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Sam, you don't *really* think this board is the only window I have open all day, do you? ;) Rabbles are being roused, my friend. The only reason it's taken so long is that those of us working on it are spread out all over the world. (Many countries are using the same broken system, so we've all banded together.) I was hoping to make this go a little faster when I applied for a spot on the Disabilities Commission in 2008, but I got the nicest "you are terribly overqualified" rejection letter I've ever received, instead. (The guy they hired instead is... how shall I say it.... the very opposite of terribly overqualified. Win some, lose some - at least gimps are in the room when disability policy is being discussed on a federal level, now. First time in history that's been true. Next time around maybe we'll be able to put someone there who knows what they're talking about - I do plan to reapply, just for the heck of it.)

I know this is a polarizing thing to say these days, but my mom was a union steward for 20 years, and she taught me everything she knows... including that you don't just lie down and take it when there's ridiculousness afoot. :)

i was represented by a weak ... union. i didn't know quite how bad it was, because i was the one who took care of bizness at my job. the union had a screwy election, that they had to redo. i told the president that i was going to run for vp. he asked me to run for the eboard instead, but he would put me on his ticket.

on the eboard, i learned a bit more about how screwy they were. union officers felt they needed to get me off the eboard, so they offered me a job. they hired me, saying i had to resign from the eboard. next up, they gave me the biggst property they had, The Westin Hotel. folks there were pro union, but had gotten screwed big time in the last negotiations. (they were setting me up to fail, so they could get rid of me.)

when the full scope of their incompetence became clear, i went into overdrive. i started studying, asked my sister for help and fired the union's atty from working on any of my houses. he told me that i couldn't do that, because he deliberately re-wrote contract language so that only he could interpret it. i told him that i would rather lose a few cases than be connected to his slimy ....

i worked like a banshee from hell. i was able to get more than a dozen letters of understanding during that contract period, that improved working conditions. the HR guy who kicked the union's .... in '93 (who used to refer to me as "the fat guy") was terminated in '95 because i became his his worst nightmare. i won a huge seniority issue for the room attendants and kitchen staff, that we honestly should have lost due to the union conceding the past practice before. i don't concede.

i use the "zipper clause" in the contract, that the union thought worked against them, and used it against the hotel. i began a steady stream of NLRB charges that got the GM fired even before the HR guy, the HR guy getting fired was a peace offering to me.

next, congress past FMLA. i became an expert on it, thanks to Joe Breslin of the Lumberjack's Trust in Oregon. Starwood Corporation tried going head to head with me, but eventually conceded, they simply declared that "if Sambuca says it's FMLA, it's FMLA." with the heavy work and wear and tear on the women in the housekeeping department, FMLA was like winning the lottery.

in 1996, the Westin's atty sent word to me that the hotel was dumbfounded by my bargaining committee. i sat their best employees
across the table from them and our proposals were all intended to make the hotel work better and be fairer to the employees. we got a good contract, but not good enough for me. in 1999, the most vocal room attendant,Keh (God love her) declared that they just got the best contract that they ever had. i got back everything they lost in '93 (that i hadn't fixed yet), some stuff they lost in the 80s and some stuff they never had before.

i had gotten rid of the worst reps (a few good ones had quit) and the sec treasurer. i got elected as vp in '95. we almost saved the prez, but he fell prey to his "adviser" and ran a really crappy sec treasurer. after negotiations in 1999, i took down the prez, sec treasurer and that advisor. the IU wanted me gone, perhaps worried i'd go after them as well. they paid me well, when they canned me though! (it sucked to be out of the fight, i must admit.)

now, i don't have half the brains that you do!

it seems the that the way the disabled are treated is, in fact, a violation of the ADA. it is a "reasonable accommodation" to let some folks take a lighter course schedule. PERIOD! to not make that concession, violates the ADA. you can show hardship from it.

