My Intro. Information overload. Head Exploding. SOS. Almost picked one!

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**I'm adding this after I wrote the whole thing, I know it's long, but at this point I could really use some help. I tried figuring it all out on my own for the last 12 hours, and I can honestly barley think straight anymore - I haven't left my computer reading about the infinite world of vaporizing trying to make a good choice**


Hi everyone I'm Dirty from the great white north (Canada). Happy to see such a community exists, didn't know there was so much to vaping and didn't know there was so much knowledge out there and such a great community around. I am so thankful I found this place!
So.......
I need help finding hockey puck flavored juice, any help? (kidding...though if it was a flavor I'm sure I'd love it).


I found out aboot the great world of vaping less than a month ago. A friend set me up with a kr808, although I was amazed the first few weeks I started to go through the transition every newb inevitably seems to go through (according to these forums) - I need to upgrade! And I will skip the "it needs to look analog" part - I don't care - I want functionality.

Now before you recommend the ego (I've been through the threads) I've narrowed my choice down to mainly 2 options and I REALLY REALLY REALLLLY would LOVE your help:) I've had at least a thousand tabs open and read through so many forums and went to so many websites today (I've been going none-stop for the past 11 hours at the time I write this)
...So my brain is completley on overload, I can hardly think anymore. I didn't want to be that newb asking another trivial question so I tried to figure it all out on my own. But at this point I just can't do it anymore, my mind has melted due to the information overload and soooo many options, so I appeal to you out there and hope you can help.

The Choice
It's very basic - both are pretty much the same. But I'm starting to think I might be in over my head with ordering this (it will show up and I won't know what to do with it / hurt myself with it), I was a lot more confident 6 hours ago, now I'm not so sure.

After reading and reading and reading and reading ... I came to the conclusion a 3 stage variable battery (3.7-4.2volt) would supply the most options. LR atomizer with a tank would supply the best TH and the most convenience (not having to drip constantly - fill up once and your on your way) with the option of other cartomizers in case LR don't quite work out. I was specifically looking at the following kit (link to website will be ommitted, don't think I should post as its Canadian)



1x 750 mah 3.7 - 4.2 volt battery
1x 1100 mah 3.7 - 4.2 volt battery
1x Buaway 510 atomizer
1x riva /ego cone cover
1x wide ego cone
2 x Xtream LR 2.2-2.4 ohms clear tank Cartomizers with blue led (HOLDS 3.5ml)
10x 510 empty cartridges
1x rapid 420 mah usb charger
1x usb wall plug

For $80

Or
1x 750 mah 3.7 - 4.2 volt battery
1x 1100 mah 3.7 - 4.2 volt battery
1x Buaway 510 atomizer
1x riva /ego cone cover
1x riva t tank cartomizer
1x smk xxxl clear dual coil cartomizer
5x smk xxl steel dual coil cartomizers
10x 510 empty cartridges
1x 15ml empty bottle with filling needle cap
1x rapid 420 mah usb charger
1x usb wall plug

For $97 (Though I would add on 1 Xtream LR 2.2-2.4 ohms clear tank Cartomizers from the first option (holds 3,5 frickin ml remember : ) for an additional $10 as this is the one I really want to try)



Now these look to be incredibly versatile units, I think this could be a great introductory "mod" type (without getting too complex). Yet at this point these units do appear incredibly complex. As I don't have too much available funds (the last of my money will be going to this....not food lol. As long as it's not analogs) I think I should just go ahead and order one of them. Whats holding me back? I think it might be too much. What could I minimize this to to save some money? I'm thinking I could buy the essential components seperatley or perhaps someone has a better option in general? Like I said this is the last of my money, I need to buy juice seperatley, and I'm hoping the atomizers included (and all else) will last at least a month (I'm a heavy smoker - with my kr808 I've been using 24mg carts, and having to occassioanly use 2 at a time to get a satisfactory hit, thats right - 2 kr808 with 24 mg in my mouth at the same time otherwise I'll run to an anolog). I definitely need to step it up a notch, this looks like a great kit. I'll have to find out details as well on what volt I can smoke which carts and atomizers at and so on and so on.

