They should always come off at the same voltage, and best BELOW 4.2v, that should be the maximum, anything more is starting into the "overcharged" (damaging) territory.
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They should always come off at the same voltage, and best BELOW 4.2v, that should be the maximum, anything more is starting into the "overcharged" (damaging) territory.
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So, I'm honestly curious about this topic.
I've used a lot of rechargeable lithium ion batteries: RC cars, laptops, mobile phones, camera flashes (big battery packs and normal ones before I realized NiMH batteries charged capacitors more quickly), portable audio recording rigs, etc.. I've probably used more NiMH batteries than IMR (or other Li-ion) but they've definitely been around…and it's been, probably 10 years since more than 2 days have gone by without at least two on my person……and I don't think 12 hours have gone by in at least that long that I haven't had one in my pocket.
Why are vapers the only ones seriously concerned about batteries? Everyone treats them with something resembling respect (except for the vast majority of the millions of people with laptops or cel phones), but no one else freaks out the way vapers seem to.
Why is that? What am I missing?
I've used a lot of rechargeable lithium ion batteries: RC cars, laptops, mobile phones, camera flashes (big battery packs and normal ones before I realized NiMH batteries charged capacitors more quickly), portable audio recording rigs, etc.. I've probably used more NiMH batteries than IMR (or other Li-ion) but they've definitely been around…and it's been, probably 10 years since more than 2 days have gone by without at least two on my person……and I don't think 12 hours have gone by in at least that long that I haven't had one in my pocket.
Why are vapers the only ones seriously concerned about batteries? Everyone treats them with something resembling respect (except for the vast majority of the millions of people with laptops or cel phones), but no one else freaks out the way vapers seem to.
Why is that? What am I missing?
Well, not in this case (in a purse) but maybe because for one thing, they are always near our faces when they're in use. That alone could give one reason to pause.........
Vaping will put your batteries under a strain not seen in cell phones and toothbrushes. With an average resistance atty / carto you can be drawing 2 amps regularly and with a dual coil over 3 amps. Most applications do not put as much strain, I'm not sure about R/C (don't need another hobby..
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I've been using mostly NiMh batteries for vaping lately because they are easier to source, cheaper and will take more abuse in storage. Being a lower density charge, even if they fail they don't have as much ooomph to cause damage.
)I've been using mostly NiMh batteries for vaping lately because they are easier to source, cheaper and will take more abuse in storage. Being a lower density charge, even if they fail they don't have as much ooomph to cause damage.
Wow, I'm glad nobody here got hurt. I thought I'd mention a few things about AW, just for the heck of it. Some people seem to think that AW is a maufacturer, it isn't. AW is a dealer, they use quality panasonic batteries which have a pcb placed on them and are then heat-shrinked and then have the AW label placed on them. Unfortunately, this makes them quite easy to fake. If a reseller is getting their batteries from anyone other than AW, it's probably a fake. If the price seems too good to be true, it probably is.
For what it's worth here is his Dealer's Thread on the CandlePowerForums Marketplace.
AW's LiIon Batteries Sales Thread *Part 12*
For what it's worth here is his Dealer's Thread on the CandlePowerForums Marketplace.
AW's LiIon Batteries Sales Thread *Part 12*
I'm just glad it was an IMR and not an ICR. Sometimes the extra cost is worth it! Wouldnt want a standard LiPo to go thermal in my lap while in a car . 0.o
Glad to hear you are not hurt.
Glad to hear you are not hurt.
So are phones, digital cameras, camera flashes, nose hair trimmers, shavers, and loads of other things. Some of them work on NiMH, which are supposed to fail in a safer way…but not all of them.
I don't know of a good meter for my iPhone off the top of my head, but my MBP is currently drawing 12.4W on a 10V battery, so just over an amp surfing the net. It's a 6000(ish) mAh stack of 440mAh IxR cells (not sure what chemistry they're using), and it does have protection circuits……but, still, not trivial. Starting 5 youtube videos at once still has the processor at 78% free and jumps the power consumption above 24W. And it wasn't running particularly hot, drawing >2 A.
