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My battle so far with customs / Health Canada

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Lilkurty

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This is so very true. Taiwan airport authorities seized a gallon of peroxide-based cosmetic cleaner out of my luggage because they thought it might be an explosive substance. A swamper carried it directly from the plane's outside baggage cart around the airport building to my waiting cab. Anything 500 ml and up generates security attention. See: 2006 transatlantic aircraft plot


Nic base is generally not messed with by CC if 250ml and under -- never had one not go through.


On my way to FL, I intentionally packed about a dozen various but large sizes of shampoos and shower gels, several close to 1L no note...guess they can tell which is which.
Apparently there is an app for that

Prohibited Items | Transportation Security Administration
 

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On my way to FL, I intentionally packed about a dozen various but large sizes of shampoos and shower gels, several close to 1L no note...guess they can tell which is which.
Apparently there is an app for that

Prohibited Items | Transportation Security Administration
Greetz Lil ... noted.

I was referring to import into Canada in respect to Nic base.

They do have scanning setups, but also staff that single out suspicious packages. But based on what routinely makes it through, their grip on the situation is not very impressive ... and I'm not complaining ... lol
 

Lilkurty

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OK, I am going to have to just go on some assumptions here so don't quote me on this:

e-liquid with nicotine is allowed into Canada (Schedule F)

90 day supply (make sure your bottles are labelled with mg strength and ml)

MAX 3.75 mg

90 day supply should not apply as e liquid containing nicotine is not a prescription drug. It is essentially, for lack of regulation at this point simply a substance containing a schedule F controlled substance that is allowed to be imported as long as it meets the criteria set out in the exemptions. Basically that it should not be more than 4 mg per dose (of which HC has not clearly defined what a dose is)
 

Lilkurty

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Last time I flew back from the states I got one of those Tsa notices in my luggage over a brick of cheese I had in my checked luggage. I can understand why though. Under the scanner it would have had the same size and consistency of a nice piece of explosives. I actually even expected it.


A brick of cheese! Lol, see this guys rant.

2008 November 05 « Phil's Blog.
 

Bosman

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Lilkurty => I am very happy you made it through without any hassle or harassment. Right on!!

While I was unable to draft anything last night as a result of very pleasant duties due to the Valentine's Day, here goes my work. Please feel free to comment and suggest revisions. What do you ladies and gentleman think?


February 15, 2013
Food and Drugs Act Liaison Office
200 Eglantine Driveway
Address Locator 1917C
Ottawa, Ontario
K1A 0K9

Dear Sir or Madam:
As of January 30, 2013 my parcel is being held by Canada Border Services Agency Edmonton on recommendation of Health Canada. This letter is to appeal this decision, have the parcel released and subsequently delivered to its destination address as it is being held without any supporting law of Canada.

Information pertaining the parcel:
DHL Waybil: 947706XXXX
CBSA reference: K24 XXXXX
Health Canada reference: XXXXXXXXX

Health Canada has since sent me a letter (see attached HC_Letter.pdf) with the following information as the cause for refusal:
REASON
Food and Drug Regulations -- C.01.045(1)
Subject to subsection (2), no person other than: a practitioner, a drug manufacturer, a wholesale druggist, a registered pharmacists, or a resident of a foreign country while a visitor in Canada, shall import Schedule F Drug.

The reason is fundamentally flawed and incorrect as per following facts:
• E-cigarettes are not a health product. They are a recreational consumer good and as such do not fall under the Food and Drugs Act. Nicotine replacement therapies (pharmaceutical nicotine products used for the purpose of quitting smoking) make therapeutic claims and therefore are covered under the act. E-cigarettes make no such claims.
• E-liquid containing nicotine (five 50ml 0.6% nicotine bottles) is explicitly exempted from Food and Drug Act, as per Schedule F:

Nicotine and its salts, for human use, except
(d) in a form to be administered orally by means of an inhalation device delivering 4 mg or less of nicotine per dosage unit; or
(see attached report NJOY.pdf clearly stating that 1.8% nicotine e-liquid delivers less than 4 mg of nicotine per dose, in the case of 0.6% nicotine liquid this number is even lower)

• As a consumer product e-liquid does not require market authorisation.
• E-liquid containing nicotine is not a prescription drug

It is not difficult to make poor judgement in classification of this product and impose hold on a package containing such, considering Health Canada’s Advisory number 2009-53, dated March 27, 2009 which may be mistakenly understood as ban on such consumer products. I cannot stress enough that this is neither a health product nor a Nicotine Replacement Therapy product in which case Schedule F of the Food and Drug Act would apply in full force.

It is my belief that you will concordantly take steps to assure the package is irrevocably released and passed over to DHL Express for delivery at the earliest convenience.