Like I said I can barley think anymore - major major information overload. I'm not even quite sure what I'm asking. I just want to skip a few of the basics without going as far as jumping all the way to a full out 5v mod. I need to guarantee an awesome throat hit and large vapor ammounts.

okay okay this is something I'm really wondering....
To minimize my order, I think maybe just one of the variable batteries above would do, and I really want to try the 3.5ml tanks, but there's an option of LR 2.2-2.4 ohms or 2.8-3.0 OHMS . Would the LR really be neccessary when running at 4.2 volts? Actually, I think I remember seeing you shouldn't even run LR that high. Would I just burn through my atomizers and juice? They claim the 2.8-3.0 OHMS model has lasted with over 60 3.5ml refills, sounds like a great deal for $10. Only I'm not sure what to do with all those other cartimizers and dual coil thingamijigs that come with the package. Is it really a complete package or do I need anything else?


Uhhhggg wow, my brain is totally done. Any insight would be appreciated. Thank You. And sorry for the long and relatively unclear post. I just really want to start vaping the real way.

1 more thing :blush:

Part of the reason this is so urgent is because I have 50 kr808 cartridges. They're stuck in snail mail so I won't see them for a long time. I ordered them before I learned about "real vaping". Would they be compatible with the above unit without having to buy any other adapters? Could I vape them at 4.2 volts without risking any damage?


Thanks again, and as I learn and advance my newbiness into the moddiest with your help, I promise to spend some time giving back to the community.

 

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You really know how to throw a phone book at someone. You are going to fit right in here


Lol.....Yeah sorry about that:oops:

The above units come with 2 batts - one 750mah the other 1100mah. Mah essentially equals better battery life right?

as for suppliers, the kits I mentioned above are from a canadian seller. If you know of a simpler or better deal in the states or abroad, as long as they have fedex I should be good to go.

I guess I could sum up my main question with -if the kit doesn't appear to be a good deal (which I think it likely is a pretty good deal) rather than buying a whole kit for $100, whats the minimal components I could buy to make it work for a month or so? And of course the question if the kr808 cartomizers will be compatable.
 

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It's really hard for me to recommend something to you in Canada because I don't know what's available to you at what price.
With option A. it comes with clearomizers and you'd have to purchase cartomizers. B. comes with the cartomizers but you'd have to purchase the clearomizer. So it's pretty much the same.

I have clearomizers and do like them, but I prefer cartomziers. But that's just personal preference. The vape (to me) seems a little better with the cartos but the clearomizers, you can clean out to test juice.

I have the VV ego and do like it. I find I almost always use the 3.7 setting.

Not much help I guess. Sorry-

You will be able to use the KR808 cartos with an adaptor. Probably at the 4.2 setting if they're just standard cartos.
 

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Welcome Dirty!

Yeah, it does take a while to digest all the information here. Unfortunately, I'm not sure I'll be able to help you in your decision, I went from a 510 started kit to 'modding' :)rolleyes:, yeah, something else to look up :D).

I would caution you on getting the 3.5mL cartomizer at the moment. Just because, until you find a 'juice' that you enjoy enough to vape all day, that is a lot of juice to 'store' in a cartomizer. Just a caution.

Also, the KR808 cartos won't fit on the batteries, if the batteries have 510 connections, without an adapter. But, adapters are inexpensive and it's always nice to have one around.

Take a break, sleep on it, and read some more.....and ask ANY question, even if you think it's been asked before; we're here to help. :)
 

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Welcome Dirty!

Yeah, it does take a while to digest all the information here. Unfortunately, I'm not sure I'll be able to help you in your decision, I went from a 510 started kit to 'modding' :)rolleyes:, yeah, something else to look up :D).

I would caution you on getting the 3.5mL cartomizer at the moment. Just because, until you find a 'juice' that you enjoy enough to vape all day, that is a lot of juice to 'store' in a cartomizer. Just a caution.

Also, the KR808 cartos won't fit on the batteries, if the batteries have 510 connections, without an adapter. But, adapters are inexpensive and it's always nice to have one around.

Take a break, sleep on it, and read some more.....and ask ANY question, even if you think it's been asked before; we're here to help. :)

They're calling it a cartomizer on the website, but it's really a clearomizer so you can clean that out. At least that's what it looks like. I'd agree with you if it was a 3.5 carto.
 

