Hi all! just started my vaping a few weeks back, I thought I did my research well, I watched tons of You tube videos and read the forums in here, but there is just so much new vapers need to know nobody seem to be telling about. I bought the Aspire nautilus mini as my first devise because everybody said the flavouring was great on it, and it was, I love it for the flavour, but at the same time it gave me a throath hit I allmost fell of my chair, with pain in my lungs for allmost an hour, I did not like it and I just couldn't continue vape on it, so back on cigs, next thing I bought a kanger subtank and the istick 30, I thought it would be better but the same thing there, couldn't vape it on any setting, the throat hit is unbarable for me, I recently found out that I probably only should vape max vg juices, because none, or only a slight throath hit. that seem ideal for me but I discovered that my tanks can't handle max vg very well, giving dry hits which btw is even worse than the throat hits. if I knew this from the begining I would have saved some cash instead of throwing it away on junk I can't use. I think most guys would just give up ecigs by now, but I will give it another go. I am now in the hunt for a sub tank that does not struggle with max vg juices. I do not like to build, I simply don't have time for it, would be thankful if someone could give me advise on tanks, flavour is important and a lots of vapor, I don't like hot vapor either.
My impressions as a first time vape dude, and advice pls
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Your kanger subtank should be just fine . I've read here if you take a needle and press it though the two wicking holes, it greatly helps with the higher vg juices. I plan on trying that myself.
Also check your nic levels .That has a lot to do with TH.
You 'upgraded' from mini Nautilus to Subtank thinking it would be better. Things often don't work out like that, so I'm sorry to hear your are finding things tough.
It took me over a month to get used to vaping, and I started with '3 watt' cig-a-likes. It took me over 2 years to get to mini Nautilus and 2.5 years to use a subtank.
Sadly, not everybody can tolerate vapor that easily and I often question the idea of vaping VG liquid to solve these problems. Maybe in your search for more vapor and flavor, you are just trying to run before you can walk. I'm 100% sure you will get to use your hardware (nothing wasted) - so stay calm about the prospect of "throwing (cash) away on junk"... you'll get to use these things, I'm sure.
Maybe take a few steps back... get a basic tank (and VG if you like) and start at the beginning where things are easier. Stay positive... find something that works for you, now and then re-visit these higher performance products.
It took me over a month to get used to vaping, and I started with '3 watt' cig-a-likes. It took me over 2 years to get to mini Nautilus and 2.5 years to use a subtank.
Sadly, not everybody can tolerate vapor that easily and I often question the idea of vaping VG liquid to solve these problems. Maybe in your search for more vapor and flavor, you are just trying to run before you can walk. I'm 100% sure you will get to use your hardware (nothing wasted) - so stay calm about the prospect of "throwing (cash) away on junk"... you'll get to use these things, I'm sure.
Maybe take a few steps back... get a basic tank (and VG if you like) and start at the beginning where things are easier. Stay positive... find something that works for you, now and then re-visit these higher performance products.
What nicotine level are you vaping at? From my experience nicotine is where most of your throat hit will come from. Higher pg and certain flavors also contribute. when i started the throat hit was close to inbearable as well, especially in the morning. I smoked for the first part of the day till maybe a lil b4 lunch then would vape the rest of the day. After awhile i was able to completely eliminate cigs.
Try less nicotine. Increase your water consumption. hot Coffee in the morning can help break up the flem from smoking to make it a little easier as well. Part of the problem may be damage to your throat from smoking that needs time to heal.
Good luck.
Try less nicotine. Increase your water consumption. hot Coffee in the morning can help break up the flem from smoking to make it a little easier as well. Part of the problem may be damage to your throat from smoking that needs time to heal.
Good luck.
Howdy, welcome to the ECF!
@dionysuskiss is right, the throat hit you're experiencing is probably from the nicotine if anything. What nic levels are your juice? Also, I've never tried it, but that advice for the poking through the Nautilus Mini holes might help a little bit.
Personally I've found that there's not really a tank that can keep up with high-VG juices besides older-school (lol, about a year old?) Genesis-style tanks. Never had a problem with VG there, but primarily because I'd use it in an "auto-dripper" kind of way, where you need tilt the mod to have the juice make contact with the wicks, etc... It's a bit more complicated than a Nautilus Mini.
The Kanger Subtank is okay with high-VG juices. If I take too long of a pull, I will get a dry hit. It helps to "prime" the wick a little by taking a puff without firing, just to suck juice into the wick.
Also -- What wattage setting are you vaping the Subtank at? I can't vape mine about 15 or 20W without getting a burnt hit. I read people talking about hitting theirs at 35+ and I don't understand it.
@dionysuskiss is right, the throat hit you're experiencing is probably from the nicotine if anything. What nic levels are your juice? Also, I've never tried it, but that advice for the poking through the Nautilus Mini holes might help a little bit.
Personally I've found that there's not really a tank that can keep up with high-VG juices besides older-school (lol, about a year old?) Genesis-style tanks. Never had a problem with VG there, but primarily because I'd use it in an "auto-dripper" kind of way, where you need tilt the mod to have the juice make contact with the wicks, etc... It's a bit more complicated than a Nautilus Mini.
The Kanger Subtank is okay with high-VG juices. If I take too long of a pull, I will get a dry hit. It helps to "prime" the wick a little by taking a puff without firing, just to suck juice into the wick.
