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Who gives a new vaper that smokes 3mg nicotine!? Most of the shops (here anyways) give smokers 18 or 12. Vaping will never be able to give you the same taste or even the same nicotine buzz that burning tobacco will. You still have to want to quit in order for vaping to work. Everybody is different, what works for me is fruity flavors and sometimes blowing a cloud (not in public).
Choices are the key, no doubt, but I think the set up to fail would go more towards giving someone an air tank , DL, hi wattage, and low nic if they were a smoker for many years. Unlike years ago, there are more options , which I think is great and have no issues with because everyone is different indeed
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I have found that you can show a smoker all about Vaping but you can't make them give up the killer sticks. They have to want it! My GF gave up smoking a few years before I did and now I have more MOD's and tanks then I ever thought I would own while up until recently she was still using the cig-a-likes. I recently got her using the myJET and she said just last night how the draw was much better but refilling the POD's is kind of a PIA. A MOD and a nice tank is next but you need to persuade people slowly until they get the shinyitis!
umm what part of saying a MtL setup was wrong for my type...? seriously, MtL made me feel like i was trying to suck through a straw... when you are a DL smoker, MtL setup is wrong... why is that so hard to understand or accept?
I didn't focus that answer particularly on you, but in general. Most smokers will find it odd to come from cigarettes to a mod that has 2 or more batteries with a massive 6ml tank that feels like your suckling thru a garden hose directly into your lungs with very low nic. Yes alot have probably done it because maybe they had no choice, in that maybe that's what they were sold or they weren't much of a smoker to begin with, or maybe they are just into tricks and clouds. All I'm saying, really, is that a mtl tank with hi nic and tighter AF is going to make a better transition to most smokers starting to vape.
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i was a smoker for over 30 years same with my hubby... seriously the blanketing is really not encouraging.
As an unashamed cloud-chaser i've gone from 36mg to zero nicotine. When you stop smoking you definitely need higher nic, and i've even heard of people on plane flights rubbing e-liquid on their gums to cope with long-haul trips.
To my knowledge there's no scientific evidence that nicotine is addictive on its own, but only when combined with all the other stuff in cigarettes and only when burned.
What i do know is that when i transitioned from smoking to vaping i nearly coughed a lung up because i was not used to the vape and this was on a little cigalike thing. That's where the willpower comes in. Persevere for 2 days and then you can see the possibility to get off tobacco and decide from then what style of vaping you prefer.
Just be prepared for your preferences to change, because the flavours you first liked may not end up as your all-day-vape.
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To my knowledge there's no scientific evidence that nicotine is addictive on its own, but only when combined with all the other stuff in cigarettes and only when burned.
What i do know is that when i transitioned from smoking to vaping i nearly coughed a lung up because i was not used to the vape and this was on a little cigalike thing. That's where the willpower comes in. Persevere for 2 days and then you can see the possibility to get off tobacco and decide from then what style of vaping you prefer.
Just be prepared for your preferences to change, because the flavours you first liked may not end up as your all-day-vape.
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Not everyone's path is similar. What works for one may or may not work for another.
There are many options and the my way or the highway approach is, to say in the least offending way, is a set up to fail for some. If whatever method someone is using isn't working then a person is left with 2 options. Go back to cigs or change the delivery method. Which makes more sense to you ?
If the main reason for not being able to quit smoking is the lack of nicotine to the brain then why have so many of us failed using gum, patch's etc no matter how much friggin' gum we chewed ?
The advantage to some with using a lower nic may be that they have to vape more which keeps them busy.
For myself using a rda helped as I had to keep busy removing the top cap, squeezing juice on the wick, replacing lid on juice, and replacing top cap on the rda. Then temporary relief.
YMMV (your mileage may vary )
There are many options and the my way or the highway approach is, to say in the least offending way, is a set up to fail for some. If whatever method someone is using isn't working then a person is left with 2 options. Go back to cigs or change the delivery method. Which makes more sense to you ?
If the main reason for not being able to quit smoking is the lack of nicotine to the brain then why have so many of us failed using gum, patch's etc no matter how much friggin' gum we chewed ?
The advantage to some with using a lower nic may be that they have to vape more which keeps them busy.
For myself using a rda helped as I had to keep busy removing the top cap, squeezing juice on the wick, replacing lid on juice, and replacing top cap on the rda. Then temporary relief.
YMMV (your mileage may vary )
i'm allergic to the glue for the patches, i wasn't going to try that suicidal drug, the lozenges burnt my mouth same with the gum... i've quit smoking through vaping and damned happy about it. i needed that action between hand and mouth and vaping covers it as well as the nic intake.