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looks good. You may also want 36mg juice. If it is too much you can dilute it with a weaker juice or some USP grade glycerin from Walmart. KR808 is a thread used on carts where it attaches to the battery, The 510 also stands for a thread. Add an 808 cartridge to 510 battery adapter and you are all set. At least it's a good start but no one knows what will work for you in the longer run. When you stop smoking you tastes will change. This may be the perfect set up or not.
 

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Dirty, you sound a lot like I did when I first started vaping. :)

Either of the kits you listed should get you well on your way and keep you occupied with tinkering for some time.

1. Purchase a 510 (battery) to 808 (KR808 cartos) adaptor. They are inexpensive, and you will be able to use your 808s on your new setup. I use VV 510 batts and I've used 808 cartos at all three settings and haven't burnt one out yet. The vapor is as good as on a KR808 rig, and most times much better on the 510 batts.

2. You can use the LR stuff on the batts of your kit, and it will be fine. All of my cartos/attys are 2.0 ohm or less - mostly less. :) Again, I haven't killed anything by doing this.

3. You will definitely like the dual coil cartos!

4. Stock up on small bottles of e-juice from different vendors to figure out what you like with your new gear. One can never have too many juice choices!!!

5. Should have been #1, but welcome to the ECF!!! Don't hesitate to ask questions - we've all been there!

Good luck!
 

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People here are pretty damn helpful at replying

(serious sentiment, also shamelessly trying to improve my post count a little.. it's hard when have little to contribute and only have access to the one forum)

**Actually, I found some topics anyone can contribute to. Apologies for the useless post. But still, my own thread got a full page of replies in around 30 minutes. Very active, and willing forum. Cheers**
 
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Heyas Dirty,

Welcome to the ecf! :thumbs:

okay okay this is something I'm really wondering....
To minimize my order, I think maybe just one of the variable batteries above would do

My own personal rule to live by is two batts are better than one. And three batts are better than 2. If you only have one batt and it dies (batts die. Sucks, but it happens) you're sol and back to the analogs...


Just my :2c:


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Hey everyone, time for an update as I ordered the unit and had some time to get into it. Thanks for everyones comments as you all really helped simmer my confusion. This e-cigg forum is so full of good people it's ridiculous :toast:

So I ended up going with the standard m-riva kit with all the additional cartomizers plus some tanks and carts. As Momster mentioned... I do love the dual coil carts - they provided the best throat hit out of everything in the kit. Since then I ordered some lr horizontal coil cartomizers that I find even better. Overall low resistance has provided that great throat hit I've been looking for.

As a side note I did slip up on my order. I thought the battery was a vv. The retailer had simply stated the range of the battery to be 3.7-4.2 volt. I took it to be vv rather than range. Beginners mistake but I'm pretty happy with the riva paired up with lr cartomizers and attys. Besides that I convinced my friend to get the ego vv so I still got to try it out.

Another friend of mine, a heavy smoker who wants to quit, was not sold on the kr808's as a replacement. I loaded him up a carto full of 24mg full flavor tabbacco - handed him the fully loaded riva and said to take a 5 second blast. He took it, coughed, then after the vape cleared grinned a cheek to cheek smile and asked me to order him one up asap - because that could definitley replace his analoges.

I of course feel the same way, I've fet the identity shift from a smoker to a vaper and I'm proud to represent it. The em- riva is a beautiful unit and I recomened it to anyone not completley satisfied with their lower powered units, those who want to kic it up a little notch. I for one, as my avatar implies, am still loooking for a little more kick in the throat. It's funny because I find a better th from my riva with lr than I ever did with an analog. But still the search is on... next will come the knight rider / lavatube as I hear you get a real kick and the options are endless, but that'll be for another post.

On another note, I never knew that vaporizing meant a different way of absorbing nicotine (through mainly the mouth as opposed to the lungs - as at least one study I seen referenced maintained). This means it stays in your system longer as well (anaologs nic will be out in 30 mins). Must say, it's really tough trying to sleep after taking multiple blasts of 24mg while lying on your bed. But it sure beats lying there after an analog feeling stuffy with a shortened lung capacity. Plus it's nothing you can't fix by lowering your nicotine closer to bed time. Too bad that 24mg dripped into the riva tastes so damn good...think I'm going to take just one more pull and get some restless sleep:D

Thanks again everyone. I'm happy to be a member of this great community.
 
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