My friends all still smoking...

[whitecat]

Hi! It will be two years as a vaper after a lifetime consumer of a 2pack a day compulsive chain smoker. But I am the only one of the countless folks who I have marched to the web or escorted into brick and mortar stores who have quit smoking. And I really believe the issue is that none of the devices regardless of price, deliver enough nicotine to satisfy the urge. They say "Wow! that sure aint no Marlboro!" I see silly utube videos showing grown-up people acting like 8 year olds blowing huge clouds and loving the taste of say, the "Bubble Gum" The object for me was to find something that satisfied my craving for the nicotine hit to the central nervous system. I could care less about the size of the cloud or the taste of the candy. I believe it is the nicotine hit that is missing. Some folks tried to start off with 3 mgms of nicotine and then an hour later stopped at a Seven 11 to buy a pack of Pall Malls on the way home from the vape Store. I did this for nearly five years...
Then, a couple of years ago some prince of a guy posted a comment that ecigs deliver nicotine though the lining of the mouth first and to hold the vapor for a few seconds in your mouth before inhaling. Guess what? It works!! So all I am saying is that to start a chain smoker off with 3 mgms of nicotine and not give the advice to hold in in your mouth first is to doom more than a few to failure.. I am the only success story I know of all my friends who have tried.. It is the nicotine hit to the brain that is the root of the failure

 

[r77r7r]

Some who fail the first time come back. Newcomers forum gets several each week. They don't always change how they do things, they are just more committed. Still, good post to give someone something to think about.

 

[LilWhiteClouder]

Hi! It will be two years as a vaper after a lifetime consumer of a 2pack a day compulsive chain smoker. But I am the only one of the countless folks who I have marched to the web or escorted into brick and mortar stores who have quit smoking. And I really believe the issue is that none of the devices regardless of price, deliver enough nicotine to satisfy the urge. They say "Wow! that sure aint no Marlboro!" I see silly utube videos showing grown-up people acting like 8 year olds blowing huge clouds and loving the taste of say, the "Bubble Gum" The object for me was to find something that satisfied my craving for the nicotine hit to the central nervous system. I could care less about the size of the cloud or the taste of the candy. I believe it is the nicotine hit that is missing. Some folks tried to start off with 3 mgms of nicotine and then an hour later stopped at a Seven 11 to buy a pack of Pall Malls on the way home from the Vape Store. I did this for nearly five years...
Then, a couple of years ago some prince of a guy posted a comment that ecigs deliver nicotine though the lining of the mouth first and to hold the vapor for a few seconds in your mouth before inhaling. Guess what? It works!! So all I am saying is that to start a chain smoker off with 3 mgms of nicotine and not give the advice to hold in in your mouth first is to doom more than a few to failure.. I am the only success story I know of all my friends who have tried.. It is the nicotine hit to the brain that is the root of the failure

The main reason to recommend beginner setups with higher nic content juice. Subohming huge clouds is the fad. Low wattage, high resistance vaping on high mg juice is the tool to fix a log habit... great post!

 

[Cheallaigh]

it worked for you which is great, just keep in mind, what works for one doesn't always work for another.

.5 ohms, with 6mg nic, direct to lung inhale, and peach and other candy flavours worked for myself and my hubby...

i tried high ohms, and holding it in my mouth, even blowing it through my nose... every vaper has a style and if it works, it's great.

 

[gandymarsh]

Welcome to ECF!

People are "Creatures of habit". They fear and despise change. They only change when they're highly motivated to do so and, more often than not, that motivation has to be internal.

I agree though, that starting with low nicotine levels is a recipe for failure. Nicotine absorption from vaping is much slower than from smoking. A person needs to vape differently than they smoked.

Most people think they want something that looks like, tastes like and smells like a cigarette. They also want that instant gratification that a cigarette provides. Smoking is a physical addiction but it's also a psychological addiction.

I'm not a fan of the "Cloud Chucking" crowd either but "To each his/her own".

 

[motordude]

Welcome!
I'm glad that you found what works for you!
There is a lot of different styles of vaping on this forum.
Each person is different in their own unique way.

 

[Grimwald]

Most smokers need throat hit and higher nicotine levels at first...along with a tighter cigarette-like draw.

Years ago I had several people switching or dual using because they could vape at work and in bars. When the ANTZ got vapings bans in place, they all went back to smoking. A real shame.

 

[LMS62]

.....and here we go again.

 

[Frenchfry1942]

My first bottle of juice had 36mg of Nic. I got confidence in vaping in about 4 hours. Not-surprisingly, I went out and bought 24mg juice that same day.

I got my Nic hit.

