MTL vs DTL
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MTL here, works for me. In high school I started smoking with a pipe, so I've had my days of clouds.
While it's true that a MTL vape at 60 watts gets a 'little' hot, you can DL pretty much anything. A lot of people also still believe sub ohm setups are only for making clouds.
Right now I'm DL vaping a DoggyStyle with a 4 wrap 28 gauge SS coil at 0.5 ohms. I can assure you that at 13.5 watts I am not chucking clouds. My juice is 100% PG, but even with 100% VG it would be a very low key vape. Normally I vape this setup at around 15 watts, but I've got 1.5 MG of nic in it and I'm perfectly happy at the lower power.
Vaping today is not the same as 5 or more years ago. Mods, atties and wire have all changed giving us a whole new set of possible setups we can vape. It would not take much for a MTL vape to out-cloud mine. Damn those nasty cloud chasers !!
That sounds like restricted DL to me. I actually vape DL quite regularly. I do agree that some modern MTL devices can produce quite reasonable cloud sizes. My currently DL vape is a .36ohm squonk @30w. Still produces clouds maybe 3 times the size of my .9ohm berserker mini @8w. I suspect if I put in a dual exotic coil at .2ohm and ran my wattage up to 50-60w I would make bigger clouds yet. I see no reason to though.While it's true that a MTL vape at 60 watts gets a 'little' hot, you can DL pretty much anything. A lot of people also still believe sub ohm setups are only for making clouds.
Right now I'm DL vaping a DoggyStyle with a 4 wrap 28 gauge SS coil at 0.5 ohms. I can assure you that at 13.5 watts I am not chucking clouds. My juice is 100% PG, but even with 100% VG it would be a very low key vape. Normally I vape this setup at around 15 watts, but I've got 1.5 MG of nic in it and I'm perfectly happy at the lower power.
Vaping today is not the same as 5 or more years ago. Mods, atties and wire have all changed giving us a whole new set of possible setups we can vape. It would not take much for a MTL vape to out-cloud mine. Damn those nasty cloud chasers !!
Yup. And the term sub-ohm also should be retired. It used to mean something else, back when we only had set voltage output batteries, 3.7v usually unless folks were stacking batteries, and one had to build a sub-ohm (literally under 1Ω) coil to get a more powerful vape. With the introduction of vv and then vw mods, the whole term sub-ohm became meaningless and utterly confusing. I'm a die-hard MTL, low wattage, low cloud vaper and I use plenty of sub-ohm coils.
Not to mention TC vaping--almost every TC coil is sub-ohm because of the very low resistance of wires used in temperature control mode.
I do both MTL and DL. I also build AND use drop in coils, internal and external batteries, TC and VW mods, multiple nic levels and pg/vg ratios.
I just can’t seem to settle into one particular vape style. I want to try it every which way.
But I don’t get any grief about it here.
I just can’t seem to settle into one particular vape style. I want to try it every which way.
But I don’t get any grief about it here.
I've seen some say you shouldn't go below .7ohms on mtl atomizer. Is there a reason for that?
It used to be that anything under 1 ohm was sub ohm not MTL. That seems to have moved to more like .7. I could see it being a thing. Low ohm coils tend to require more air and MTL stuff generally allows less airflow. Could still work with a sufficiently small coil but it’s going to be coil and atty dependent. Maybe one of those rules where it helps avoid possible troubles rather than being a hard and fast thing.
I'm a MTL guy 95% of the time. I have DTL setups that I use at home just for different flavours (tobaccos only for MTL). I enjoy both, but there's no way I could have quit smoking (or continue to not smoke 3 years later) if DTL was my only option. DTL just isn't nearly as satisfying for me as MTL. That's just me.
I haven't really seen much hate between the two camps, though. But, I've also moved away from keeping up with "things" online. I've found a setup(s) that work for me and I've grown frustrated, and weary, with companies who release something new every few days and proclaim it to be the "next best thing" when, in fact, it's nothing different than a mod/tank that was released 2 years ago.
Anyway... starting to ramble now....
I haven't really seen much hate between the two camps, though. But, I've also moved away from keeping up with "things" online. I've found a setup(s) that work for me and I've grown frustrated, and weary, with companies who release something new every few days and proclaim it to be the "next best thing" when, in fact, it's nothing different than a mod/tank that was released 2 years ago.
Anyway... starting to ramble now....
That all depends on the characteristics of the coil and what your building objective is. For any type of vaping, be it MTL or DTL, where a variable wattage device is used, the resistance has little importance….up to a certain extent. Personally I think the mass of the coil is more important than resistance. Higher mass requires higher power to achieve a desired temperature within a specific time. Also requires more air and or time to cool that coil.
If comparing the same gauge of wire, higher resistance equals higher mass which requires higher power. For the same dimension coil, say 5 wraps on a 3mm ID, decreasing the gauge does decrease the resistance and in turn increases the mass which requires more power to achieve a desired temp. Increasing the gauge for the same dimension coil increases the resistance, decreases mass which in turn requires less power – however, also decreases surface area which is also an important factor.
There is always a compromise – our goal is to try and find a happy medium that suits our style of vaping.
I have no idea why people say that, ive always built my mtl coils at around .6 -.7 using nic 80 super fine wire and fire them between 9w - 14 and it works great on mtl tanks with smaller decks. Ive even had em as low as.5.5 and they have been fine. Prefer them to 1.Ohm coils that apparently everyone should be building for MTL.
Id say anything from.55 is fine on a mtl tank on a similar wattage to what i run providing you have a electronic mod and any modern battery.
It was somewhere in the middle of my nicotine addiction that I realised there was an invincible desire to ingest a relevant quantity of the compound....whether it was via MTL or DL I didn't much care.
I'm DL because the MTL I started with was neither very efficient or giving me the throat hit and quantity of vapor I needed to mimic my smoking habit. Today with pretty good devices and high strength salt nic I can do both and be satisfied.
I'm DL because the MTL I started with was neither very efficient or giving me the throat hit and quantity of vapor I needed to mimic my smoking habit. Today with pretty good devices and high strength salt nic I can do both and be satisfied.
Yes, there's a reason they say it. The same reason some people say you shouldn't vape because it's worse than smoking: they heard it somewhere.
I mean, think about it. Can MTL atomizer even really be conclusively defined? There may be an atomizer out there for which it would cause a problem, but that's a pretty broad statement. Based on recommendations I read here, I just kept reducing diameter and number of wraps until I hit my sweet spot. It keeps my temps in at a "safe" level as well. One less wrap, and it's no good to me. You just saw some detailed explanations that can point to why you might want to consider certain things, but there's no definitive ohm limit for MTL or DTL.
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