if the "goal" it to get folks off of ssi/ssdi, then it is a wicked failure. the quicker folks can complete their degrees enables them to join the workforce, so...what's wrong with that picture?

i'm not saying you don't have any other windows open, but...maybe not enough! you have brains, you have talent.

while it is a "fight", think of it in terms of ju jitsu. how can you make the current laws work for you. think outside the box. just like water, crap flows downhill.

with your brains, talent and charisma, nothing can stop you. watch some Dr Who, and change the way you are viewing the problem. sometimes you greatest obstacles can be used in your favor.

just because someone says, "that's the way it is", don't mean a whole lot of poop, unless you accept it as the way it is. who says they're right, anyway?

see if you can use that 2nd option of yours as well. it doesn't have to be "your" ADA case. if you've got allies, you've got cases. your minor in writing (like you need it) is right up your alley.

i did everything i did, w/o the ability to write. the HR guy i got fired, referred to most of my NLRB charges as "shotgun blasts". i used the zipper clause to contest them on every single change they made w/o negotiating. as they didn't feel that they needed to negotiate anything first, i had ample targets. (what "managements rights! :p you have the right to negotiate! ;))

you don't always have to find a new answer, just a new way to look at the problem.

:D

sorry to rant, buddy. just make sure you know know that you are a total joy to have around here! you've got brains, talent, passion, wit and charm. so it's not like you don't have any ammo! i haven't met too many folks that could face you in a showdown! they wouldn't have enough tools, dude. (they'd be "handicapped" compared to you. not a fair fight, by any means. i'd like to see that!)

btw, how's TDay dinner coming? :p
 

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Thanks for that clarification Mowgli! See, that puts a whole different perspective on it for me. Note to self: grow thicker skin roonies :rolleyes:

I only read the first 2 paragraphs before posting it.
I wanted to turn you on to Adbusters because they debunk bull.... and seem like something you'd enjoy.
When I got around to reading the rest of that article I realized how depressing it actually is.
I realized that would be the wrong introduction for you.
Most of their stories are solution based but that one was problem based.

Don't dismiss them because I pointed you to the wrong article.
It's well written important message they publish.
I don't think you're delusional. I was only trying to send some good reading your way :oops:


related -Watched Battle In Seattle the other night for the first time. decent, well done activist movie :thumb:


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It was crazy manic in there tonight! And they generally have at least 750 upwards to 1,000 people in there every single week. Seems like there are double winners every week too but they often talk about how the Vaughn TV randomizer sucks. I can't win for anything! Tonight the chat was going so fast, even in slomo, that I was dizzy!! I need to rethink how I'm spending those hrs. every Sat. Guess I do get some good coupon codes that I've taken advantage of, but I'm usually spending, while never winning.

And that is the idea. Their viewers will probably drop off for the holidays. Over the years I have found that people tend to spend less time on forums and other online social activities in general from thanksgiving to about the end of January. ECF may be different though due to the forum's main topic.

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Ran through half a tank last night/this am. No odd flavors. Just not much flavor at all.

Now that it isn't actively awful, however, I'll see how it works mixed with other stuff.

I'm persistent, if occasionally annoyed by things that everyone else finds amazing and I don't... :)


I don't think I'd ever vape a whole tank of straight WC, but it works great for mixing into darker juices to save your attys a little bit, and it makes the flavor creamier, to my tastebuds anyway.
 

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Hi Ruby, and welcome! I love the raspberries too. I've been mixing Orange Dream Bar, Swedish Lime, and Get Razzled the last couple days and it makes a delightful fruity sherbert type mix. Let us know if you have any questions about flavors and stuff. We have lots of opinions, experience, and we also have a lot of fun here just goof'n off!! :smokie:

I will second, and confirm the quality, freshness, rapid delivery and GREAT customer experience from Mt Baker - Digging BIG TIME on his raspberry at the moment - Granted, everyone's taste buds are different, and there are couple of his I have tried that weren't my cup of tea, but I passed them along to others whose taste buds just loved them! Some are good right out of the package, some need to steep a bit, but for the price, quality and quantity - Mt. Baker is ACES!
 

