My dream coil

[robertr]

You should call that a slinky coil.

 

[HecticEnergy]

I just did this...

I know it looks like complete utter crap right now so I'm gonna redo it this afternoon and run dual. Just wanted to share with you guys that it lights up really quick.

It's a fused clapton 2 24's inside wrapped with 36g. All nichrome.

I'll post pictures of my new build later on this afternoon

Looks good! Sure, could be tighter with the 36ga, but still all looks even. Not Clapton, but still pretty how's the vape?


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[robertr]

Just noticed that your coating on your atomizer is flaking off, personally I would not use it, I hope that is just your tester.

 

[HecticEnergy]

Just noticed that your coating on your atomizer is flaking off, personally I would not use it, I hope that is just your tester.

That's a good point!


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[Justadude]

Looks good! Sure, could be tighter with the 36ga, but still all looks even. Not Clapton, but still pretty how's the vape?


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How is it not clapton?

and don't know yet dude. I had a feeling I was gonna end up redoing it so I just wanted to see how it lights up. And so far so good

Just noticed that your coating on your atomizer is flaking off, personally I would not use it, I hope that is just your tester.

Yeah that's just a tester dude. I'll build on my pretty 1.5 plume later on this afternoon.

 

[HecticEnergy]

How is it not clapton?

I think the Clapton got its name from looking like guitar wire, that doesn't look like guitar wire


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[USMCotaku]

The easiest way to make a 32/28 gauge Clapton is wrapping the 32 gauge on the small G string of a guitar since its about the same diameter of 28 gauge kanthal. Maybe that has something to do with the name as well?
You do the wrapping, straightening and compressing on the guitar string, then pull that out and slip in the kanthal
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[HecticEnergy]

The easiest way to make a 32/28 gauge Clapton is wrapping the 32 gauge on the small G string of a guitar since its about the same diameter of 28 gauge kanthal. Maybe that has something to do with the name as well?
You do the wrapping, straightening and compressing on the guitar string, then pull that out and slip in the kanthal
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.

Riptrippers has a video showing this for anyone interested


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[Yorkshire_pudding]

With dual internal wire its a fused clapton in the video i saw

 

[Justadude]

I think the Clapton got its name from looking like guitar wire, that doesn't look like guitar wire

Fair enough

Riptrippers has a video showing this for anyone interested

I saw that video. Personally I'm not interested in doing it that way cause I think that leaves too much room in between the wires.

So in any case, I've redone it. Here's some pictures and what I came across when building this...

First of all I was kind of skeptical firing this up because that's getting awfully low to what I consider my battery's safe limit at .12 ohms.

then I noticed I somehow missed one spot

but I got enough balls and decided to fire it up.

Second coil was the same result as the first one but nearly perfect. Now - onto pros and cons...
Pros - this heats up super quick and should be a really good vape. It also gives me a lot more room to work with cause now I can go down in gauge.

Cons - I did more wraps than twisted masses (maybe I used a smaller diameter, not sure) and I didn't even get close to .25 ohms as I planned.

Another con - I can tell my mod getting hotter than usual and I particularly don't like it. I can tell I'm taxing my battery a lot at such low ohm and I decided I don't want to go that low. Which means my happy zone is gonna be somewhere between .3 and .25 ohms. Which means I'll have to use different gauges/or possibly kanthal in order to get a desired effect.

This coil build is good. But I'll need more resistance if I want to hit .2 with dual coils (.4 per coil). Obviously .1 per coil is way too low. Everyone's different and personally I love dual coil builds so I'll need to crank the resonance somewhere in order to get closer to that number.

I used 2 24s wrapped in 36. All nichrome. It's working good but not there yet.

One problem I came across though - I had really hard time trying to get rid of the hot spots. I've tried what twisted messes said in his build video but that didn't work for me very well. Any other suggestions on getting rid of the hot spots?