I suppose there can be experts on smoking but I don't think there can be experts on smokers because there are too many variations. I stand with the smokers at work to socialize and to "normalize" vaping but don't talk about it unless asked. I've seen where some smokers have said they stopped smoking the moment they started vaping but I bet that's not the norm. I advise to start vaping on a very inexpensive device without trying to stop smoking to keep the pressure off. If it seems to be reducing smoking then consider a better rig. Then don't worry about smoking, just keep vaping. If you never stop vaping eventually you'll stop smoking. I was a dual user for 6 weels. A brother of mine dual used for 10 months. Vaping reduced my cigs 80% with no effort. Getting rid of the last of them was far far easier than cold turkey.
I dual used for 6 months !
Totally agree with keep vaping even if a person is dual using.
One thing I suggest to new vapers is before you light a cig to have a vape first. Think it helps to retrain the brain to reach for the vape not a cig. Often I found by doing this I would forget about lighting a cig, at least for while.
Totally agree with keep vaping even if a person is dual using.
One thing I suggest to new vapers is before you light a cig to have a vape first. Think it helps to retrain the brain to reach for the vape not a cig. Often I found by doing this I would forget about lighting a cig, at least for while.
I think you are taking this to personal the person said most people and I have to agree I smoked for 40 years and have been around a lot of smokers over the years and have meet one DTL smoker so the statement that MOST people would do better with high ohm/tight draw vape equipment and high nic is accurate.
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If the main reason for not being able to quit smoking is the lack of nicotine to the brain then why have so many of us failed using gum, patch's etc no matter how much friggin' gum we chewed ?
YMMV (your mileage may vary )[/QUOTE]
Yes I agree, nic alone doesn't do it, but once you add the vision of a vapor and the feeling of inhaling, then the nic becomes the dominate factor, at least imo, Some say it's not and that it's other chemicals in a cig that the body craves which maybe true for sure, but I know for me, it was high nic first, then the intense TH of inhaling, then the vision of something that looked like smoke.
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If the main reason for not being able to quit smoking is the lack of nicotine to the brain then why have so many of us failed using gum, patch's etc no matter how much friggin' gum we chewed ?
YMMV (your mileage may vary )[/QUOTE]
Yes I agree, nic alone doesn't do it, but once you add the vision of a vapor and the feeling of inhaling, then the nic becomes the dominate factor, at least imo, Some say it's not and that it's other chemicals in a cig that the body craves which maybe true for sure, but I know for me, it was high nic first, then the intense TH of inhaling, then the vision of something that looked like smoke.
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Well I'm going to agree with those who are stating "to each his/her own" when it comes to quitting. Some of us didn't expect to quit on day one, while others do. I went months with dual usage before I was convinced vaping could replace my smoking, that I knew enough about vaping to do it well, and that I'd found juices that I liked. Though I'd always smoked cigs in a MTL fashion I was well practised with DTL on other things and the DTL seemed natural to me with a vaporizer. But again each to their own.
I'd also agree with those saying higher nic is helpful to the actual quitting. With high nic is is easy to vape enough that the desire for a smoke is either eliminated or much reduced.
My only advice is don't try to quit cigs until you think you are ready and don't add pressure to yourself to do it any faster than that.
I'd also agree with those saying higher nic is helpful to the actual quitting. With high nic is is easy to vape enough that the desire for a smoke is either eliminated or much reduced.
My only advice is don't try to quit cigs until you think you are ready and don't add pressure to yourself to do it any faster than that.
I wish there was a simple answer to why some take to vaping and others do not. I trace my beginnings back to experimenting with crappy disposables, I had one which I think was actualy just PG no nic no flavoring (!) which ran low on juice before the battery dying so I refilled it with a friend's V2 chocolate and menthol. I thoroughly enjoyed that little piece of crap for about a half hour. It was a long way from an all day vaping solution but it didn't take anything fancy to plant the bug. I've set up friends with a nice EVOD and juice and they're still smoking... Back to my story, I quit vaping over a year because I thought it was causing a skin problem. Saw someone enjoying a vape and realized I was envious and had to try it again, even at risk of itching. I think the thing to emphasize is vaping is more enjoyable than smoking, and yet you're not trading smoking for an even greater addiction, the activity is "addictive" but chemically you're leaving most of that behind with whole tobacco.
I'm sorry if you answered this later on but I just had to ask.
I understand and whatever you needed at the time to help you but...
How did you manage to achieve smoking cigarettes with both low nicotine and direct lung hits?
I rolled my own a lot but I still could never make a cig low enough in nic for a direct lung hit.
i don't know, but deep direct inhales is how i always smoked and it is the same with vaping, i've never inhaled to my mouth and then into my lungs... i know a few others who are the same as me. maybe it's a by product of me swimming for 10 years.
I've introduced several people to vaping but I'm the only one that has completely quit so far (using 6-12mg at .5-1 ohm). I was determined to make it work though, my friends and relatives are (at this point) only mildly interested. You can lead a smoker to vaping but you can't make them quit.
I also attribute my success to being active on ecf and caring enough about it to not be afraid of the rabbit hole!
I also attribute my success to being active on ecf and caring enough about it to not be afraid of the rabbit hole!
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