My B&M started checking ID's!

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Jonathan Tittle

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In the US, an expired ID is essentially viewed as a non-existent ID, at least when it comes to purchases of cigarettes and alcohol. That's how it's supposed to be, but that's not how it is. Most gas station employees don't care and barely look at ID's; the same applies to most stores other than Walmart, in my experience. Walmart seems to grind their employees and they questioned the validity of my GA ID here in TN when I moved back. Why? Because most people in NE TN are used to seeing SC, NC and VA licenses, not as many from GA.

The law is that an expired ID isn't valid for purchases that require an ID. The ID has to be state or gov. issued, have a photo and valid birth date. I believe their used to be an exception where you could opt not to have your photo on your ID, but that was quite a few ago and now ID's are required to have a photo.

Also a broken ID is as good as one that is expired, so if you broke it in half, for any reason, purchases requiring an ID are not to be honored.


Is it annoying? Maybe for some, but I'd rather check every single customers' ID than have ONE child or underage teen walk out of my store with something they're not supposed to have. We don't need the bad press anymore than we already have. We don't need to give the FDA any more fodder to heavily regulate EC's any more than they already want to.

Well, sorry, but I think that kind of legislation is a tad overkill... I mean, one thing is to check someone's I.D. whenever there is any chance of doubt, to make sure that you're not selling to minors something you were not be supposed to sell... I totally agree with this.

On the other hand, checking the ID of someone who is clearly in his 40's, 50,s, ... 80's... to validate if an ID has expired?

Why should employees do police work? What is then, the purpose of the law? Keep minors from buying what they should not be buying, is it not? Why turn every sale into a kind of 'police stop-operation', just to check everyone's 'papers' ?

With this kind of legislation, any vendor would have the right to take a peek at my birthdate, my marital status, where I was born, etc... when all I want is to buy some liquid or a new setup, and when I am clearly old enough to legally buy those items...

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In the US, an expired ID is essentially viewed as a non-existent ID, at least when it comes to purchases of cigarettes and alcohol. That's how it's supposed to be, but that's not how it is. Most gas station employees don't care and barely look at ID's; the same applies to most stores other than Walmart, in my experience. Walmart seems to grind their employees and they questioned the validity of my GA ID here in TN when I moved back. Why? Because most people in NE TN are used to seeing SC, NC and VA licenses, not as many from GA.

The law is that an expired ID isn't valid for purchases that require an ID. The ID has to be state or gov. issued, have a photo and valid birth date. I believe their used to be an exception where you could opt not to have your photo on your ID, but that was quite a few ago and now ID's are required to have a photo.

Also a broken ID is as good as one that is expired, so if you broke it in half, for any reason, purchases requiring an ID are not to be honored.


Is it annoying? Maybe for some, but I'd rather check every single customers' ID than have ONE child or underage teen walk out of my store with something they're not supposed to have. We don't need the bad press anymore than we already have. We don't need to give the FDA any more fodder to heavily regulate EC's any more than they already want to.



But, as stated before, it varies from state to state.

In the state of VT, where I grew up, for the longest time you couldn't even get a driver's license with a photo until you turned 21. This was their idea of preventing underage drinking, as you couldn't get a drink without a picture ID. You could, if you were over 21 without a license, get a state liqueur ID card, which allowed you to purchase.

Also, as far as expired goes, not every state treats expired as invalid. States that are (generally) pro-military have clauses that state the expired license is valid as long the service member is still on active duty. VT, as an example had a 30-day end of service clause (they figured you were probably going to return home within 30 days, or get a different license by that time). Makes it fun when you are stationed in a state that does not have that rule, and they treat you as a criminal.

Broken and mutilated are also a state-by-state thing. When I was stationed in MD, I did not have a picture on my license, (under-21) and the top of it had gotten worn out from sticking over the top of the wallet slot. When I got pulled over one day, you would have thought the officer thought I was trying to pass a forgery. Took him 2 hours to find somebody back at the station that had even heard of a drivers license with no photo. (REAAAAALLLLY embarrassing, btw, when you are on a first date. :oops: )
 

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So if you would walk out of a store because they don't card people that means you would never ever buy online. There is no way to check ID online. Not sure if there are many states with laws on the books about vaping but most B&Ms don't sell to minors. They are policing themselves. You can't do that online, all you can do is ask and take their word for it. If the Feds say no nic to minors, won't all e-liquid web sites be out of business the next day?

Can you buy cigs or alcohol online? Don't know, just asking.
 

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So if you would walk out of a store because they don't card people that means you would never ever buy online. There is no way to check ID online. Not sure if there are many states with laws on the books about vaping but most B&Ms don't sell to minors. They are policing themselves. You can't do that online, all you can do is ask and take their word for it. If the Feds say no nic to minors, won't all e-liquid web sites be out of business the next day?

Can you buy cigs or alcohol online? Don't know, just asking.

I buy wine on-line routinely .. an adult signature is required for delivery or you ain't gettin' no wine .. as well, there are quite a few age verification softwares that are routinely run by many sites and you don't even know they are doing it .. in fact, if I recall correctly, Cali e-cig vendors are required to run age verification ..
 

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So if you would walk out of a store because they don't card people that means you would never ever buy online. There is no way to check ID online. Not sure if there are many states with laws on the books about vaping but most B&Ms don't sell to minors. They are policing themselves. You can't do that online, all you can do is ask and take their word for it. If the Feds say no nic to minors, won't all e-liquid web sites be out of business the next day?

Can you buy cigs or alcohol online? Don't know, just asking.

Like Uncle Willy, I too buy wine on line. I used to buy cigarettes on line several years ago until the state started cracking down on people avoiding the cigarette tax (I was buying them from a Native American distributor).

Cigars and chewing tobacco can be bought on line, I get cigar catalogs all the time.
 

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Like Uncle Willy, I too buy wine on line. I used to buy cigarettes on line several years ago until the state started cracking down on people avoiding the cigarette tax (I was buying them from a Native American distributor).

Cigars and chewing tobacco can be bought on line, I get cigar catalogs all the time.

Yeah, they beefed up the Jenkins Act and there really is no reason, money wise, to buy cigarettes on line these days since the seller is required to report you to your State so they can send you a bill for the tax that you thought you would avoid ..
 

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I have 6 or 7 B&Ms within 20 miles of my house and they've all checked IDs, whether it be when I first walked in or before I made the purchase. Some of them are too busy at times to check when you first walk in.

I feel sorry for the guys who don't have B&Ms close by lol. I rarely use B&Ms, regardless, because parts are cheaper online and better juices can be had.
 
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