When I do big audio rendering stuff (lots of virtual instruments and processing) it definitely gets a lot hotter. I wouldn't be surprised to see it drawing a lot more. For several minutes at a time, multiple times an hour. And I do that with it on my lap until it gets too hot or if I happen to be near an external monitor.
And that was with nothing running off usb/fw power. I coudl easily see it drawing upwards of 3-4 A for minutes at a time without me doing anything out of the ordinary.
Laptops easily draw as much as our vaporizers, probably more in some circumstances, and no one thinks twice about hundreds of load cycles or putting them on their laps or using chargers with frayed wires (well, not before they stop working).
I'm not saying you guys are wrong. Not at all…I've never used a mod, and I don't think I've ever used a device that didn't have some kind of protection circuits in them…other than battery packs for camera flashes…and the biggest concern there is that you're intentionally over-volting the flash so the capacitors will charge faster, which will shorten their life span.
Essentially, it's the same thing as stacking batteries in your mod to run 6v+ instead of 3.7, except you're charging capacitors with the circuit closed permanently instead of just when you're holding the "vape" button……and if those caps blow, there's a lot more power stored in them that gets discharged right into your face. Fortunately, the few times I've seen it happen, it was on a stand and I wasn't looking straight at it.
I eventually stopped doing that when I stopped shooting in a way that needed it, but the few stories I heard about batteries self-destructing were primarily just a financial burden and always came from using packs that were obviously damaged.
Sorry I got off on a tangent.
I'm just honestly wondering what's different about vaping that makes people concerned about batteries that surround them anyway while the rest of the world seems to be content to just do what they need to do. It's starting to scare me a bit to the point that I'm considering either not getting into Mods until I can get a Kick with it or building a protection device. I certainly don't want something to blow up in my face, but I can't figure out why vapers seem to be the only ones really concerned.
Is there something fundamentally different about mods that makes them more likely to cause a short or some other fault?
Is it because there's nothing in them to fail safe?
Is it because vapers buy the cheapest batteries?
Is it because the chargers are badly made/regulated and it's too easy to over-charge with them?
Ummm, YES, YES and ahhh YES!!! Summed up beautifully !!!
Your laptop has room and safety circuits developed over years of studying batteries burning and melting them. The plastic case burns and vents the flames. Now put the same into a sealed metal tube, (shape of a pipe bomb) with inadequate vents and safety circuits, and hold it next to your face......no thanks.
There are safe vape mods being made and sold, but anybody with a hacksaw, soldering iron and a 510 connector can make a mod.
Yeah, that's why I asked the person with the actual problem this question.
I'm still confused about whether the battery was IN the Provari mini or loose in the purse. Did it physically explode or just go into a high heat condition (which is what usually happens with IMR)?
The Provari utilizes a sacrificial spring on the cathode end to press the battery against the positive contact. When overcurrent occurs, that spring relaxes under heat, compresses down, and removes the battery from the load. In addition that that, it has a 16 second cutoff that prevents accidental or extended button presses from continuing. The third protection that a Provari provides is overcurrent detection in the electronics that cutoff if there's a short or a low resistance overload.
I'm thinking that this battery must have been loose in the purse and came in contact with something that caused a shorted condition at the battery. That will produce a high heat condition and battery failure. Li-Mn IMR batts don't usually explode. The 18650 IMR can take up to 10 amps short term without failure.
One of my co-workers opened a pack of two 9v alkaline batts one day, installed one in his voltmeter and threw the open pack in his toolbag. We noticed a hot smell, looked around, and the 9v in the tool bag was smoking and sizzling. He grabbed it to toss into a trash can and burned a large blister in his palm. The contacts had shorted on a 10mm open end wrench.
Any battery can go south when shorted and create heat or explosion.
The Provari utilizes a sacrificial spring on the cathode end to press the battery against the positive contact. When overcurrent occurs, that spring relaxes under heat, compresses down, and removes the battery from the load. In addition that that, it has a 16 second cutoff that prevents accidental or extended button presses from continuing. The third protection that a Provari provides is overcurrent detection in the electronics that cutoff if there's a short or a low resistance overload.
