy.

Agreed that Ringo isn't the most technical drummer in the world, but one of the things I love about him is that he's never claimed to be... he does what he does, and he's happy with that. Actually, there was only once that a studio drummer was used (other than Paul on the rare occasions Ringo wasn't there)... When Pete Best was fired, the studio time for the recording of the single version of Love Me Do was already booked. George Martin had met the band with Pete, but he'd never even seen Ringo. Not having been impressed with Pete's drumming, he'd booked a studio drummer for the session (a guy called Andy White, to give the poor man his due!)

George's decision to use a studio drummer was the straw that broke the camel's back for John re: Pete not being the right fit, so that decision actually directly *led* to Pete being fired. Then the Beatles showed up to the session with this new drummer George Martin had never seen... so he says, "hi, pleasure to meet you, but Mr. Andy White has already been booked to drum."

During the recording of the Please Please Me album, George Martin had the chance to get to know Ringo, realized he had drumming chops, and allowed the band to re-cut "Love Me Do" with Ringo drumming on it for the album version. So, to this day, the only recording of the Beatles using a studio drummer is the *single* version of Love Me Do.

Agree 98% ..... my only exception is in that he was a good drummer ..... he was mediocre at best ... IMHO, Ringo wasn't a GREAT drummer but he was quite a bit better than Pete ... and Ringo's personality was a better fit.


The only point I was trying to make was if I were in his shoes, I would have a pretty hard time with myself for quite a while watching them on the international stage right after I was part of the band, then all of a sudden I'm a nobody.

I didn't say Pete was a good drummer *then*... he was terrible! :D But he's a pretty good drummer *now*. Not great - but good. Competent would perhaps be the better word. He could have made a lot more money by improving his drumming and touring as Pete Best and the (whatevers), but he chooses to whine instead, which is the sad/irritating part of the whole business.
 

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An adaptor for an 808 batt to play (LOL) ego (NOT 510, just the outside ego threaded) tank.
So an 808 to ego adaptor. NOT 808 to 510 adapter. Will look again, multi tasking and I suk at it.

808-1 or 808-2? the V2 and many others used 808D-1 and is much more popular than 808D-2 (Green Smoke)
 
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