Furthermore, please be advised there are numerous vendors selling openly electronic cigarette products and supplies throughout Canada, with or without nicotine. One of such businesses is the second fastest growing company in the province of Alberta, as per recent interview on CBC Current from January 29, 2013. While some of the vendors do, occasionally, receive cease and desist letters from Health Canada, none has been presented with criminal charges as these vendors do not break any Canadian Laws.

Sincerely Yours,
Mr. Bosman
 
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Projectguy

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Excellent letter. Be ready for a response that may make reference to the case of a Quebec vendor (can't remember the case name) who was shut down. WHat they won't tell you is that he actually made health / smoking cessation claims to which he pleaded "no contest". Having read the judgement he was poorly represented, researched and prepared which is definitely not the case with you. If and when the time comes and you require counsel I will ask my guys here in Torotno to refer the names of some competent "activist" lawyers.

Lilkurty => I am very happy you made it through without any hassle or harassment. Right on!!

While I was unable to draft anything last night as a result of very pleasant duties due to the Valentine's Day, here goes my work. Please feel free to comment and suggest revisions. What do you ladies and gentleman think?


February 15, 2013
Food and Drugs Act Liaison Office
200 Eglantine Driveway
Address Locator 1917C
Ottawa, Ontario
K1A 0K9

Dear Sir or Madam:
As of January 30, 2013 my parcel is being held by Canada Border Services Agency Edmonton on recommendation of Health Canada. This letter is to appeal this decision, have the parcel released and subsequently delivered to its destination address as it is being held without any supporting law of Canada.

Information pertaining the parcel:
DHL Waybil: 947706XXXX
CBSA reference: K24 XXXXX
Health Canada reference: XXXXXXXXX

Health Canada has since sent me a letter (see attached HC_Letter.pdf) with the following information as the cause for refusal:
REASON
Food and Drug Regulations -- C.01.045(1)
Subject to subsection (2), no person other than: a practitioner, a drug manufacturer, a wholesale druggist, a registered pharmacists, or a resident of a foreign country while a visitor in Canada, shall import Schedule F Drug.

The reason is fundamentally flawed and incorrect as per following facts:
• E-cigarettes are not a health product. They are a recreational consumer good and as such do not fall under the Food and Drugs Act. Nicotine replacement therapies (pharmaceutical nicotine products used for the purpose of quitting smoking) make therapeutic claims and therefore are covered under the act. E-cigarettes make no such claims.
• E-liquid containing nicotine (five 50ml 0.6% nicotine bottles) is explicitly exempted from Food and Drug Act, as per Schedule F:

Nicotine and its salts, for human use, except
(d) in a form to be administered orally by means of an inhalation device delivering 4 mg or less of nicotine per dosage unit; or
(see attached report NJOY.pdf clearly stating that 1.8% nicotine e-liquid delivers less than 4 mg of nicotine per dose, in the case of 0.6% nicotine liquid this number is even lower)

• As a consumer product e-liquid does not require market authorisation.
• E-liquid containing nicotine is not a prescription drug

It is not difficult to make poor judgment in classification of this product and impose hold on a package containing such, considering Health Canada’s Advisory number 2009-53, dated March 27, 2009 which may be understood as ban on such consumer products. I cannot stress enough that this is neither a health product nor a Nicotine Replacement Therapy product in which case Schedule F of the Food and Drug Act would apply in full force.

It is my believe that you will concordantly take steps to assure the package is irrevocably released and passed over to DHL Express for delivery at the earliest convenience.

Furthermore, please be advised there are numerous vendors selling openly electronic cigarette products and supplies throughout Canada, with or without nicotine. One of such businesses is the second fastest growing company in the province of Alberta, as per recent interview on CBC Current from January 29, 2013. While some of the vendors do, occasionally, receive cease and desist letters from Health Canada, none has been presented with criminal charges as these vendors do not break any Canadian Laws.

Sincerely Yours,
Mr. Bosman
 

Lilkurty

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Excellent! image.jpg
This should be a standard template!!
( just change believe to belief)


It is my believe that you will concordantly take steps to assure the package is irrevocably released and passed over to DHL Express for delivery at the earliest convenience.
 

Bosman

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I have read it twice. It would appear to me that HC won the case because ZEN did claim openly the product will help quit smoking (hence becoming a drug) and fact they considered a dosage to be one cartridge (of 18mg liquid). Compared to inhaler and assuming 40% nicotine delivery, a dose yield was 7.2 mg per dosage unit. Interesting....
 

Esharp

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Ya - I'm with nuclearbroccoli on that suggestion regarding the ban. In your own words you may want to say that, to date HC has only issued a health advisory. That way you are reminding them that it is an advisory and not a ban without saying the word "ban". Silly I know. IMHO

P.S. Great letter!!
 
