my problem with tanks, every single tank out there..because of the cartos it utilizes.

[kiggas]

Let me make the thread more clearer, because this thread was created because I was going to ask a question, not make a statement about how everyone says they love tanks because it keeps the carto wet, but it doesnt. Whenever I take the drip tip off, the top is bone dry. I need to know why everyone says that it keeps the carto wet, no, its not the hole im using because that was made with a nail and its the regular size that everyone uses. However, I cannot make two of those same holes because no matter how thick the vg content is, it WILL leak, without a doubt. And anything below 50% vg will leak, even those factory holed tiny pre punched cartos that we get from some vendors. How can you guys say that it keeps the hits moist and nice? Theres nothing that im doing differently from the instructions the vendors are giving me. What cartomizers are you guys using to make it so that it keeps the carto wet at all times? Do you actually only vape close to 100percent vg and make two big nail holes? Or is it really not the same hit as when you first fill a carto up? I guarantee that the 75th hit is nowhere near as nice as, lets say, the 10th hit. because no juice can fight gravity, and no juice cannot not pour out the bottom from too many holes in the cartomizer. I saw a user using a tank with a bottom coil cartomizer, is that the trick? is it because the coil is at the bottom, so the juice is always there to feed it? Is that what EVERY SINGLE tank user is using which is why the hit is consistently on point and moist? It has to be, otherwise its bull--winkles.
I saw a review on those kanger bottom coil cartomizers and the reviewer said that there was this awful funky taste for the first fill of the cartomizer and it will overpower and overtake your flavor. Unless your flavor is mega strong and somehow masks it a bit. do I have to resort to using nasty tasty cartos out of the box to use my tank to its standard potential? Or has the kangers been changed so that there is no funk dunk anymore? Or is there other bottom coil cartomizers that can be used that dont have the funk in the trunk when filled for the first time? 510 bottom coils? Should I just buy those 808 cartomizers that are all bottom coil and just use a 510 to 808 adapter on my provari and tank? btw, is the bloog maxxfusion cartomizers, 808 cartomizers? Im having trouble figuring out which cartomizers prove to be the best match with any and every single carto tank out there. Which do you think is better? Just using a kanger 510 bottom coil or an 808 bottom coil with an adapter?8-o Does the adapter diminish the flavor, vapor or throat hit of the cartomizer? Does it falter it in any way? I really think the solution to tanks is for the coil to be at the bottom, dual coil cartomizer tanks are pretty useless because one of the coils is up top, near the first quarter end of the carto, so that part will most likely, always be almost dry after 100 hits. Im assuming that bottom coils are the way to go, unless you guys are actually using dual coils or boge cartos and having great moist ... hits. Im using both DCC and boge cartos right now, and I have to still tip off to keep it moisters. Please fill me in avid tank users. This cant be the tanks destiny, to only keep the carto barely wet and alive from a couple of dry hits away.
btw, I have 2 aluminum dual coil cartomizer tanks and one stainless steel lil mama tank and an m1a1 tank without the nail and hole at the top side of the tube and a depth charge tank. Please let me know what tanks you have and what cartos you use to keep em moist, even at the top of the carto, HAH, I bet thats impossible, it aint true. Im pretty sure of it unless the juice is being fed directly to the coil. Im thinking of purchasing an SS liquinator because I like how it looks, it looks like a refined lil mama tank. what other carto tanks is there to buy online at the moment? I dont like the lava tanks so no thanks there, I got plently of ming drippertippers so nty. and I wish I could buy 2 actv3 tanks because it looks so shh-huh-x-ee. I know that the actv4 tanks are coming but I dont like 100% stainless steel tubes...I want to actually see my juice, thank you very much. The actv4 tank just looks bad to me, and aesthetics are very important to me, because aesthetically, I am also very pleasing. HAheh. So please help me figure the solution to moistness in tanks and what tanks I can purchase as of today and other stuff. you think I should buy the liquinator? I know this thread is very long, but I need to pour my thoughts out so I can get a diverse response on the subject matter/task at hand. Believe it or not, I cut out about 12 sentences, nearly 2 paragraphs out of this thread so it doesnt look rediculously long and unreadable to most people. Yes, I scare threadhoppers away from posting troller comments. If I actually let those 12 sentences in, this wouldve been a frickin essay. Havent written one of those since high school...ahh the beauty of college...OH WAIT SON...papers ARE WORSE KID. haha, have a great day folkers and spooners. btw, which do you prefer? spooning or forking? yeah, thats a rhetorical question if that wasnt obvious..you ignorant little...sunshine!! please respond with great enthusiasm like moi, please respond with politically correct and factual statements! Thanks a bunch guys..Ill leave ya tu iT sons. and beautiful misses.