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and that would be, of course, because they both have cinnamon in them! drat! I really wanted to try pumpkin spice too....hope they'll be back soon. I'm keep'n the faith. Dark Chocolate and Whipped Cream sounds pretty tasty too!! I have milk choc. maybe I'll do some of that with whipped cream today....


Switched to Dark Chocolate and Whipped Cream for a while to make my Sticky Bun last. Neither Pumpkin Spice nor Pumpkin Cookie are back in stock yet... *metaphorically taps foot*

Oh well. Time to go make the herb butter for the bird.
 

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Thanks Roonies! My paycheck hasn't earned it LOL A girl posted it for trade, so i sent her a msg saying i'd buy it if she didn't end up finding her trade. but how ironic, the same one i have, TWINS! lol


I have a neat shelf, two squares off center? I have a pic somewhere on this thread. It looks artsy, and holds all my juice. I do want a little stand for my desk though to keep all my pt's/evods/drip tips/some juice and pvs in. i'm thinking about making one to really suit exactly waht i want it to. I'm tired of knocking over my stuff lol.



I have pt's, a pt2, pt minis, and pt2 minis. I really like them. They all serve different purposes. I vape a lot though. The mini 2 holds less than a normal mini. I love them for their size and how well they fit on egos.

The humidor works well. I spent a few hundred on it back when I had my business and had money. Lol. I just took out one of the top cedar trays and the juice bottles fit with plenty of room. Some of the brass fittings I removed will probably be used at some point for a project I have in mind. The other trays and drawers are housing all the extra vape supplies.

Oh, I use a remote caddy for my pv's. It was a Christmas gift last year. Happy 4 month anniversary. :) hope you get that REO you want!

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I grew up in the tv generation and have to admit I love it....always have. Except for those years in my 20's when it was all music all the time, I've been pretty much warping my mind on a regular basis. I'll leave the heavy stuff to you and Mowgli...is that bad?? Well, on second thought, I guess if I'm honest, I've reached that age where I don't have to apologize for my likes. Groove on buddy!

I'm with you. I am a total TV junkie. I was about 8 when I was given a hand me down TV for my room. My weird fascination with technology is probably one of the reasons why I liked it so much.

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I wanna come hang out at *your* house!!! :D

hope clutter doesn't bother ya.. and since the arm got broken in August.. cleaning hasn't been my best event - starting to play catchup on that this week

lucky. i have been awake since 5 am. got my crock pot full of stuffed pepper soup going!

I was gonna ask for the recipe.. but it's already posted.. thanks

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And with that, my MBV friends, I'm off to organize a cleaning party. Have a house full of guests this coming week.

if ya still have energy when you're done.. my house is next! ~grin~


so.. in getting ready for black Friday.. a day I will never leave the house - I have my mvb cart started.. and you guys are making me want to dip my toes in the fruity vape water again!!! I wish there were smaller sizes for tastes of things that I'm fairly sure I won't be thrilled with but you folks make em sound sooooooo good. Like send me one mini clearo's worth...

Sweet is my friend.. and I do like Johnny Chimpo.. so maybe banana's foster or banana's gone nuts.. anyone want to weigh in on which one's sweeter?

If ya put little bowls of fruit in front of me..my favs are honeydew (as long as it's not that wet potato tasting honeydew), raspberry, peach and blueberry - then cherry, mango and any mix of the list. Suggestions for vape flavors please.. was hoping that I'd get a sample of that sherbert flavor last order.. but it was bubble gum - again.. I request that it be max vg.. didn't wanna push on the flavor.

