My ejuices barely taste at all! Help!

[djsvapour]

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Maybe there is really something wrong with my taste buds since most of the people use 2-5% of flavors and say its amazing but honestly I dont think so.

No, I agree. My tastebuds are just fine these days. Some people are super-tasters (or whatever they call that business) so we can accept their opinion but weak juice is weak juice.

 

[MC Vape]

No, I agree. My tastebuds are just fine these days. Some people are super-tasters (or whatever they call that business) so we can accept their opinion but weak juice is weak juice.

The thing is after I make tobacco flavor at 2-6% I taste it alot even its too strong.

 

[JMC17]

Well i'm not gonna shy away from putting a high percentage of flavor in my juices if it ends up tasting a lot!
I'm going to taste the 50% FA Melon bottle tomorrow, along with the 2%,4%,6% and 8% bottles, I'll get to the bottom of this.

There's nothing better than testing everything.

[Edit] Okay, I just tested the 50% FA Melon this morning and it doesn't taste much.
I noticed that the very light flavor I got from it at lower percentage, is a lot more noticable now.

I think I can see what it would taste if I put even more flavor in it.
I'm definitely going to try an even higher percentage in my next tests.
Maybe a 75% or something, it's not like I'm going to use that Melon flavoring bottle for anything else anyway.

I'm starting to think that some FA flavors are just not good for vaping.
If I did a 50% bottle of Bilberry, i'm pretty sure it'd kick hard but Melon and Strawberry just doesn't taste much.

I'll test the 2%,4%,6% and 8% bottles now but pretty much only to get it out of my way. I'm fairly certain it won't taste a lot.

Next step is to taste the LA bottles because at this point, I will have tasted/tested the entire spectrum of percentages with the FA Melon flavor and got nothing out of it.
(2%,4%,6%,8%,14%,24%,50% and soon 75%)

 

[Carl2]

I've just changed my coils from 28 AWG wire to 2 twisted 32 AWG wires for making coils, I've set it up in 2 RBA tanks with different coil configurations. Both tanks create large amounts of vapor and plenty of flavor. The bad news is 32 AWG is very fine wire and the coils need more support, both sets of tanks changed so it needs more work.
Carl2

 

[mcclintock]

I might not taste anything with those tanks either. There's people that love them I'm sure. It's said that more power=more flavor but sure seems almost the opposite to me. Anything that can handle high power kills flavor. Wide bore drip tips are a sure sign. But different flavors favor different hardware and there might be something that works well with them. I would also suggest a RDA for experimenting with flavors, but you might not go back to tanks.

Flavor combinations can increase flavor. For example one flavor I use at 5% and another at 4%, when I use them together it's 2% and .2% and has more flavor than either alone.

 

[JMC17]

I might not taste anything with those tanks either. There's people that love them I'm sure. It's said that more power=more flavor but sure seems almost the opposite to me. Anything that can handle high power kills flavor. Wide bore drip tips are a sure sign. But different flavors favor different hardware and there might be something that works well with them. I would also suggest a RDA for experimenting with flavors, but you might not go back to tanks.

Thanks, it's a major possibility that my hardware is limiting the taste.
I'll probably be looking into dripping soon, I'll definitely make a new thread for that purpose and research it a lot more. I think the only thing that kept me away from dripping is the fact that I get through a tank pretty quickly.
I still don't understand exactly how dripping works and why it doesn't have a reservoir.

Flavor combinations can increase flavor. For example one flavor I use at 5% and another at 4%, when I use them together it's 2% and .2% and has more flavor than either alone.

Unfortunately I already conducted a blend test and didn't find it any better.
Imo, if the single flavor juice is tasteless, blending it is not going to make it any better nor will steeping. Also the smell is tightly connected to how much the juice taste, at least for high PG juices.

I finished testing the melon bottles and as expected, none of them tasted anything, the 50% was the best one but it was still a faint taste, but I could taste it a bit, definitely more than any lower percentages.

I also tried one of my favorite purchased ejuice with the same tank and same atomizer without even rinsing it and it tasted great.
So there's no doubt about it, with my hardware, the FA Melon juice and Strawberry juice is tasteless.

I'm going to give up on FA flavors for now until I get the best dripping hardware I can find.

Okay I just tried the LA Peach at 20% flavor and it tastes a bit.
It feels similar to the 50% Melon without the slight chemical taste.
Even if I didn't know it was Peach, I think there's enough flavor to tell that this juice is Peach flavored, which is a good start!

I'm a bit skeptical about the 10% bottles since the 20% only tastes a little but I'll give them a try too, after i'm done with the 20% bottles.

Looks like I have no choice but to go with dripping, i'll try higher percentages of LA flavors eventually but for now, I got a lot of test bottles to vape.
I think next Monday I'll create the thread about getting the best dripping equipment and compatibility with my current mod but until then i'll search and read as much information as I can.

