My First Mod - Down and dirty! Couldn

[capecodjim]

Wow! Thanks for the education here in these forums and this board especially!


I'm making a "Puck" but couldn't wait for the 901 atty's to come in so I started tinkering....

I made the "Down and dirty" Named that because it only has three parts: battery holder, switch, alligator clip and only three solder joints.

I took a 4 AA battery holder, soldered an alligator clip to the negative terminal, soldered one switch leg to the positive terminal and the other leg to a thin piece of wire.

The thin piece of wire fits right in the tiny hole in an atty from my Smoke51 Trio (not sure what kind of atty it is) and then the atty gets clipped in the alligator clip.

Done!!

I know nothing about atty's and wanted something that could fire up any atty w/o any mods... Now I have to figure out how to feed it juice... lol

I tried it with 4 rechargeable batteries and it tasted a little burned at 4.8v so I took out one battery and put in a jumper... works great at 3.6v.

Nothing earth shattering but fun to work on and educational.... I got the confidence to experiment form this forum and I'll be tinkering more with this and other projects!.. The first of many, I'm sure!

Thanks to those who make this a great forum!



I tried to post some pics but can't figure out how... will only let me put in a url for uploading and won't upload from my computer.. so I put them in a folder in my profile if you wanna take a look!


Update: Not getting much volume out of it... not even as much as with the stock 240mAh battery... I'm using 3x 2500 mAh ni_mh rechargeable. hmmmmmm... more tinkering... I need some low nicotine juice for testing... lol

update: The draw was too easy so I put tape over the air holes. They're kinda big on this atty and covered when on the stock battery with smaller holes on the rim. Now this mod works killer!! Nice big vaporful hits!! Fun stuff!! Got some new flavors coming soon... can't wait to try them!

 

[WillyB]

 

[asdaq]

Somehow this is actually appealing in a deconstructive sort of way. Funny about the smoke51 atty being a mystery, I saw them at a mall and the sales guy had no idea either, only new what their website was. I'd wager the 901 will taste better at 4.8 .

If you'd stick a smaller alligator clip on there and try a thicker solid core wire, this thing would be more durable and reliable than you'd think.

 

[ThePuck]

Somehow this is actually appealing in a deconstructive sort of way. Funny about the smoke51 atty being a mystery, I saw them at a mall and the sales guy had no idea either, only new what their website was. I'd wager the 901 will taste better at 4.8 .

If you'd stick a smaller alligator clip on there and try a thicker solid core wire, this thing would be more durable and reliable than you'd think.

The 901 will work perfectly and you will love it with the 4.8 volts. Thats what i use and what the Puck was designed around. What you have built is the "Survivor mod".

 

[capecodjim]

Thanks for help with the pic WillyB!

asdaq... "deconstructive" is a word often used to describe my work!!! I didn't think the smaller clip would work but I'll try one... I removed the long part of this clip to streamline... Only the thin wire would fit in the 51 atty but I put a drop of solder 1/8" down for atty's with a larger hole.... It's so thin not even an LED leg would fit inside.

Thanks Puck! I should have the 901's today or tomorrow... looking forward to giving it a try!! The "Survivor' is a good name for it...

Now I'm thinking if I could get a little squeeze tube the same size as an AA battery I could position the atty right a above and needle feed juice in from the bottom....

Maybe modify the holder of the negative terminal to hold the atty and place an insulated needle up through the center to supply positive voltage to the atty too... I've read a bunch of mod threads and product reviews but haven't seen it mentioned whether the needle can supply voltage as well as juice..... can't wait to get more parts and try some things!

 

[asdaq]

Yes, power and juice together. Juice is non conductive, but it is messy. And if it goes up the needle and into the atty, it's going to dribble right back down too, so you might want to have things more contained and stable for that part of the show

 

[capecodjim]

You guys were right!! The 901 at 4.8v is awesome!!! Not sure how a pv could produce better vapor...

asdaq... "And if it goes up the needle and into the atty, it's going to dribble right back down too,"... good point!! My thought was to go right through the atty and into the cart fiber...

total noob here.... I should see how atty's are made before my mind wanders too much.... lots of research and experimentation to do... the ease and success of my Puck is a great motivator!!

 

[Nobodyatall]

Kool mod Jim! I like the minimalist look. If it looks funky but works well, that's still better than looking perfect and not working. I've thougth about doing something similar to see just how cheaply a PV can be made.

Clever, the way you used the aligator clip!

/salute

 

[capecodjim]

Kool mod Jim! I like the minimalist look. If it looks funky but works well, that's still better than looking perfect and not working. I've thougth about doing something similar to see just how cheaply a PV can be made.

Clever, the way you used the aligator clip!

/salute

Thanks Nobody! I wanted to keep it simple and flexible. I started to think about parts placement and didn't want to run wires to put the switch or atty inside or attached on the side... down and dirty was they way to go!

I figured the alligator clip would hold any size atty w/o adapters etc... soldering it right to the terminal was obvious once I started fooling around. Just sticking the positive wire in the atty hole made sense too.... a little bend or lump of solder 1/8" down and it will fit any atty. It's also a nice little set up to quickly test differnt types of atty's...