Also I was planning on getting a bunch of coils for my SI T3's and *gasp* they're OOS.. I wasn't planning on recoiling.. ever but they're gonna make me! I might just have to get their new double top coil thing instead - hoping those have the replacement heads in stock by Friday

*goes to sit with Kelli watching the rest of yas recoil things* I don't waaaaaaaaaaaaaaanna
 

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oh man, im not a very good cook LOL.

Crockpot Stuffed Pepper Soup - Family Fresh Meals

i based mine on that recipe. i'll cook the ground beef on the side for my boyfriend. i roasted 6 peppers, peeled the skin then pureed it, and used that instead of tomato sauce. 2 cups water. 2 cans diced tomatos. threw in 2 chopped peppers, some celery, carrots, onion, garlic, and 2 vegetable bullion to give it more flavor. crock pot for 6-8 hours :)


on topic,kinda. im really suprised by how easy it is to rewick my rm2. making the coils takes me like 5 minutes, but just pulling out the cotton, dry burning the coil, and putting more cotton in is like 2 mins! I'm not sure yet how long the coils last, mine look kinda icky, but dry burn looks clean so i keep using them. lol

They should be fine until they pop (break).

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Oh believe me, their fan base is doing nothing but growing. You may be right about the holidays, but vapers are passionate people with a cause....throw in some lively, pretty much uncensored discussion, a boatload of giveaways from a sponser list that is also growing, weekly, and you've got a recipe for success. Then you've got the 'after show' for all of the insomniacs out there, keeping you connected with like minded people til the wee hours....yeah. And that's just one live vape webcast that's going on all night long any night of the week. I know, because I don't sleep...lol...Mod Envy is Vapor Joe's deal, not an ECF thing, and he has a ginormous fan base. I think he said last night they had over 6,000 in their FB group after last night's broadcast. That's substantial. Not for everyone, granted, but there are obviously lots of folks like me who are going to be there, no matter the date. yeah....guess you could say I'm a fangirl. ;)

And that is the idea. Their viewers will probably drop off for the holidays. Over the years I have found that people tend to spend less time on forums and other online social activities in general from thanksgiving to about the end of January. ECF may be different though due to the forum's main topic.

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Oh believe me, their fan base is doing nothing but growing. You may be right about the holidays, but vapers are passionate people with a cause....throw in some lively, pretty much uncensored discussion, a boatload of giveaways from a sponser list that is also growing, weekly, and you've got a recipe for success. Then you've got the 'after show' for all of the insomniacs out there, keeping you connected with like minded people til the wee hours....yeah. And that's just one live vape webcast that's going on all night long any night of the week. I know, because I don't sleep...lol...Mod Envy is Vapor Joe's deal, not an ECF thing, and he has a ginormous fan base. I think he said last night they had over 6,000 in their FB group after last night's broadcast. That's substantial. Not for everyone, granted, but there are obviously lots of folks like me who are going to be there, no matter the date. yeah....guess you could say I'm a fangirl. ;)

I cuss like a sailor when my little girl isn't around but I think you can do a webcast without dropping the f-bomb all the time, it just doesn't feel professionally done to me.

Perhaps the words I am looking for are mainstream and underground. It seems to be an underground themed webcast as opposed to something more mainstream. Something I might expect from underground software pirates, hackers, goth groups, etc. Appearances are everything when you are being scrutinized by outside agencies. Joe seems happy with the format and it is his show but I think with a little time, investment, and some censoring they could appeal to a larger segment of the population and help elevate e-cig usage to the mainstream smoking population.

My bet is there are a lot of people who are turned off of the show right now because of these things (and the boredom factor)

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You've got a valid point there....absolutely....and that's probably exactly why so many of our group here bailed last night. I'm definitely all for keeping a good image in our battle for credibility. That being said, that thing I always had for bad boys must still be there a little bit, for all the good it got me!.....but I get your point, and agree. :thumbs:

I cuss like a sailor when my little girl isn't around but I think you can do a webcast without dropping the f-bomb all the time, it just doesn't feel professionally done to me.

