My Boba's clone

[Brenyo]

I'm not sure what you mean? PG flavor can dilute VG instead of using water?

Yes, thats right.

I don't think so; I read on here that flavors can be PG-based, alcohol-based or oil-based. Case in point, I recently got an order from HHV and couldn't vape the stuff for 2 weeks, it had that much alcohol in it. That's the impression I got, anyway, because of the high volatility of the aroma (the whole room smelled from just leaving the open bottles on the table) and when trying it I got the impression that I'm trying to vape a cocktail.

Yes can be oil or alcohol based but that stuff is just wont work good in e-liquids

Ben says there's no alcohol in Boba's. He's also mentioned before the flavors used are not PG based.

Believe me, its PG based. They want to distract everyone to make the clone. I can understand this and I hate myself a little for doing this, but its a callange for me

Can flavorings be water based? And if so, would it work?

Yes I think (whater is much worse carrier in flavours than PG) but I only find a couple what have a bigger water amount in it. Usually apple flavours

 

[glassmanoak]

think "Ben" sits back and has a good chuckle about all the machinations over his juices.. and enjoys tossing a "red herring" every once in a while!

 

[Porksmuggler]

Believe me, its PG based. They want to distract everyone to make the clone. I can understand this and I hate myself a little for doing this, but its a callange for me

No thanks, I'd rather believe Ben, since he actually makes the stuff, but keep that clone prevention conspiracy close to your heart

From the the site FAQ: Are all your VG liquids 100% VG?

A.) No. Our "VG" liquids would be better labeled as "PG -free". Certain flavors are 100% VG, such as our tobacco line and many of our sweet flavors, but some will have flavors based in distilled water or alcohol. To find out which of our VG line flavors have alternate flavor bases please contact us through our support ticket system.

Regarding alcohol specifically in BB or GJ: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/alien-visions-e-juice/216340-bobas-bounty-gorilla-juice-alcohol-taste.html#post3937955

glassmanoak, he doesn't seem like a red herring kind of guy to me. If anything, he's straight up about what's in his juice, without just giving up the recipe. Porphy (Ben-Avejuice.com) Vaping Interview with Alucard - YouTube

 

[xitheron]

I grow weary of aimless conjecture! I'll release the the base tobacco for Bobas, it is Camel Snus "Mellow". You can add this to your existing bottle and make more Bobas. Here's the instructions: Take the pouches and mix it in 100ml PG, heat it, until you get a dark brown color, let it steep in a dark area for a couple days, filter with coffee filters. Next add (25%) this to your existing bobas bottle and let it steep for a couple of nights. So if you have 100ml of Bobas, add 25ml of this tobacco base to make more.

It is possible to have a VG based flavor. I just tried the Snus thing above, but I used VG instead using this exact method:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/liquid-extraction-tobacco/99774-vg-pipe-tobacco-essense.html

(though since Snus is in small pouches, no filtering was needed). {thanks Kurt!}

It's not exactly Boba's, but I have to say it's very close and very flavorful for sure. I haven't experimented yet with adding other flavors that seem to be in Boba's such as caramel/cinnamon/honey etc, but the tobacco itself is very complex alone. I'm going to vape it straight for a while to really get to know the flavor and go from there. It's definitely good and very familiar and much better than any tobacco flavor I've bought. ( which is probably about 20)

Also, as per the tobacco VG extraction thread above, I'm vaping it about 30%. Kurt who started the thread calls it more of a tobacco "essence" and I see what he means by that. Since its VG maybe it takes more flavor to infuse into the thick liquid. I can see how if this same process or something like it was done with a few more flavors, you really could get a 50% flavor VG based, added to 50% VG with nic. (I'm also using 10% distilled water). I'm going to try it at 50% next and see what happens.

I just made a 5ml batch- 12mg Nic
30% Snus "essence"
10% distilled water

That's it! It's it's a little sweet and very rich and smells amazing. No steeping at all yet so looking forward to see if it improves at all. I'm going to do another batch and add caramel and cinnamon to see how that goes.

Btw- the Camel Snus mellow was under $3.00, and I used the whole pack in 30ml of VG-

 

[glassmanoak]

I've never been a "Conspiracy Theory" kinda guy , but I AM a "No one works against his own self-interest" guy.

I DO believe that hints are intended to mislead or for one's own amusement. I have made several very good juices by searching for the clone. To me, that's the pleasure in looking for a clone.. self-directed experimentation!!
Enjoy the fruits of YOUR labor!!

 

[buffaloguy]

Lets do away with some myths here. Flavors can be made in VG, PG, PGA, and even WATER. There are vendors that do so. TPA itself has some flavorings that are 100%VG. Usually what you will find in most flavorings is PG, PGA, and water. Some, for example, like tpa mountain dew contain vitamin E. Some contain triacetin (well known for cracking plastics).

VG itself will come in varying degrees of viscosity. Typically USP grade VG is much thicker than PG. VG gets thinned with pg based flavorings, distilled water, and YES even PGA.

Many people use PGA to thin their juices and it adds some throat hit to a vape. It DOES work just fine in eliquids. PGA is usually neutral flavor wise unless its a poor grade of PGA.

You can have VG juices with as much as 30% a combo of flavoring and distilled water or pga in it. There can also be other additions like citric acid, vinegar, lemon juice, sucralose or stevia.... a 60%vg/30% everything else vg based juice might be a lil runny but will work fine. Even if it has 25% distilled water in it and only 5% flavor.

I havent tackled this bobas yet but its on my todo list. Still following, just wanna be sure we all have proper info. I only work in VG and have been diy'ing since day 1 vaping.