 

[HecticEnergy]

I didn't really have any issues with hot spots, just pulse and squeeze as usual. My initial coil was wrapped a little loose so I did pre torch the coil while pinching it with tweezers, so maybe that helped? Messed used all niachrone if I remember correctly, so resistance would be a bit different with kanthal... I wouldn't think it would be that off, also I think niachrone has more mass so it would be lower? Not sure on either accounts
Tldr iono


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[Justadude]

No brother, he used 24 nichrome inside and 36 kanthal outside. I remember cause I watched it this morning. He had 4 and a half wraps and was saying his came up to like .2 or something. And yes you're right - nichrome has more mass so it should have lower resistance.

I had 5 and a half wraps and it put out .15 on average for both coils. Both had hot spots. I wiggled both like twisted said to do and used the usual pinching method. I didn't torch neither wire nor the coil so maybe that's part of it. Don't know.

You see the thing that kind of worries me is that those 5 and a half wraps took up most of the deck space. Maybe I could fit one more wrap but two more wraps would be pushing it. So I'm thinking maybe a higher diameter.

Another option would be to go all out again and wrap 36 around 34 (as if wrapping it around 24 wasn't hard enough lol) and then do my original "dream coil" with maybe 26 or 28 nichrome inside.

I'm waiting for my 34g vape mail to get here this week and I might just try it. Or go completely out and do my dream coil but instead do a double clapton sitting on fused clapton hahaha

I gotta ponder on this for a while. Thoughts? Suggestions? Ideas?

 

[readeuler]

I still think Kanthal is one way to go, because of its lower density and higher resistance per unit length. I'm not guaranteeing it would sit at a high enough resistance, but I think it has a better chance. Or switching to 26ga, be it Nichrome or Kanthal, would probablly work.

I noticed you said your battery could handle builds down to 0.12 ohms. I'm not sure whether this is based on calculations for a 35A continuous battery, or whether you're using 3.7 as the voltage of the battery, but it could certainly contribute to your mod heating up.

ETA: I could probably help coming up with some kind of resistance estimate for wrapping Clapton coils, fused or otherwise, if anyone is interested. I'm sure it takes absolutely forever to wrap one, and it's gotta be painful when it doesn't work out

 

[USMCotaku]

Fair enough





I saw that video. Personally I'm not interested in doing it that way cause I think that leaves too much room in between the wires.



So in any case, I've redone it. Here's some pictures and what I came across when building this...



First of all I was kind of skeptical firing this up because that's getting awfully low to what I consider my battery's safe limit at .12 ohms.

then I noticed I somehow missed one spot

but I got enough balls and decided to fire it up.



Second coil was the same result as the first one but nearly perfect. Now - onto pros and cons...

Pros - this heats up super quick and should be a really good vape. It also gives me a lot more room to work with cause now I can go down in gauge.



Cons - I did more wraps than twisted masses (maybe I used a smaller diameter, not sure) and I didn't even get close to .25 ohms as I planned.



Another con - I can tell my mod getting hotter than usual and I particularly don't like it. I can tell I'm taxing my battery a lot at such low ohm and I decided I don't want to go that low. Which means my happy zone is gonna be somewhere between .3 and .25 ohms. Which means I'll have to use different gauges/or possibly kanthal in order to get a desired effect.



This coil build is good. But I'll need more resistance if I want to hit .2 with dual coils (.4 per coil). Obviously .1 per coil is way too low. Everyone's different and personally I love dual coil builds so I'll need to crank the resonance somewhere in order to get closer to that number.



I used 2 24s wrapped in 36. All nichrome. It's working good but not there yet.



One problem I came across though - I had really hard time trying to get rid of the hot spots. I've tried what twisted messes said in his build video but that didn't work for me very well. Any other suggestions on getting rid of the hot spots?