 

[daviedog]

Hi! It will be two years as a vaper after a lifetime consumer of a 2pack a day compulsive chain smoker. But I am the only one of the countless folks who I have marched to the web or escorted into brick and mortar stores who have quit smoking. And I really believe the issue is that none of the devices regardless of price, deliver enough nicotine to satisfy the urge. They say "Wow! that sure aint no Marlboro!" I see silly utube videos showing grown-up people acting like 8 year olds blowing huge clouds and loving the taste of say, the "Bubble Gum" The object for me was to find something that satisfied my craving for the nicotine hit to the central nervous system. I could care less about the size of the cloud or the taste of the candy. I believe it is the nicotine hit that is missing. Some folks tried to start off with 3 mgms of nicotine and then an hour later stopped at a Seven 11 to buy a pack of Pall Malls on the way home from the Vape Store. I did this for nearly five years...
Then, a couple of years ago some prince of a guy posted a comment that ecigs deliver nicotine though the lining of the mouth first and to hold the vapor for a few seconds in your mouth before inhaling. Guess what? It works!! So all I am saying is that to start a chain smoker off with 3 mgms of nicotine and not give the advice to hold in in your mouth first is to doom more than a few to failure.. I am the only success story I know of all my friends who have tried.. It is the nicotine hit to the brain that is the root of the failure

That's why you have to enlighten your friends.
24 mg/ 70% PG.
Just the jolt to kick the Monkey..

 

[LouisLeBeau]

Hi! It will be two years as a vaper after a lifetime consumer of a 2pack a day compulsive chain smoker. But I am the only one of the countless folks who I have marched to the web or escorted into brick and mortar stores who have quit smoking. And I really believe the issue is that none of the devices regardless of price, deliver enough nicotine to satisfy the urge. They say "Wow! that sure aint no Marlboro!" I see silly utube videos showing grown-up people acting like 8 year olds blowing huge clouds and loving the taste of say, the "Bubble Gum" The object for me was to find something that satisfied my craving for the nicotine hit to the central nervous system. I could care less about the size of the cloud or the taste of the candy. I believe it is the nicotine hit that is missing. Some folks tried to start off with 3 mgms of nicotine and then an hour later stopped at a Seven 11 to buy a pack of Pall Malls on the way home from the Vape Store. I did this for nearly five years...
Then, a couple of years ago some prince of a guy posted a comment that ecigs deliver nicotine though the lining of the mouth first and to hold the vapor for a few seconds in your mouth before inhaling. Guess what? It works!! So all I am saying is that to start a chain smoker off with 3 mgms of nicotine and not give the advice to hold in in your mouth first is to doom more than a few to failure.. I am the only success story I know of all my friends who have tried.. It is the nicotine hit to the brain that is the root of the failure

Hi @whitecat , and welcome to the forum!

That was the wisdom I always understood about vaping. I had read an article someone pointed to about the vapor being too large to be absorbed by the lungs, the way that smoke does, and it only is effective as being absorbed through the mucus membranes, which are more mouth/throat/nasal cavity.

Upper respiratory inhaling only is as effective I would think then, as lung inhaling. Maybe more?

I would also think any concerns about diketones in flavoring also pretty much go away. Most ex-smokers, myself included, prefer the direct imitation of inhaling. I like to savor the bubble gum, so it gets plenty of mucus exposure.

 

[vapdivrr]

I would if never quit cigs if I started out doing DL on low nic, but that wasn't really an option then, so I'm kind of grateful. Tight AF and 24mg did it for me easily after 1.5 pack a day for over 30 years , since then AF has increased a little but still doing 24 and sometimes 18mg and that has kept me where I want to be. Last year I bought a sub ohm tank with big air and tried low nic juice doing DL inhales and in order for my nic craving to be met, I had to vape and vape and vape, literally I had to chain vape and use much more juice and was much more of an effort , besides the fact that I sounded like a vacuum cleaner and looked kind of silly blowing out huge amounts of vapor . So personally, when I try to get someone into vaping, I tell them to purchase a mtl device with high nic because imo that mimics what they have been use to. To go from cigs to massive devices , massive air, and low nic doesn't seem the best way to start, but everyone is different and what worked for me might not work for others

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[Cheallaigh]

ahh but i am low nic and sub ohming... if i wasn't sub ohming i probably would have needed a lot higher nic and failed as i didn't like the sensation of feeling like i was trying to inhale through a straw.. the topbox mini kit isn't massive either. i had good advice from a shop owner who i've known 10 years, he knew what we needed and got us setup for our needs. not everyone is the same. only offering MtL to the people trying to quit, is going to set up some to fail, you need to offer towards how they smoke... NOT just your preferences.

 

[yvaiwhy]

I used to smoke about 2 packs of Marlboro reds a day and one fine day I thought I'll throw it away and start vaping. Never looked back. Did try a cigarette once after 2 months of vaping and trust me it wasn't a pleasant taste. Started on a target mini but that lasted for a week and did some basics with mechs and now on an avid lyfe able with a goon sub ohming around 0.10 - 0.07 [emoji4]


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[Walt42]

high resistance vaping on high mg juice is the tool to fix a long habit

Fixed it and agree 100%, if you are used to puffing all the time then high nic and a higher resistance than a sub ohm is the way to go.

 

[djsvapour]

The Vaping industry doesn't care if people vape 3mg when they are trying to quit smoking. They just wanna sell a ton of juice, expensive coils & tanks and 220w box mods.