Perhaps the words I am looking for are mainstream and underground. It seems to be an underground themed webcast as opposed to something more mainstream. Something I might expect from underground software pirates, hackers, goth groups, etc. Appearances are everything when you are being scrutinized by outside agencies. Joe seems happy with the format and it is his show but I think with a little time, investment, and some censoring they could appeal to a larger segment of the population and help elevate e-cig usage to the mainstream smoking population.

My bet is there are a lot of people who are turned off of the show right now because of these things (and the boredom factor)

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Same thing here Opal I was hoping for Rainbow Sherbet and got Bubblegum too. The funny thing is I already have a 50ml of Bubblegum. Oh well I like it though so when my 50ml gets a little low I'll just dump the 15ml in it to make it full again. I haven't really vaped much Bubblegum yet. I'll get around to it sooner or later though.
 

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i was represented by a weak ... union. i didn't know quite how bad it was, because i was the one who took care of bizness at my job. the union had a screwy election, that they had to redo. i told the president that i was going to run for vp. he asked me to run for the eboard instead, but he would put me on his ticket.

We have a saying around my house... "There's little better than having a great union, but there's nothing worse than having a :censored: union."

on the eboard, i learned a bit more about how screwy they were. union officers felt they needed to get me off the eboard, so they offered me a job. they hired me, saying i had to resign from the eboard. next up, they gave me the biggst property they had, The Westin Hotel. folks there were pro union, but had gotten screwed big time in the last negotiations. (they were setting me up to fail, so they could get rid of me.)

when the full scope of their incompetence became clear, i went into overdrive. i started studying, asked my sister for help and fired the union's atty from working on any of my houses. he told me that i couldn't do that, because he deliberately re-wrote contract language so that only he could interpret it. i told him that i would rather lose a few cases than be connected to his slimy ....

I was quite young when mom was union stewarding, but I remember many 2am calls to the house... "how much money will it take to shut you up?" "None." *phone slam* (next night) "How about a promotion?" "No." *phone slam* (next night) "We can take care of your kids, you've got two disabled kids..." "You're not really going to bring my kids into this, are you? I didn't think so." *phone slam*

As you found out, dealing with that kind of BS is a huge part of what separates a good rep from a bad one... they *will* try to buy you, they *will* screw with you and give you the run around, and if you cave, or you don't realize what they're up to, you've just made the union useless. The (mass production) bakery where my folks were working at the time did an interesting thing... they paid for labor law and negotiation classes at Michigan State for all their stewards. I think they probably regretted that... don't give my mother free and open access to all she needs to know in one place unless you want her to know it and use it! :lol:

i worked like a banshee from hell. i was able to get more than a dozen letters of understanding during that contract period, that improved working conditions. the HR guy who kicked the union's .... in '93 (who used to refer to me as "the fat guy") was terminated in '95 because i became his his worst nightmare. i won a huge seniority issue for the room attendants and kitchen staff, that we honestly should have lost due to the union conceding the past practice before. i don't concede.

i use the "zipper clause" in the contract, that the union thought worked against them, and used it against the hotel. i began a steady stream of NLRB charges that got the GM fired even before the HR guy, the HR guy getting fired was a peace offering to me.

next, congress past FMLA. i became an expert on it, thanks to Joe Breslin of the Lumberjack's Trust in Oregon. Starwood Corporation tried going head to head with me, but eventually conceded, they simply declared that "if Sambuca says it's FMLA, it's FMLA." with the heavy work and wear and tear on the women in the housekeeping department, FMLA was like winning the lottery.