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Krusin_

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My take...with a few grammatical corrections. :toast:

February 15, 2013
Food and Drugs Act Liaison Office
200 Eglantine Driveway
Address Locator 1917C
Ottawa, Ontario
K1A 0K9

Dear Sir or Madam:
As of January 30, 2013 my parcel is being held by Canada Border Services Agency Edmonton on recommendation of Health Canada. This letter is to appeal this decision, have the parcel released and subsequently delivered to its destination address. It is being held without support from any Canadian Law or Regulation.

Information pertaining to the parcel:
DHL Waybil: 947706XXXX
CBSA reference: K24 XXXXX
Health Canada reference: XXXXXXXXX

Health Canada has since sent me a letter (see attached HC_Letter.pdf) with the following information as the cause for refusal:
REASON
Food and Drug Regulations -- C.01.045(1)
Subject to subsection (2), no person other than: a practitioner, a drug manufacturer, a wholesale druggist, a registered pharmacist or a resident of a foreign country while a visitor in Canada, shall import a Schedule F Drug.

The reason is fundamentally flawed and incorrect as per the following facts:
• E-cigarettes are not a health product. They are recreational consumer goods and as such do not fall under the Food and Drugs Act. Nicotine Replacement Therapy products (pharmaceutical nicotine products used for the purpose of quitting smoking) make therapeutic claims and therefore are covered under the Act. E-cigarettes make no such claims.
• E-liquid containing nicotine (five 50ml 0.6% nicotine bottles) is explicitly exempt from the Food and Drug Regulations, as per Schedule F:

Nicotine and its salts, for human use, except
(d) in a form to be administered orally by means of an inhalation device delivering 4 mg or less of nicotine per dosage unit

(see attached report NJOY.pdf clearly stating that 1.8% nicotine e-liquid delivers less than 4 mg of nicotine per dose, in the case of 0.6% nicotine liquid this number is obviously lower.)

• As a consumer product e-liquid does not require market authorization.
• E-liquid containing nicotine is not a prescription drug

It is easy to mistake classification of this product and impose a hold on a package containing such considering Health Canada’s Advisory (number 2009-53) dated March 27, 2009 which may be understood as a ban on such consumer products. I cannot stress enough that this is neither a health product nor a Nicotine Replacement Therapy product. (In which case Schedule F of the Food and Drug Act would apply.)

It is my belief you will consequently take steps to assure the package is irrevocably released and passed over to DHL Express for delivery at their earliest convenience.

Furthermore, please be advised there are numerous vendors openly selling electronic cigarette products and supplies throughout Canada, with or without nicotine. One such business is the second fastest growing company in the province of Alberta as per a recent interview on CBC Current that aired January 29, 2013. Some vendors do, very occasionally, receive cease and desist letters from Health Canada, but none have been presented with criminal charges as these vendors do not currently break Canadian Law.

Sincerely Yours,
Mr. Bosman
 

Lilkurty

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Bosman's exceptional letter prompted me to enquire about my own Chinese shipment that was seized in January citing the same reason. I talked with the woman from CBSA whose name was at the bottom of my letter and she said that she is just enforcing what Health Canada is insisting is a product that is dually classified; the starter kit is the medical component and the cartridges because they contain nicotine fall under schedule F that is regulated by the Theraputic Products Directorate. She indicated to me that THD has not classified the e cig as an inhalation device and therefore the exemption does not apply. I am so frustrated over all of this! The US lost their court case when they tried to force it to be a medical device but HC is standing firm on their decision to keep it this way. If this becomes a pharmaceutical we're doomed.
My husband was the product manager for Nicorette many years ago before it was exempt in schedule F, all nicotine was not allowed. It took him 3 years, tons of money, a hundred doctors and lots of testing in Canada even though the same tests were already done in Sweden. This is what the FDA/NJOY suit was all about, that it would be cost prohibitive for anyone except pharma to be able to do this. Ultimately this is not what I want, I want a healthier alternative to smoking, not a prescription for an expensive "medical device".
I did speak to someone at the Theraputic Products Directorate and he reiterated that even though there is an exemption for Nicorette in various forms, those were tested and proven to be OK for those specific products E cigs have less than the 4 mg amount as was cited in the Independent study done for NJOY.
My God we need help! If we don't make alot of noise on this, they are just going to walk all over us.

Everything that was mentioned previously means :censored:because no nicotine will be able to be sold, imported etc.

How can they say that the e cig is not an inhalation device that would be exempt from schedule F????? What argument could possibly be made for two products delivering similar amounts of nicotine orally but having different effects on the body?
How is it different from Nicotrol?????
The guy I spoke to at TPD said that the e cig is inhaled into the lungs and Nicotrol it is absorbed through the skin??

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