The ones here have signs "no under 18" but Ive never seen them actually card anyone.
My B&M started checking ID's!
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IDK, It is a little extreme but logical. I dont vape around my little one, just like I didn't smoke around her.
It's not a matter of if checking ID's for PV's, mod's, and juice sales becomes law, it's a matter of when. It will happen, it's inevitable.
That being said, I don't honestly see how you can label an employee or a store owner as being incompetent for checking your ID, regardless of how you appear or how old you look. Just as with cigarette and alcohol sales, everyone should be ID'ed. It doesn't matter if you're 18 or 80. If that upsets you, I guess that store will lose your business or you'll deal with it, one or the other.
When it comes to alcohol sales, they setup sting operations. If you, as an employee, don't check the ID of someone requesting alcohol in any amount, whether it's at a liquor store or restaurant, you can face up to a $750 fine or 15-Days license suspension the first time and a $1,500 fine or 30 days license suspension the second time - get caught a third time and you won't have to worry about it anymore.
On top of the fine, you also get slapped with a misdemeanor citation and have to go to court. So since both of those jobs require that you have a license to serve and/or sale, you're now out 2-4 weeks of pay or out of a job for the duration of the suspension. All that because I didn't check and verify your age?
When it comes to cigarette sales, the fines are $100 to well over $1,000 and you get a misdemeanor for that as well. Not worth it.
I hardly consider not wanting to put your job or finances on the line as being incompetent.
That being said, I don't honestly see how you can label an employee or a store owner as being incompetent for checking your ID, regardless of how you appear or how old you look. Just as with cigarette and alcohol sales, everyone should be ID'ed. It doesn't matter if you're 18 or 80. If that upsets you, I guess that store will lose your business or you'll deal with it, one or the other.
When it comes to alcohol sales, they setup sting operations. If you, as an employee, don't check the ID of someone requesting alcohol in any amount, whether it's at a liquor store or restaurant, you can face up to a $750 fine or 15-Days license suspension the first time and a $1,500 fine or 30 days license suspension the second time - get caught a third time and you won't have to worry about it anymore.
On top of the fine, you also get slapped with a misdemeanor citation and have to go to court. So since both of those jobs require that you have a license to serve and/or sale, you're now out 2-4 weeks of pay or out of a job for the duration of the suspension. All that because I didn't check and verify your age?
When it comes to cigarette sales, the fines are $100 to well over $1,000 and you get a misdemeanor for that as well. Not worth it.
I hardly consider not wanting to put your job or finances on the line as being incompetent.
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Yep, I know a guy who got laid off from a job at a pizza place because he didn't check an ID on the sting. He came out for a drink order, they ordered beer, and then quickly ordered food before he could ask. But, at the end of the day, the beer got to the table before any ID's were shown.
Sort of a side subject but do they actually have to see an id or can they simply ask the purchaser if they are over 18?
I ask because here in South Carolina, the convenience store I go to most often doesn't ask to see id, they ask if I'm over 18. (I'm 53
.) I asked them about it and they explained they were trained to 1) ask everyone and 2) that they are not held liable if someone lies to them. If it's an underage buyer who lies about his/her age, the store is off the hook (in terms of liability). Even in a sting operation, the buyer is not allowed to lie (that's what they told me).
I ask because here in South Carolina, the convenience store I go to most often doesn't ask to see id, they ask if I'm over 18. (I'm 53
.) I asked them about it and they explained they were trained to 1) ask everyone and 2) that they are not held liable if someone lies to them. If it's an underage buyer who lies about his/her age, the store is off the hook (in terms of liability). Even in a sting operation, the buyer is not allowed to lie (that's what they told me).
Sort of a side subject but do they actually have to see an id or can they simply ask the purchaser if they are over 18?
I ask because here in South Carolina, the convenience store I go to most often doesn't ask to see id, they ask if I'm over 18. (I'm 53
Sounds like state laws. Technically, anything not in the constitution is left up to state law.
Legally, they are to check for an ID and validate the birth date. If it's valid, you''re good to go. If it's expired, you're not legally allowed to sale. It's like getting pulled over by a police officer, an expired ID is not a valid ID unless your state has some weird law that allows them to be used.