Absolutely it was. Mom is like that with labor law, I'm like that with the ADA and the Rehab Act of '74 and all the rest - we both get people sent to us all the time asking for the nitty gritty. I'm probably one of the only people in the world who's actually read the entire Affordable Care Act. But it affects me and the people I know (exactly how would take another marathon post to explain), so boning up on it was more than worth my time.

in 1996, the Westin's atty sent word to me that the hotel was dumbfounded by my bargaining committee. i sat their best employees across the table from them and our proposals were all intended to make the hotel work better and be fairer to the employees. we got a good contract, but not good enough for me. in 1999, the most vocal room attendant,Keh (God love her) declared that they just got the best contract that they ever had. i got back everything they lost in '93 (that i hadn't fixed yet), some stuff they lost in the 80s and some stuff they never had before.

i had gotten rid of the worst reps (a few good ones had quit) and the sec treasurer. i got elected as vp in '95. we almost saved the prez, but he fell prey to his "adviser" and ran a really crappy sec treasurer. after negotiations in 1999, i took down the prez, sec treasurer and that advisor. the IU wanted me gone, perhaps worried i'd go after them as well. they paid me well, when they canned me though! (it sucked to be out of the fight, i must admit.)

You would get along great with Mom. :) That's pretty much how her bargaining career went too. When she took a year off to deal with the day to day of having two gimpy kids (therapy and doctor appointments every day for a while there), they elected Dad in her place. She was puzzled by that for years - "Why would they have done that, your father didn't give a crap." Finally, a few years ago, I told her, "Mom... dad's both a very *smart* guy, and a very *quiet* guy. They assumed he'd be asking you for advice."

He didn't... and if any of the guys at work had known him *well*, they would have seen that coming too, lol. (My father does not ask *anyone* for advice *ever*. He called to ask for medical advice once and I nearly dropped the phone in shock. Same goes for when he called to ask how to charge the Ego. That doubled the number of times he's asked for my *input*, let alone *advice*, in my entire lifetime.) Anyway, he gave away the whole store. This was well before FMLA, but mom had negotiated almost identical provisions to what FMLA eventually put into place - under Dad, those went, as did the shop having to pay overtime if they called in an entire shift to run one dough, and and and. I won't go so far as to say that was a factor in the divorce some 13 years later, but I know my mother *never* forgave him.... almost 20 years of hard work as a union steward and Dad flushed it down the toilet in one session. It wasn't intentional sabotage or anything like that... Dad is just not a good one for conflict, so I can picture how it went - "How about this?" "Yeah, okay, whatever, sounds fine."

it seems the that the way the disabled are treated is, in fact, a violation of the ADA. it is a "reasonable accommodation" to let some folks take a lighter course schedule. PERIOD! to not make that concession, violates the ADA. you can show hardship from it.

The biggest problem with the ADA is that it was never meant to be final legislation - even former Sen Tony Coelho and Sen. Kennedy, who wrote it, said that. It was meant to be foot-in-the-door legislation to pave the way for something more concrete, and as such, it's pretty mealy-mouthed. If I say to a business owner, "hey man, you're the only store that carries X for 50 miles, and I need X, so you need to put in a ramp," and he says "how about I just bring X to you and we conduct this transaction outside?"... technically, he can argue that's a "reasonable" accommodation. It's not reasonable to *me*, and if I took it to court, a *judge* would not find it reasonable, since there are federal funds available to put a ramp on your place of business and all I'm asking for is a ramp.... but there's the rub. At the end of the day, to get that ramp in, I'd have to have the time, energy, and money and/or representation to take it to court.

That's the gap between the text of the law and the actual day to day of being able to enforce it, and it's all down to that weasel word "reasonable." That was my school's excuse too, "hey, crawl up the stairs, there, you've been reasonably accommodated!" Of course it's not, but what was I going to do, take it to court? (Why yes, I was. Unfortunately, life intervened. Long story.) But there was certainly no way to *quickly* rebut "crawl up the stairs," and even if I had sued, if you have enough money you can just settle everything out of court... which is what that school does. I'd like to think I wouldn't have taken a settlement, but as a working class kid who just wanted to go to school for god's sake, if they'd offered me $10 mill (their going rate) to go away? God, that's enough money to make sure my sister would be okay for her whole life, buy my mom a nice house, buy my dad another Harley, pump up both of their retirement funds, go to school, and still have enough to stick plenty in *my* retirement fund. It would have been sorely, sorely tempting to say the least.

