MTL Temp control...

[P3ch3]

All my life I have been a wattage user, started with TC capable mods, used some factory coils there, then I did moved on to mechs and other mods, forgot about Temp control, so the deal here is that I got a new spool of fresh wire, mtl wire by coilology, is Stainless steel, since this wire is capable of temp control… I started having some ideas of trying temp control on my loved asmodus colossal + Ammit MTL RTA!



Any thoughts or advises are always welcome!

 

[greek mule]

Try 6.5 wraps 3mm ID spaced coil(that's 0.8 ohm)

 

[Mordacai]

P3ch3, you should be fine. Finding TCR may be a little trial and error as it can be between 88 to 92. Then max temperature of 250°C.

And if you have a wattage setting, this is like a preheat and is the initial wattage sent to the coil until it reaches temperature and throttles back. So the higher you set it, the warmer the vape. And lower, cooler.

 

[bombastinator]

I’ve found temp control works best on DNA boards, though it’s slowly getting better elsewhere. TC is nice if you can get it to work right. Less harmful emissions (though afaik it’s near zero to begin with) you’ll never get a dry hit because the mod will shut off before the coil burns so longer wick life and some reduced coil build up.

The problem is getting it to work right though. Every mods behavior on every coil is a bit different and frequently requires a certain and highly variable amount of fiddling about.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Agreed, it is why I gave up on TC.

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The problem is getting it to work right though. Every mods behavior on every coil is a bit different and frequently requires a certain and highly variable amount of fiddling about.

 

[bombastinator]

Agreed, it is why I gave up on TC.

It’s why I didn’t bother to explore it much till replay came out. Replay works well, but it’s only available on new DNA chips, and I found that on DNA mods you don’t really need replay to begin with.

 

[P3ch3]

well, reading again comments just flashed me back the main reason why i stopped using it, guess also my little mod isn't that advanced such DNA boards... so,
forgot to bring vape tools so might be building tonight since al my RTA's arent tasting that well, im using nicsalt, so less than 1.0 ohm wont work, i have tried nicsalt on .85ohm coils and tastes like fire, total throat killer

Regards.,

 

[Mordacai]

P3ch3, I wonder if Nic Salts are different when used with TC?

As I use freebase with TC, so it's something I wouldn't really know. But it's something worth finding out.

 

[tdman77]

TC really requires a mod with a good chip. I have a Paranormal and it is a dream vape. Then on the other hand both my GeekVape Aegis mods sound like a 2stroke weed eater running out of gas when in TC. My Proton is the only other mod that I even attempt to vape in TC. For MTL I like to run a SS316L 6/7wrap 28ga 2.5mm coil at 430-440F. Also found TC on my Topside is pretty spot on. Running either a Profile with SS mesh or a Krma with 24ga SS316L on it is working very nicely.

 

[tdman77]

P3ch3, I wonder if Nic Salts are different when used with TC?

As I use freebase with TC, so it's something I wouldn't really know. But it's something worth finding out.

I have used nic-salts for MTL in TC and found it works just fine. Got some Diner Lady 30mg in my Prarnormal/KF Lite right now. The only difference I have with either nic-salts or free base nic in TC is the nic level. 15mg free base hits me about the same as 30mg nic-salt.

 

[Mordacai]

tdman77, I was thinking that the hit and feel would be different. Thanks for confirming that.

 

[bombastinator]

P3ch3, I wonder if Nic Salts are different when used with TC?

As I use freebase with TC, so it's something I wouldn't really know. But it's something worth finding out.

Different in what way?

 

[Mordacai]

bombastinator, I was thinking that TC would affect their delivery. As in harshness and of course heat, even though Nic Salts are reported to be smoother than freebase.

 

[tdman77]

The only difference I feel would be that the nic-salt gives me a nic buzz pretty quick. Like in the morning when I first vape, 3-5 puffs and I have to sit down with nic-salt. Where free base just keeps my cravings down without giving me the head rush.

 

[Mordacai]

tdman77, ah so you're talking about the absorption rate. Yes, Nic Salts are renowned for that as they're quickly absorbed into the system.

Do you DTL or MTL Nic Salts?

And what mg/ml are you using? As may need to drop the level a little to get the Nic fix without the dizziness, as it's not much fun when the ground jumps up and hits you.

 

[tdman77]

@Mordacai I only do nic-salts MTL. Just the first vape of the day does it hit hard. Kind of like when I use to somke cigs. Mainly only use nic-salts when I am out and only want to take a toke or two, in MTL attys or pods. Other wise I am doing 3mg in a RDA squonker at home.

 

[greek mule]

And if you have a wattage setting, this is like a preheat and is the initial wattage sent to the coil until it reaches temperature and throttles back. So the higher you set it, the warmer the vape. And lower, cooler.

The higher the initial wattage the faster the coil reaches the selected temperature.
Warm/cool vapor has to do with temperature setting.(Max temperature set)

 

[Mordacai]

The higher the initial wattage the faster the coil reaches the selected temperature.
Warm/cool vapor has to do with temperature setting.(Max temperature set)

Therefore it can be perceived as warmer as the coil can reach temperature sooner without any ramp up, but I did also say power is throttled when desired temperature has been reached.

 

[bombastinator]

Therefore it can be perceived as warmer as the coil can reach temperature sooner without any ramp up, but I did also say power is throttled when desired temperature has been reached.

It does seem to have just a bit of ramp up. The second vape of a chain vape is tastier than the first. Maybe it’s just that there’s so much wire in there.

 

[Mordacai]

Aye bombastinator, more mass will require more energy.