UPDATE RE: Needle feeding from bottom:

I tried to needle feed juice into the cart fiber through the bottom of the atty with a cart filling syringe needle. I was able to get the needle through the atty (at an angle at the top of the 4081, not puncturing the mesh tip) and into the fiber... when I hit the switch it got warm but no vapor... I think I was shorting out the positive inner part contact with the negative mesh up top and heating the needle, not the addy... back to the drawing board..... hmmm a non conducting heat resistant needle... carbon fiber anyone? maybe I can insulate it at the top or something... I only have a couple atty's and didn't wanna risk ruining one just now..... I'ill experiment further when I get more atty's.... or when i get restless....

 

[ThePuck]

Thanks Nobody! I wanted to keep it simple and flexible. I started to think about parts placement and didn't want to run wires to put the switch or atty inside or attached on the side... down and dirty was they way to go!

I figured the alligator clip would hold any size atty w/o adapters etc... soldering it right to the terminal was obvious once I started fooling around. Just sticking the positive wire in the atty hole made sense too.... a little bend or lump of solder 1/8" down and it will fit any atty. It's also a nice little set up to quickly test differnt types of atty's...


UPDATE RE: Needle feeding from bottom:

I tried to needle feed juice into the cart fiber through the bottom of the atty with a cart filling syringe needle. I was able to get the needle through the atty (at an angle at the top of the 4081, not puncturing the mesh tip) and into the fiber... when I hit the switch it got warm but no vapor... I think I was shorting out the positive inner part contact with the negative mesh up top and heating the needle, not the addy... back to the drawing board..... hmmm a non conducting heat resistant needle... carbon fiber anyone? maybe I can insulate it at the top or something... I only have a couple atty's and didn't wanna risk ruining one just now..... I'ill experiment further when I get more atty's.... or when i get restless....

Some have used a teflon tube to feed into the atty so no metal contact is made. It doesn't have to go through the mesh. just up to the cup. You can squirt the juice up through the bottom and it will get picked up.

 

[Poppa D]

Do not leave home with that on you, that is a dangerous looking nose picker there.

 

[capecodjim]

Some have used a teflon tube to feed into the atty so no metal contact is made. It doesn't have to go through the mesh. just up to the cup. You can squirt the juice up through the bottom and it will get picked up.

Hmmmm.... my thought is to avoid trying to fill the cup and the potential of messy overflow by delivering juice right into the cart fiber... but through the atty so it's simple and unobtrusive... I could encase the needle in a teflon tube and the cartridge wouldn't need any mod.... when you put it on, the needle would hit the fiber... when it gets dry, just squeeze the bottle a little.... if the bottle were vented a little the suction might keep the fiber constantly wet....or be enough for some kind of drip system... I'm gonna need some might thin teflon tubing... lol... I need to cut an atty in half or find a cross section to see where I need to avoid, I couldn't tell from the rebuilding thread and pics..... off to look for my roll of teflon tape....

yes, Puck, I've gone over to the NI-MH side.... note the tribute in my signature!!


Poppa D... yes, but it removes those unsightly nasal hairs while you vape!!

 

[asdaq]

Jim, with bottom feeding it's enough to have the needle just going a bit into the bottom of the atty and supplying power and juice. If you wet the mesh it will get to the coil and you can vape. By puncturing the whole atty you are certainly shorting the atty and probably pushing things around that shouldn't. The cart doesn't need the juice, the coil does.

With top feeding, you have a flexible tube (like plastic) outside the atty that goes into a small hole in the cart either wetting the filler or dripping on the coil itself.

With the clip and wire you've got two connections to worry about, with feeding there's a third. At some point it would be good to solidify one, two or all three with a connector of some sort.

If you give a thirsty man an enema, you'll just make him mad

 

[capecodjim]

Thanks asdaq.... I want to top feed a stock cart from the bottom!!

Exterior top feeding tubes make the units look frail, more complicated and not very portable. Bottom feeding can overflow and get messy. I'm just looking for a simple way to wet the cart fiber occasionally or top feed w/o an exterior tube. The only benefit of the exterior tube is that you can monitor the flow. If you're delivering the the cart fiber, you don't have to monitor, just keep it wet.

The MrPuffer Looks pretty cool but I still don't like the exterior tube. I has a stock atty and a moded cart.

"If you give a thirsty man an enema, you'll just make him mad " - If you give any man an enema, you'll just make him mad!!

 

[Poppa D]

I think if you incorporate the e2 carto with a bottom tube feeder you could have what you are looking for.

 

[asdaq]

Yeah good bottom feeding does away with the need for a cart altogether, just needs a mouthpiece so as not to burn the lips

Also, that top feeding tube can be done flush and right along the atty.

 

[capecodjim]

I think if you incorporate the e2 carto with a bottom tube feeder you could have what you are looking for.

I'm not sure what you mean... can you elaborate please! I know what a carto is and what bottom tube feeding is but not sure how they'd go together for this situation. Total noob here and a quick search of the forums didn't turn up much.... off to search more... I stumbled across the SUCKaTON and have to investigate that too....

UUPDATE: Found some great info on bottom tube feeding on the juice box tutorial

 

[Poppa D]

The E2 is an atomizer on a tube through the tank design. The tube is for air to flow up and through the atomizer which is wicking fluid out of the tank.
So, it would be very well suited for a bottom feeder due to its design.
If one took a tube into the connection center hole to a bottle and worked out the kinks I think it would deliver the juice directly to the atomizer.