Another classic example of the gap between the language of the law and how it's actually used is when I went to a movie theater with some friends one day. I was visiting in Boston, and older cities tend to be less accessible just because the *buildings* are older, so I called first. "I use a wheelchair, are you accessible?" "Yep, come on down!" "Okay, so there are no stairs at all to get to any of the theaters? None of them have stairs? And no stairs to get to bathrooms? Are there *any* stairs in *any* publicly accessible areas of your building?" "Nope! We're accessible." (I always ask more than once and in a few different ways, because a lot of places are what we jokingly call "pretend accessible", i.e. totally accessible, oh except for the stairs to get in, or the stairs to get to the can, or...)

So we get to the place, buy the tickets, go in, no one says a word... but we can't seem to find the particular theater the movie we bought tickets for is playing in.

"Oh, it's upstairs. I'm sorry, there's no elevator."
"Well... that's a problem for me. I did call before I came."
"I know, but I didn't know you wanted to see *that* movie."
"I did ask if *any* of the theaters had stairs... but okay, these things happen. Can you refund our tickets please?"
"No, all sales are final, but you can see (completely different movie), that's on the ground level."
"... I don't want to see (completely different movie). I paid to see X movie, and if I can't see X movie, then I would like my money back."
"Well, you could crawl up the stairs..."
My friends: "OH GOD, JUST GIVE US THE REFUND!"
(they know that phrase is like a red flag to a bull at this stage, and were afraid I'd cause a scene... me, cause a scene? Naaah. ;) )

Anyway, the point is, from the movie theater's perspective, hey, we're not *barring* you from the place, you can just see a *different* movie! No one said you can't come in! We welcome all comers!

From my perspective, of course, the situation is entirely different.

And that's why the ADA is a broken law, and it was broken from the moment it was written. If a business doesn't feel like complying, or doesn't understand the spirit of the law, there are zero consequences a disabled person *happens* to notice and then *happens* to have the resources (not just money, but time and energy, which are at much higher premiums for most of us) to sue. No one's doublechecking for compliance, explaining why compliance is important, or reminding businesses that compliance benefits them financially. After all, if I can get in, I can spend money, but that ramp isn't *mine* - if I can get in, so can the mom with the stroller, the employee who broke his ankle, and the rich old guy whose knees aren't quite up to stairs anymore.


if the "goal" it to get folks off of ssi/ssdi, then it is a wicked failure. the quicker folks can complete their degrees enables them to join the workforce, so...what's wrong with that picture?

Indeed. I'm glad you can see it. I spend so much time arguing with people who can't see that (in the process of trying to fix it) that sometimes I start to wonder if I'm the one who's crazy. ;)

with your brains, talent and charisma, nothing can stop you. watch some Dr Who, and change the way you are viewing the problem. sometimes you greatest obstacles can be used in your favor.

Too right. And thanks for the compliment! One of the things I've been trying to do in my "off time" is train up some younger gimps in advocacy. A big reason that the Disability Rights Movement has stalled so many times is because since the 60s, we've been trying to do it like the Civil Rights Movement - find one or two charismatic leaders and rally around them. The problem with that is, we're all disabled... we die. A lot. And since we're not Time Lords, one leader will often spend 20 or 30 years trying to *get to* the point where people know them and are paying attention... and then they get sick and die. Or at best, they just don't have the energy to keep going with advocacy, because their aide that helps them out of bed in the morning quit, or because the VA is jerking them around, or because their chair finally died and now it's going to take 6 months to get a new one, etc. In other words, the very problems we're trying to solve can also keep us from being *able* to advocate.