Try doing the outer wrap in 32 gauge. That should up your resistance

 

[Justadude]

I still think Kanthal is one way to go, because of its lower density and higher resistance per unit length. I'm not guaranteeing it would sit at a high enough resistance, but I think it has a better chance. Or switching to 26ga, be it Nichrome or Kanthal, would probablly work.

I noticed you said your battery could handle builds down to 0.12 ohms. I'm not sure whether this is based on calculations for a 35A continuous battery, or whether you're using 3.7 as the voltage of the battery, but it could certainly contribute to your mod heating up.

ETA: I could probably help coming up with some kind of resistance estimate for wrapping Clapton coils, fused or otherwise, if anyone is interested. I'm sure it takes absolutely forever to wrap one, and it's gotta be painful when it doesn't work out

You might be right dude. And I'm more than interested. I don't have 36 kanthal. Only 36 nichrome at the moment.

I've decided to do 36 around 2 28s. I did it and it hit .44 which was around my target area for one coil. This was an absolute NIGHTMARE to do. That was 5 and a half wraps. Then did 36 around 2 26s with 6 and a half wraps. That came to around .3

that was easier to do but still kind of a pain. I'm sticking with 24 gauge.So you're right - 36 kanthal outside might get me higher res and closer to my target number. Gonna order it tomorrow off temco.

Try doing the outer wrap in 32 gauge. That should up your resistance

I've used 36 on the outside. It's less mass but higher resistance. Are you thinking more mass more resistance?

 

[Zazoie]

My dream coil

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[HecticEnergy]

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I saw that video... what an idiot... blew battery all over his wall.. said he did it to see if he could vent the battery in the comments, but in the video that clearly wasnt his goal.. it was clouds bro, clouds... A perfect example of what not to do....

 

[HecticEnergy]

Try doing the outer wrap in 32 gauge. That should up your resistance

The outer wire is such high resitance that it really doesnt do anything for lowering the resistance of the build. It acutally adds mass to the wire without lowering the resistance, causing longer heatup times, so the outer wrap with thinner wire is prefered. Atleast that's how I understand it, I make no claims to having any actual scientific based knowledge on this, but it sounds right

 

[HecticEnergy]

You might be right dude. And I'm more than interested. I don't have 36 kanthal. Only 36 nichrome at the moment.

I've decided to do 36 around 2 28s. I did it and it hit .44 which was around my target area for one coil. This was an absolute NIGHTMARE to do. That was 5 and a half wraps. Then did 36 around 2 26s with 6 and a half wraps. That came to around .3

that was easier to do but still kind of a pain. I'm sticking with 24 gauge.So you're right - 36 kanthal outside might get me higher res and closer to my target number. Gonna order it tomorrow off temco.



I've used 36 on the outside. It's less mass but higher resistance. Are you thinking more mass more resistance?

The build I did: Parallel 26 wrapped with 32 - 5 wraps on 3/32 dual coil net .19ish. Fits in little boy with room for another wrap or two. That ran me out of 32ga, and I have no desire to buy more

 

[Justadude]

I saw that video... what an idiot... blew battery all over his wall.. said he did it to see if he could vent the battery in the comments, but in the video that clearly wasnt his goal.. it was clouds bro, clouds... A perfect example of what not to do....

Sounds like he went full ....... Never go full ...... lol
Somebody link me, I want to see that lol

The outer wire is such high resitance that it really doesnt do anything for lowering the resistance of the build. It acutally adds mass to the wire without lowering the resistance, causing longer heatup times, so the outer wrap with thinner wire is prefered. Atleast that's how I understand it, I make no claims to having any actual scientific based knowledge on this, but it sounds right

You're absolutely correct. Hence my choice for 36. Even twisted said in his video that even if we try 34 or 32 gauge the flavor won't be the same.

The build I did: Parallel 26 wrapped with 32 - 5 wraps on 3/32 dual coil net .19ish. Fits in little boy with room for another wrap or two. That ran me out of 32ga, and I have no desire to buy more

Kanthal build right?