 

[Porksmuggler]

You can have VG juices with as much as 30% a combo of flavoring and distilled water or pga in it. There can also be other additions like citric acid, vinegar, lemon juice, sucralose or stevia.... a 60%vg/30% everything else vg based juice might be a lil runny but will work fine. Even if it has 25% distilled water in it and only 5% flavor.

I havent tackled this bobas yet but its on my todo list. Still following, just wanna be sure we all have proper info. I only work in VG and have been diy'ing since day 1 vaping.

Boba's is definitely PG free, and it's not that I just believe Ben. I'm allergic to PG, like tongue, and roof of the mouth swelling allergic, hives, etc. I went through a bunch of vendors when I first started vaping, and honestly, probably would have gone back to cigarettes if I hadn't tried Alien Visions. So, I have no problem buying my all days from him.

Ben has also said before that Boba's is 40% flavoring. I'm not sure if he still uses the same flavorings, but he's mentioned Dawn's site in the past, and she definitely has the VG flavorings you might find in these juices.

Caramel Flavoring DIY VG

 

[Levitas]

I'm not sure if he still uses the same flavorings, but he's mentioned Dawn's site in the past, and she definitely has the VG flavorings you might find in these juices.

They also carry VG based tobacco flavorings. Though, you have to purchase the 'kit'.

Shake N Vape Tobacco Kit

 

[Porksmuggler]

They also carry VG based tobacco flavorings. Though, you have to purchase the 'kit'.
Shake N Vape Tobacco Kit

In the past, if I'm remembering correctly, she had more tobacco flavorings for DIY.

Edit: A lot more...http://web.archive.org/web/20100604022110/http://www.diyflavorshack.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=79

 

[glassmanoak]

Levitas, are you getting a strong sense of dejavu?

 

[Roots820]

Levitas, I keep reading these posts and thinking Raistlin is giving some advice on mixing potions. LOL

 

[SloHand]

I found this post dated Sept 20, 2009 by Porphy interesting and relevant;

Originally Posted by thewomenfolk
What can I add to Vanilla to make it better? This Vanilla extract must be very strong or something but it doesn't taste exactly like Vanilla. Help! Vanilla's my favorite thing!

I've figured this out after about 50 dollars of experimentation on just figuring out the "vanilla" conundrum. Ok vanilla extract/flavoring smells divine but the taste is blank, non-existent, lacking. I figured out that the "vanilla" we crave is the smell as well as the sugar associated with the smell. To remedy this I use a 1:10 mix of Lorann's double strength caramel to Vanilla or, surprisingly, Lorann's Cinnamon Roll to Vanilla. The flavors contain no sugar but smell as though they have sugar and since smell is 70% of taste BAM! You get a sweet taste (Hooray for tricking the brain!)

The only flavor you'll be left with is sweet vanilla and it will match the taste you expect.

Might be some tricking of the brain going on in Boba's

 

[unloaded]

He mentions LorAnn twice, that could be another hint. Time to check the suspect flavors there and see if they contain PG.

 

[Porksmuggler]

He mentions LorAnn twice, that could be another hint. Time to check the suspect flavors there and see if they contain PG.

Fairly sure those LorAnn flavors are PG.

Edit: Yep https://www.lorannoils.com/p-8298-caramel-flavor.aspx

 

[buffaloguy]

If is indeed 100% VG then you are left with only VG based flavorings. Of which they are hard to come by. So finding out which shouldnt be hard. However ALC based extractions arent out of the question. He could still claim 100% VG, even with alc based flavorings. Dont forget sweeteners and the other additives. Those can be made with either pg or vg. You can buy crystals for EM, powder for citric acid, and sucralose and dilute it in VG as well.

Just food for thought. However if bobas has been around a long time then I assume the flavors are from a long standing line of VG based flavorings.

Boba's is definitely PG free, and it's not that I just believe Ben. I'm allergic to PG, like tongue, and roof of the mouth swelling allergic, hives, etc. I went through a bunch of vendors when I first started vaping, and honestly, probably would have gone back to cigarettes if I hadn't tried Alien Visions. So, I have no problem buying my all days from him.

Ben has also said before that Boba's is 40% flavoring. I'm not sure if he still uses the same flavorings, but he's mentioned Dawn's site in the past, and she definitely has the VG flavorings you might find in these juices.

Caramel Flavoring DIY VG

 

[Porksmuggler]

Just food for thought. However if bobas has been around a long time then I assume the flavors are from a long standing line of VG based flavorings.

That's definitely why I linked Dawn's sites, Ben has credited her for getting him started, and she has the VG based flavorings. I'm not a DIY'er, but I've come up short searching for VG based flavorings from the usual suspects here in the forum, LA, TFA, Capella, etc.

EDIT: I didn't search well, here they are, and they line up with Dawn's VG based flavorings.

https://www.lorannoils.com/c-202-new-natural-flavors.aspx

 

[Koman]

That's definitely why I linked Dawn's sites, Ben has credited her for getting him started, and she has the VG based flavorings. I'm not a DIY'er, but I've come up short searching for VG based flavorings from the usual suspects here in the forum, LA, TFA, Capella, etc.

EDIT: I didn't search well, here they are, and they line up with Dawn's VG based flavorings.

https://www.lorannoils.com/c-202-new-natural-flavors.aspx

Thanks for linking. good stuff, great flavors.

 

[Racehorse]

she definitely has the VG flavorings you might find in these juices.

Nature's Flavors are also 100% VG.

I did purchase several bottles of Lorann's Naturals. While not PG, many of them have food coloring and such......not interesting in vaping dyes.

 

[glassmanoak]

How about a few Alchemist's tricks and Magic.. turning VG, alcohol and water into GOLD!

 

[Norman Clature]

How about a few Alchemist's tricks and Magic.. turning VG, alcohol and water into GOLD!

I thought that's what we were doing...