Also -- What wattage setting are you vaping the Subtank at? I can't vape mine about 15 or 20W without getting a burnt hit. I read people talking about hitting theirs at 35+ and I don't understand it.
Standard tanks the hit is part PG and the other part Nic So I agree with this. If you go to Subtank, you might want to drop it more as well. Ive been using 12 mg nic in all my units, I went down to 8 with the subtank to get the same hit.
Even a 80vg only has a mild throat hit i cant tell the difference between max and 80 far as throat hit not enough difference to bother with. What nicotine level you vape it i find stuff gets smoother as you drop nic i cant even touch 18mg it chokes me now. If you going subtank you gotta drop your nic to 6 or below some do higher but they got iron lungs. Maybe let us know what juice you vape at what nic mg maybe we can find your vape with what you have now.
There is a learning curve and not everyone reacts the same with different PG/VG mixtures. The best thing I can offer is to start off slowly with small toots. I'm sure others will chime in with different techniques. You don't have to inhale the vapor necessarily to get the needed effect of the nic, you can always take a draw, and exhale thru your nose but I would try small mouth to lung draws until you are more comfortable with the vapor.
Hope this helps!
Hope this helps!
I rip mine at 30watts normally but i opened up the juice channels as i vape syrups and those cracks they call juice channels didnt cut it
"Juice channels"? You mean airflow? I didn't think the Subtank had adjustable juice flow channels..?
You need to let us know what level of nicotine you are using. When I went from top coil clearos with the Halo Triton to using the Nautilus, I found that I needed to drop my nicotine level fron 24 mg to 15 mg. When I started subohming, I needed to drop down to 6 mg. It could also be the quality of the nicotine that you are using as well. I had bought some house juice before where the nicotine was so peppery and harsh that it burned my throat and was pretty much unvapable.
wow lots of replys already 
well I'm using 18 nicotine level, Im told that is like a normal smooker, but maybe I should try to lower it a bit, thanks for the tip about poking holes in the cotton, but doesn't that makes it flood?
well I'm using 18 nicotine level, Im told that is like a normal smooker, but maybe I should try to lower it a bit, thanks for the tip about poking holes in the cotton, but doesn't that makes it flood?
At the end of your post you say you cant get past 20w sry if i was unclear as what part of the post im referring too.
Wow. Yes, try lower nic. I went from 24-18mg to 6mg the moment I switched to RDAs and subtanks. I also do max VG.
I imagine when you first started smoking it seemed a little harsh on your throat. Your body soon adapted.
It can take some people time to transition from smoking to vaping. Vapor is different from smoke. In addition, most of the nicotine in vapor is absorbed in the mouth, nose, and throat, not so much in the lungs. Therefore, its not necessary to inhale vapor into the lungs to get the nicotine. At least initially, just do mouth inhales, and gradually/progressively do mouth to lung inhales as your body adapts to vapor.
Most vape shops will suggest the following nicotine concentrations depending upon your tobacco consumption:
Some vapers prefer a "cooler" vape; others prefer a "warmer" vape. Choose higher ohms in your tanks and lower power (volts or watts) for a cooler vape. Just the opposite for a warmer vape.
It can take some people time to transition from smoking to vaping. Vapor is different from smoke. In addition, most of the nicotine in vapor is absorbed in the mouth, nose, and throat, not so much in the lungs. Therefore, its not necessary to inhale vapor into the lungs to get the nicotine. At least initially, just do mouth inhales, and gradually/progressively do mouth to lung inhales as your body adapts to vapor.
Most vape shops will suggest the following nicotine concentrations depending upon your tobacco consumption:
Less than 1/2 pack per day = 6 mg
1 ppd = 12 mg
1 1/2 ppd = 18 mg
2 ppd = 24 mg
When taking a puff, imagine sucking on a straw in a milkshake. Slow, long, gentle pulls. You may also need to do some "primer puffs" (drawing a couple times on your ecig without pressing the fire button) to get the e-liquid to the wick and coil to prevent a "dry hit".1 ppd = 12 mg
1 1/2 ppd = 18 mg
2 ppd = 24 mg
Some vapers prefer a "cooler" vape; others prefer a "warmer" vape. Choose higher ohms in your tanks and lower power (volts or watts) for a cooler vape. Just the opposite for a warmer vape.
Thanks, I have a wierd tecnique I think, I love taking mouth draws then inhale it through my nose
I just love smelling the flavours, I do mouth to lung too, I haven't learned to take lung hits yet, it feels a bit strange.
wow lots of replys already
its all about the efficiency in the delivery system. 18 mg/ml juice is great for low wattage setups if you put it in a higher powered setup, itll knock your head off and have you hugging the couch praying itll all stop soon... in a subtank, i would not want to try more than 12 mg/ml juice, and tbh, would consider getting 6's in the same flavor so that you could make it say.. 9(mix 2 equal size bottles of 12 and 6 and the resulting juice is 9 mg/ml).
a big tip is to have 2 tanks on hand. yes.. more money... BUT.. heres the logic. one tank has your all day flavor in it at the lowest nic that makes you happy.. the other has higher nic.. possibly in another flavor. the higher nic tank is the 'stress tank' its for those times where you would run to a cigg and vaping isnt giving that instant satisfaction the same way.. well more nic for that short period.. works well.
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