 

[Ales Simunic]

I was a long time "taste chaser". When I first started vaping it was driving me insane just like some of you here. I was mixing high, mixing low, doing everything in my power to get the taste I wanted and it just didn't happen. It went so far I was constantly trying vapes from my friends who also vaped and all of their stuff tasted so much better than mine. And when they tried mine, they said I was crazy. But then one of my friends also started vaping and cause he was new to it, asked me to mix him some juice. I gave him some of my mixtures and after a few days asked him if he likes them. He was very satisfied with taste. After I tried it from him, the taste was so much better than in my gear (and we had the same gear and same ejuice inside).

And then I started thinking, that this could actually be a pshicologial thing. Started reading about it. Found very little. But what I did find was, that vapers tongue is also mainly a mental problem. It's like you subconsensly (I know the word is written wrong, sorry not a native speaker) decide that this will not taste good and it actually can make you think that.

Anyway to shorten the post, I stopped worrying and obsessing about this and what do you know, a few weeks later my juices started tasting normal. And the funny thing is that after a while they started tasting to strong. Now I can only smoke tobacco flavours all day long and even those at 0.5 to 1% FA flavours. If go above or use a sweet taste, I can smoke it for a tank or two and it becomes to strong for me.

It may not be the same problem as the OP, but I thought it might give another perspective on the topic.

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[JMC17]

I was a long time "taste chaser". When I first started vaping it was driving me insane just like some of you here. I was mixing high, mixing low, doing everything in my power to get the taste I wanted and it just didn't happen. It went so far I was constantly trying vapes from my friends who also vaped and all of their stuff tasted so much better than mine. And when they tried mine, they said I was crazy.

I feel like this is similar to the question: Is my red color the same as your red color?
There's definitely a psychological/biological factor but since I can't test that, I try to just ignore that variable.
I've noticed that, by vaping in the morning I get more taste out of the juices.
In the evening, the same ejuice just doesn't taste as much.
Although most of my tests have been done in the morning so that's not really a factor here.
I believe that's the actual Vapor's tongue syndrome, I'd say they taste at least 20% less.

I did managed to get some flavor out of the LA flavors so that helps.
The Cheesecake from LA and the Blueberry tastes more than anything else i've mixed so far and they're only 20%
I'm excited to try them at 50% to see how much more they taste but I have to finish vaping my test bottles first!

I'll get the best dripping equipment for flavor and we'll see what happens.
If it still doesn't taste like anything after that, then there's definitely something wrong with me.

It may not be the same problem as the OP, but I thought it might give another perspective on the topic.

And i'm glad you posted your perspective, right now i'm grabbing as much information as possible.
I test everything as thoroughly as I can, I remain objective and write everything down.

I'm not used to personal preferences, imo things are either this, or that.
I can understand preferences when it comes to liking a taste, some like tobacco, some don't.
Some people likes Menthol and others don't.
That I understand, but when it comes to hardware and ejuice strength, I would have thought that these things would be more straightforward.

Either the hardware produce less or more vapor, they either allow more flavor through or loses it.
It seems to be quantifiable, the size of the coil, the metal used, the size of the juice flows, the wattage and resistance.. Those are all things that can be tested and rated. Those things should not be personal preference but a mechanical advantage/disadvantage. If you need more vapor, use "x" coil, if you need more flavor, use "y" coil.

Unfortunately, for one reason or another, there doesn't seem to be any consensus.
Instead we're left to "try it by yourself", which can be quite frustrating and costly!

I'm hoping to get to the bottom of this so that I can then share my experience and maybe help someone that is going through the same problem as I am but doesn't have as much time to spend on it.
So far I can say that putting more flavor in your ejuice will NOT mute the flavor but increase it, at least for FA flavors. I wouldn't be surprised if it works similarly to the "gain" for volume or color calibration for screens, meaning that the more flavor you put in, the more it tastes but you lose the finer details. That would make more sense.

 

[mcclintock]

There is a complex relationship between the gear and technique. I may not like the higher power because I have to force myself to use an unfamiliar technique that will probably stay that way as it is unlikely I would be able to handle it full time even if I were drawn to it. A good technique for tight draw, true MTL gear (<10 watts) is to let in a bit of air around the mouthpiece, increasing condensation and turbulence.

Perception of flavors improves as one gets away from smoking. Don't vape buckets of flavoring if it's not really working. It's funny, I used to buy a Marlboro type flavor and wished it were stronger, now when I use that flavor myself I need less than a drop of flavoring per bottle and need dilution methods to even mix it. It's not linear -- when you're ready for half as flavored, you need 1/4 or even 1/10 as much to get down to that, because the flavoring becomes more efficient.

 

[mcclintock]

The misunderstood thing about the importance of flavors is how they enhance throat hit and the sensation of vaping. Maybe there is a loss of even that if you can't taste it, but I doubt it, although it's less immersive. I like coming up with a flavor with definite throat hit yet subtle taste. So perhaps think about sensation, not just taste.

As to combinations, this is going to be harder also, I sometimes taste a single flavor one day and suddenly realize it goes with something else I vaped a long time ago.