The only time someone would be "off the hook" so to speak, is in the case of a Fake ID. If you can't tell it's a fake ID and the details on the Fake ID match the description of the person you're checking the ID of, then you aren't liable for the sale.
If you look at the ID, don't pay attention to the birth date and then they ask you for the birth date and you can't tell them, you're busted.
The only time someone would be "off the hook" so to speak, is in the case of a Fake ID. If you can't tell it's a fake ID and the details on the Fake ID match the description of the person you're checking the ID of, then you aren't liable for the sale.
If you look at the ID, don't pay attention to the birth date and then they ask you for the birth date and you can't tell them, you're busted.
Sort of a side subject but do they actually have to see an id or can they simply ask the purchaser if they are over 18?
I ask because here in South Carolina, the convenience store I go to most often doesn't ask to see id, they ask if I'm over 18. (I'm 53
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Only one I know of that actually checks everyone is Magical Vapors.It's a solid step in letting everyone know that they can be responsible.
However, I am sure some people can think of some negative side, but I was just wondering if anyone else had a B&M that actually checks.
Must be. I notice a few from your state insisting everyone must be checked. No state I've lived in has such a ridiculous law. Then again, it is TN, lol.
Actually the FDA trumps state laws, it has nothing to do with TN, GA or any other state for that matter. The FDA sets mandated rules that the states have to follow. The states can either follow those rules to a tee or adapt more, but not less restrictive laws if they so choose.
The FDA requires that anyone that appears under the age of 27 who attempts to purchase any tobacco product be ID'ed. States can stick to that, or require that the age limit not apply and require everyone to be carded.
Independent shops, such as B&M's are required to follow that rule, or adapt a higher age limit and card everyone as well and the state is expected to enforce it and they do, which is the purpose of sting operations.
The sting operations require that you be able to tell the operative the date of birth, if you can't, you obviously weren't paying attention and when they flag you, there's no saying "well I didn't know the law."
Simply because someone doesn't card you doesn't mean the law doesn't exist. What it does mean, rather, what it does show, is that the employee who doesn't card you doesn't really care about his or her job, or is ignorant of the law, which is no exception to the law.
It's a good policy. If I owned a B&M I would make everyone ID and not allow children in. The possibility of this becoming a legal requirement makes it obvious to me. I remember getting carded when I was trying to buy a lighter once.
I get asked all the time for my ID. When I buy drinks and use my credit/debit card. I see it as the way things are. It takes 10 seconds. Why make a fuss?
I get asked all the time for my ID. When I buy drinks and use my credit/debit card. I see it as the way things are. It takes 10 seconds. Why make a fuss?
Funny thing about that...I never even got carded for ANYTHING until I was over 40 and some places in several states HAD to ask everyone, even if it was stupid.
Mind you, I was a pack a day smoker at 12 and buying the booze for my friends at 14 because I looked old enough, apparently...lol
I wonder how age verification works online.. I know they simply say, "CLICK OK ONLY IF YOU ARE 18 OR OLDER." Eh I guess that is valid.
i had a huge pile o goodies that i was gonna buy at a b&m at least 200 dollars worth of juice and stuff . but i saw them sell to a highschool kid i asked them what in the heck they were doing they told me it was 0 nic juice i told them they could get shut down i left my stuff on counter and walked out ive never been back to them again and i refuse to shop there
Well, sorry, but I think that kind of legislation is a tad overkill... I mean, one thing is to check someone's I.D. whenever there is any chance of doubt, to make sure that you're not selling to minors something you were not be supposed to sell... I totally agree with this.
On the other hand, checking the ID of someone who is clearly in his 40's, 50,s, ... 80's... to validate if an ID has expired?
Why should employees do police work? What is then, the purpose of the law? Keep minors from buying what they should not be buying, is it not? Why turn every sale into a kind of 'police stop-operation', just to check everyone's 'papers' ?
With this kind of legislation, any vendor would have the right to take a peek at my birthdate, my marital status, where I was born, etc... when all I want is to buy some liquid or a new setup, and when I am clearly old enough to legally buy those items...
Good on them, but they should have been checking IDs since they opened!! No sense in giving the anti-ecig crowd any ammunition (like selling to underage folk) than they already make up out of whole-cloth!
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