 

[Playa_hamm420]

Ive never had a tank leak that was not due to user error...

Im using pre-punched unknown brand puchased from 3 differnt suppliers the only time they leak is when i fill the tank to full and snap the cap on forcing air/pressure to flood the carto.. Ive never had to top off my dcc's they wick just fine with my factory punched holes.. never used anything more then 25% VG usualy i stick with 100% PG.. only time it floods is when i do something wrong.. 99% of the time i fill them and vape all day with no leaks.

 

[andyman97]

I slot with a dremel. I make larger slots with 100% VG and smaller slots when I dilute. I have to make occasional dry pulls, etc., but rarely do I have one that stays full on it's own. Just the nature of the beast.

 

[Vapour newb]

I find tanks never make the top of the carto moist looking. It keeps the carto area where the coils are moist, which is what matters. I use dct dual coils with the small pre punched hole, which I find adequate as long as Im using juice no higher then 30% VG. Any higher and I slot them using a dremel. As I vape, every so often I give a couple quick blows into carto to help equalize pressure in the tank.

Bit of a learning curve using tanks, but once I got it, its been no fuss.

 

[Kim151]

No problem using tank/w carto. I never really pulled my drip tip off to look at it after initial fill in carto and put in tank. Long as its giving me a good vape, I'm happy.

 

[Andy Thatcher]

I was about to ask a question about exactly the same thing as the OP.

I have some CCV Pre Punched and last night at work came to the realisation that all was not well with the world. I have a Mango thing going on and after the nicotene need was quenched and I started to look for flavour....it wasn't there. Just a dull insipid kinda burnt deal.

The juice is 50/50 so should not really cause any issues.

This morning I have taken a hammer and nail to a pre-punched and after a while the flavour dissipates.

So, not having a Dremel, is there another solution or should I really just switch to cart's ? At the moment I feel I am wasting juice and carts.

 

[dearme]

50/50 is a little thick to run in a carto tank. It generally can't wick fast enough to keep everything wet. In my experience, 80/20 works great. I only use single coil cartos. If you must have 50/50, maybe try a CE, etc. There are many other cartos with large tubes and no filling which many people swear by. I haven't tried any of them as my single coil carto tank works perfectly and I like to keep things simple.

 

[bigtiime]

As with anything vaping related, there is a learning curve.

 

[Andy Thatcher]

I tried dual coils briefly, they came with the MAP tanks, and were quickly replaced by single coils. They just seem to work better for me at the moment.

Must admit after opening up the hole on the cart the performance seems to have improved but thinking of trying 2 holes. Was also wondering if a larger tank may improve things. Like I wasn't going to buy a larger one or two or three at one point or other.

You have to chuckle. If someone had of said to me 3 weeks ago the pre punch in your carto needs to be bigger for your pg/vg mix to go through your tank I may have just given a quizzical look and walked away, at best. Would certainly be concerned about their state of mind.

 

[ITPython]

I just started using a tank this morning, so I have little experience on this matter. But I am using 100% VG with two relatively normal sized holes on the bottom of the carto (used a sharp screw instead of a nail).

I have been vaping for the last few hours and the juice is definitely sucking into the carto as my juice level is decreasing at an obvious rate (almost sucked down half the juice from my 3ml tank 8-o). But after reading this thread I noticed that the flavor wasn't quit all there like it was after a fresh carto top-off before my tank installation, the vapor was still thick and luscious, but something was missing. So I decided to do a few dry pulls to help aide the juice absorb/suck into the material... And WOW, huge difference. The flavor was back! I almost forgot what the flavor was like!

So I guess tanks are just like any other form of ecig juice delivery, its a process that requires some attention to get the full amount of enjoyment. I personally am Ok with doing a few dry pulls every now and then vs having to constantly top-off my carts or cartos when the flavor dissipates. After a few dry pulls, everything is at it should be. And no messy cleanup!

As for the leaking, well I have not dealt with this yet, but hopefully I won't have to seeing as I like 100% VG juices, which should be much less prone to leaking than higher PG ratios.


BTW, I just came up with a way to hopefully keep my carto somewhat moist. With carts you typically have to take slow pulls to avoid getting a mouth full of juice, however with a tank system I believe it is Ok to pull really hard each time you suck, as the filler material isn't full enough to shoot juice into your mouth, and pulling harder will help suck in the juice from the tank.