I'm thinking that this battery must have been loose in the purse and came in contact with something that caused a shorted condition at the battery. That will produce a high heat condition and battery failure. Li-Mn IMR batts don't usually explode. The 18650 IMR can take up to 10 amps short term without failure.
One of my co-workers opened a pack of two 9v alkaline batts one day, installed one in his voltmeter and threw the open pack in his toolbag. We noticed a hot smell, looked around, and the 9v in the tool bag was smoking and sizzling. He grabbed it to toss into a trash can and burned a large blister in his palm. The contacts had shorted on a 10mm open end wrench.
Any battery can go south when shorted and create heat or explosion.
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I believe it was a loose battery in a battery box, not overcharged that went into IMR thermal runaway, battery failure with nothing near to short it out. An internal short caused by ????? would be the only thing that makes sense, and should be rare with an AW IMR treated and maintained properly.
I think a large part is that nicotine is a drug and for one reason or another a large portion of nicotine users are self-medicating. One of those reasons is anxiety. Look at all the other paranoia that's spread around here (some deserved, most not).
Oh yeah, I'm definately self medicating. Don't know about you guys but I have an obsessive disorder. Maybe that's why I'm on ECF & vaping all the time???
1) Great post! TY!
2) I think peeps are worried because, say what you like, the batteries/stuff made in China and sent over doesn't instill us with full confidence. That's why I moved to JC juice as well. Don't want to start a flame war about Chinese/vendor QC just a point. And, as vapors, we have these batteries on us or in chargers 24/7. Not like listening to some Am portable radio in the woods on a camping trip.
3) My new 1300 X2s come tomorrow and I was just gonna toss one in a pocket. Thanks to this post I'm going to Amazon and get some cool cigar case just for some protection. TY!
2) I think peeps are worried because, say what you like, the batteries/stuff made in China and sent over doesn't instill us with full confidence. That's why I moved to JC juice as well. Don't want to start a flame war about Chinese/vendor QC just a point. And, as vapors, we have these batteries on us or in chargers 24/7. Not like listening to some Am portable radio in the woods on a camping trip.
3) My new 1300 X2s come tomorrow and I was just gonna toss one in a pocket. Thanks to this post I'm going to Amazon and get some cool cigar case just for some protection. TY!
I have panic disorder. I restarted cigarettes after about 2 years without because it got bad. If I can worry about going a mile to Walmart I can certainly worry about the low odds of a battery going thermal.
If it wasn't for nicotine in the morning calming panic vs setting the tone for a very bad day I'd probably be at 0mg by now.
Ok well I have read all this stuff here about these aw 18350 batteries failing can at least one person here upload a picture of one of these batteries ?
Let's keep this in prospective.. it was a battery, not a PV that this happened to. Even though it was a battery that was MEANT to go in a PV..It really has nothing to do with vaping. People buy and use rechargeable batteries for many other things than vaping devices. At work, we use various devices (I work in a hospital OR) that uses AA batts, I usually take the batts out of that device when we're finished with it (there's 8 AA's and they are usually hardly used) anyway, I pretty much always have loose AA's in the bottom of my purse and at least 50 or more in a drawer here at home. Back when we used cd players and my son's gameboys took batteries, I usually had rechargables sitting in a charger much of the time.... and they stayed there in that charger till I needed fresh batts for whatever I needed them for. From what I understand, ALL batteries can malfunction.. cell phone batts, phone batts, any batt. Yes, it's scary and I hope it never happens to me but I can't live my life being paranoid of things like this.. I use caution and proper handling and hope for the best.
I don't usually take spare batts when I go out. but when I do, I carry them in a plastic battery case. I don't know if this is safer or not.
I don't usually take spare batts when I go out. but when I do, I carry them in a plastic battery case. I don't know if this is safer or not.
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Could it have simply been static electricity? The plastic mouthpiece rubbing off the battery along with the carto inside the case?
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