Given the pioneers of Vaping often used 24mg or 36mg liquid to quit the smokes, the idea that 3mg can work without multiplying the power by 10 times of old-tech hardware is kind of hopeful.

Sad that folks are buying all this kit and then still getting cravings. Vapers shouldn't need to resort to unusual inhaling techniques to stop smoking. They just need a device capable of delivering enough Nicotine.
That might be 48mg in a dreadful tobacco-company vanity stick or 6/12mg mildly into sub-ohm territory (17-30 watts).

I knew a lady who was given 6mg to start Vaping using a 7 watt device. One year later, she was still smoking and paying $7 for 10ml.
I gave her some 18mg ($3.20) and within 2 weeks it was all over, she'd quit forever.

Funny old world.

 

[yvaiwhy]

The Vaping industry doesn't care if people vape 3mg when they are trying to quit smoking. They just wanna sell a ton of juice, expensive coils & tanks and 220w box mods.

Given the pioneers of Vaping often used 24mg or 36mg liquid to quit the smokes, the idea that 3mg can work without multiplying the power by 10 times of old-tech hardware is kind of hopeful.

Sad that folks are buying all this kit and then still getting cravings. Vapers shouldn't need to resort to unusual inhaling techniques to stop smoking. They just need a device capable of delivering enough Nicotine.
That might be 48mg in a dreadful tobacco-company vanity stick or 6/12mg mildly into sub-ohm territory (17-30 watts).

I knew a lady who was given 6mg to start Vaping using a 7 watt device. One year later, she was still smoking and paying $7 for 10ml.
I gave her some 18mg ($3.20) and within 2 weeks it was all over, she'd quit forever.

Funny old world.

And then there's will power too. I know one too many guys who bought starter kits but didn't just couldn't cut off cigs all together. And most of them smoking Camel Lights [emoji23] I quit just like that from 2 packs Marlboro reds a day to 6mg ejuice [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]


Caution, vapes hot [emoji23]

 

[BrotherBob]

Hi! It will be two years as a vaper after a lifetime consumer of a 2pack a day compulsive chain smoker. But I am the only one of the countless folks who I have marched to the web or escorted into brick and mortar stores who have quit smoking. And I really believe the issue is that none of the devices regardless of price, deliver enough nicotine to satisfy the urge. They say "Wow! that sure aint no Marlboro!" I see silly utube videos showing grown-up people acting like 8 year olds blowing huge clouds and loving the taste of say, the "Bubble Gum" The object for me was to find something that satisfied my craving for the nicotine hit to the central nervous system. I could care less about the size of the cloud or the taste of the candy. I believe it is the nicotine hit that is missing. Some folks tried to start off with 3 mgms of nicotine and then an hour later stopped at a Seven 11 to buy a pack of Pall Malls on the way home from the Vape Store. I did this for nearly five years...
Then, a couple of years ago some prince of a guy posted a comment that ecigs deliver nicotine though the lining of the mouth first and to hold the vapor for a few seconds in your mouth before inhaling. Guess what? It works!! So all I am saying is that to start a chain smoker off with 3 mgms of nicotine and not give the advice to hold in in your mouth first is to doom more than a few to failure.. I am the only success story I know of all my friends who have tried.. It is the nicotine hit to the brain that is the root of the failure

Welcome and glad you joined. Lets hope some of those smoking will see the light.
Might like to visit:
Tips for Beginners – DIY OR DIE
The Vape Book
Could read the stickies in this forum:
DIY E-Liquid

 

[attackofthejack]

im reading through all this and im like "wtf is an ohm?"; in any case quitting smoking is never easy and no matter what you use its going to be an adjustment imo; there has to be some level of determination and adaption involved. i went from dip to smoking to the patch to smoking to dip to smoking to dip to vape. also; trying to end an addiction is usually fraught with lapses and relapses...

 

[Eskie]

im reading through all this and im like "... is an ohm?"; in any case quitting smoking is never easy and no matter what you use its going to be an adjustment imo; there has to be some level of determination and adaption involved. i went from dip to smoking to the patch to smoking to dip to smoking to dip to vape. also; trying to end an addiction is usually fraught with lapses and relapses...

Quite true about lapses. I once stopped for several years. Then I thought, well, it's been so long, I can have just one as a social smoke (bar, drink, smoke all went together too well). Bang, right back to a pack and a half a day. Now I've made it over a year with vaping. One real difference with vaping over past methods, whether patches, gum, cold turkey, is it changes the appeal of a cigarette as vaping is just way more pleasant. With enough nic and the habit of inhaling and seeing vapor, smoking loses its appeal, at least for me.

Yes, I did start out high nic, mtl tight draw. Now I'm more of a restricted DL (not all that restricted but not cloud chasing) with 6 mg nic and mid-power range. I still use my higher nic mtl little vape when stealth is needed, or just not much time to vape and it can hold me longer without another puff. But I do enjoy my DLish flavorful vape when I can sit and relax with it.