I think the solution is instead of having *one* Justin Dart or *one* Harriet McBryde Johnson, we need to have *lots* of them at the same time.. and I think the best way to do that is to teach very young disabled people (teens and very early twenties, at the oldest) how to be advocates and activists. That way *when* one of them has to step away for a while (because it will be a when), the whole movement doesn't fall apart and have to start all over again.

Not to get all political (too late, I'm sure), but I'm working toward trying to get Teddy Kennedy Jrs ear. Not to have him lead anything (though disability activism is his thing), but to pitch him the above problem and solution. There's only one of *me*, too, after all, so the more people I can get to understand that the key is to train *many* leaders and not to wait on one, the better.

I'm not waiting on a Kennedy to do this though. I'm already *doing* it... it's just that a Kennedy would be a great signal booster, so I've got the one with the vested interest who's already a disability rights lawyer on my radar. :)

sorry to rant, buddy. just make sure you know know that you are a total joy to have around here! you've got brains, talent, passion, wit and charm. so it's not like you don't have any ammo! i haven't met too many folks that could face you in a showdown! they wouldn't have enough tools, dude. (they'd be "handicapped" compared to you. not a fair fight, by any means. i'd like to see that!)

No worries, I didn't take it as a rant, and I appreciate the ego boost and the moral support. It's always a good thing to have more people in your corner. :)

btw, how's TDay dinner coming? :p

Coming along good. Pumpkin bread is done (I'll be making more before Thursday, that was just a dry run to tweak the recipe), cranberry sauce is done (that'll keep fine in the freezer for a couple days), pie crusts are done (same), most of the mise en place done. Herb butter is almost done, taking a break now so I don't end up not able to move my fingers tomorrow (So. Much. Mincing!). I'll probably go ahead and throw the brine together tonight just so I don't have to mess around with it later.

When I get home from spirometry on tuesday (after a nap), I'll do the pies and the apple john, more pumpkin bread, and probably get the stuffing started. Drop the bird in the drink wednesday-ish... it's thawing at the moment, but it should be ready to go by then. That'll just leave the champ and finishing off the turkey for the big day. I'll probably pick some kale out of the garden and do some kind of wilted kale with parmesan thing too.

So yeah, it's on schedule. Are you? :)
 

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and that would be, of course, because they both have cinnamon in them! drat! I really wanted to try pumpkin spice too....hope they'll be back soon. I'm keep'n the faith. Dark Chocolate and Whipped Cream sounds pretty tasty too!! I have milk choc. maybe I'll do some of that with whipped cream today....

Weirdly, neither Pumpkin Spice nor Pumpkin Cookie were on the official yanked list... everything that is was pulled off the site completely. They won't come up in a search. Both the pumpkin ones will, they're just OOS. I don't know if that means they don't have cinnamon but MBV did a "soft pull" of those anyway, or if they just happen to be OOS at the same time (they were OOS before the announcement was made, so it's entirely possible that they're just out of stock, in general). So keep the faith, roonies, you'll get to try them some day. :)
 

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Same thing here Opal I was hoping for Rainbow Sherbet and got Bubblegum too. The funny thing is I already have a 50ml of Bubblegum. Oh well I like it though so when my 50ml gets a little low I'll just dump the 15ml in it to make it full again. I haven't really vaped much Bubblegum yet. I'll get around to it sooner or later though.

The bubblegum is good...but mix it with a tad of grape, cherry or strawberry and yummy!!
 

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You've got a valid point there....absolutely....and that's probably exactly why so many of our group here bailed last night. I'm definitely all for keeping a good image in our battle for credibility. That being said, that thing I always had for bad boys must still be there a little bit, for all the good it got me!.....but I get your point, and agree. :thumbs:

Lol. Yep. Once upon a time I was the bad boy. I was the geekiest non-geek there was and had two totally different groups of friends I juggled back and forth all through Jr high and high school. :) now that I think about it though, I was a bad boy geek too..

Sent from my Astromech in a galaxy far, far away. The force is with me. so is Mr. chicken.
 
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