A method on the Flavor Art site is to mix pure flavors by smell. Presumably you would need to keep track, and then measure off part of the mixture to make your actual juice.

 

[Carl2]

I just bought a tangerine to compare a tangerine e liquid, this is after trying the flavor in different tanks with different atomizers. I'd say the real tangerine offered a flavor, at least a million or billions of times stronger, most things in the body are logarithmic and taste probably is also.
I had watched quite a few demonstrations on how your vision tricks your brain, what you actually see vs what your brain thinks it sees because the light receptors get fatigued.

 

[JMC17]

There is a complex relationship between the gear and technique.

Absolutely, that is why, after much consideration, I will get some dripping equipment.
If I can avoid making my own coils/atomizers and still get a fantastic experience, that's what i'll do.

I like coming up with a flavor with definite throat hit yet subtle taste. So perhaps think about sensation, not just taste.

Oh yeah, that is why I vape a lot of menthol. Since only a few ejuices are strong enough to get through my tank and still taste something, I tend to like menthol a lot. I don't necessarily taste the menthol but I do feel the sensation that it provides, which is a cold sensation.

I just bought a tangerine to compare a tangerine e liquid, this is after trying the flavor in different tanks with different atomizers. I'd say the real tangerine offered a flavor, at least a million or billions of times stronger, most things in the body are logarithmic and taste probably is also.

While I admit nothing beats the flavor from biting into an apple, the ejuices flavored with apple flavoring can still taste extremely strong if you drip it on your tongue.
A lot of the artificial flavoring tastes absolutely fantastic but in my case, when it goes through my tank and becomes vapor, it loses most of its taste.

After reading some articles and comments about dripping and atomizers, I feel like my hardware is what's wrong.
Maybe there are better tanks and atomizers than what I've got but everyone seems to agree that dripping is a flavorful experience and that most tank users that tries dripping never goes back.

 

[Carl2]

You have rebuildable drip and rebuildable tank atomizers
I'm using the RTA which lets me make coils and do the wicking. I actually bought another vape unit because I wanted a spare, I found the tanks were interchangeable both are 22 mm, it didn't take long to realize the newer Eleaf tank provided much better flavor. There are a few tanks out there known for providing good flavor.
I'm not sure what you are using for a vaping unit, I use the temp mode and am generally at 370 F. I'm wondering what you are doing for atomizers and hoping that you change atomizers when you change flavors.

 

[JMC17]

I'm not sure what you are using for a vaping unit, I use the temp mode and am generally at 370 F. I'm wondering what you are doing for atomizers and hoping that you change atomizers when you change flavors.

I'm using the dreaded Vaporfi equipment. I'm using the Vox 60 TC mod, I have a vSix tank, a vShock tank and a Viper tank. Depending on the atomizer, I usually vape at 175c(347F) and using between 40W to 50W (Sometimes 30W on my vShock since anything higher burns the juice faster than it gets soaked up and I end up taking a dry hit)

For the Viper tank, I have 5 types of atomizers (Bought them all to test the difference, couldn't see the difference with the test i've done, I used a juice that was rapidly losing taste, in hopes to revive it)

I have Ni200 0.2ohm, Stainless Steel 316L 0.2ohm, Kanthal 0.25ohm, Kanthal 0.5ohm, Kanthal 1.2ohm

As for my usage, every night I put the atomizers that I used during the day in a water bath, in the morning, I take them out of the bath and let them dry during the day.
I'm swimming in atomizers right now so I basically don't use them two days in a row.

When it comes to vaping, I prime them, by dropping quite a lot of ejuice in the center, then I put about 3 to 4 drops on each windows. I fill my tank then assemble the thing, I let the wick soak up for about 2 to 10 mins and then I start vaping.

I usually change atomizer when changing flavor, but only when I'm still trying to get some flavor. These days, i'm quite bummed so I just don't care anymore, I fill my tank with my tasteless tests and vape away, sometimes i'll put some menthol in it if I get really depressed from the tasteless juice.

I probably should start vaping my purchased ejuices again since I have no more tests on the way. I'm literally just impatiently waiting to get dripping hardware.

 

[Carl2]

My 32 gauge wire just arrived so I'll be trying to make a sturdy coil similar to what I had before that will deliver some flavor. Makes me think of the days of smoking a cig when the maker talked about the rich tobacco flavor and we would always joke about what does tobacco taste like.
Anyways I did try to find the temp that the glycerin vaporizes at but it depends on what it is derived from.
Sugar is going to form carbon at 350 F so it looks like we are stuck with changing atomizers.
I'm pretty sure chemistry has methods to extract flavors and deliver them to foods but to deliver flavor to a vapor is another thing. Tobacco is my main flavor of interest and I'm finding the RY4 to be something I like. If I were to work with something I'd go with the tobacco because I puff on that more than anything else.
A few months and I'll probably be trying to make my own liquid guess I'll use .e-liq.com