Such a learning process with ecigs, and it is quite fun to learn new methods IMO!


Oh and slightly off-topic, but I love your sig Andy Thatcher! I see these sigs about people saving money from analogs, but they always fail to add in how much they have spent with ecig stuff. LOL. I am in the same boat, I have saved a certain amount from not buying analogs, but have spent exponentially more on ecig stuff in the same time frame.

 

[CSpencer516]

Alright, I'm somewhat a noob, and a noob to ECF as well. I went from the automatic 2 piece system from greensmoke, to the ego-t type b tank with 1,000 MaH batteries, to a Provari. With that I bought 5 5-packs of boge 3.0 ohm cartomizers, as well as the vape-o-matic tank system from vaporesance with 25 stainless steel cut cartomizers. I was way over my head going from pretty much an analog to a Provari with a tank system. I ended up hating my tank system, couldn't get it to stop gargling, kept losing so much juice, and couldn't get it to sit right, so I stashed it away and was just never going to use it again, it was a pain in the ...., messy, and regular cartomizers were just so much easier. I ended up grabbing a 510-510 adapter for an atty and an empire mod drip-shield. Out of randomness, I went and tried out the tank again. I put the carto in the tank, used a syringe to fill up the tank, put the silver threaded end of the cartomizer through the other end to close it. I put it on my provari(without the adapter) and was just not sitting right. Again, I couldn't get it right, but then I thought what if I used my SEALED 510-510 adapter to add extra space and if it's sealed maybe it won't get messy-and it worked!!! I've been using my tank for the past 3 days, I don't know why the adapter helped so much, but this vape-o-matic tank kicks ....! Try using it. You can get the sealed 510-510 adapter at empiremods for about 4 bucks. I reccomened trying that before you give up on the tanks, especially if your a chain vapor like me. OH, also when I'm using my tank, my carto at the top isn't damp or wet at all, and that's the Beuaty of this tank, somehow, with a 510 carto pre-slot cutted-it doesn't bring up any juice into your mouth or carto, and it doesn't matter if the top is dry, as long as the carto is being fed juice on the bottom, its reached it's heat source, and doesn't need to go up into the carto. Like I said I'm some-what a noob, but hope this suggestion helps you

 

[Andy Thatcher]

Saw your post on the Set Up thread, let me just compliment you on your choice of PV

I have a couple of MAP 3.5ml and so far never had a problem with leaking. So unconcerned about it I even pop them in my pocket without a thought...until now !

 

[otrpu]

kiggas, I have no problem using VISION Tanks. I haven't used a "filler" carto in more than a year and a half. JMHO

Cheers,
otrpu

 

[CSpencer516]

BTW I use MsTsBakery juice. And she uses more VG than PG

 

[Andy Thatcher]

Oh and slightly off-topic, but I love your sig Andy Thatcher! I see these sigs about people saving money from analogs, but they always fail to add in how much they have spent with ecig stuff. LOL. I am in the same boat, I have saved a certain amount from not buying analogs, but have spent exponentially more on ecig stuff in the same time frame.

The wife takes an unhealthy interest in that area. Something about feeding the kids or some such nonsense. I am going to keep it updated as when those numbers start to turn around it is Buzz or Provari time.

 

[mynameisrob]

The top of a carto is not going to be wet. The hole at the bottom feeds the juice directly to the coil. So while it might look dry at the top of the filler, its wet at the bottom, where it matters.
Different juices require different size holes. If your using pre-punched cartos with the small little hole, only a mostly PG juice will feed okay into that small hole. I use an 80/20 juice that feeds into the small hole fine, but really anymore VG might not feed as fast as needed.
I use as Smoktech 3.5ml tank and it works awesome and is really cheap. It is a dual coil tank, but that doesnt mean you have to use dual coil cartos in it. Frankly I think dual coils suck at lower voltages (like on an 3.3-3.4V eGo or 3.7V E-Power/kGo) so i didnt even use the dual coil carto that came with the tank. I use the Ressurector cartos instead and they work a LOT better than any dual coil does. CCV sells pre-punched Ressurectors and they even have the metal base on them like the DC carto that comes with the tank. The Ressurectors are single coil, but are the same size as a dual coil carto so they fit in the tank perfectly and work awesome.
Its kind of a trial and error to figure out how big the hole needs to be for that specific juice. Like I said in my one tank I use an 80/20 juice thats thin and it will feed in the small little pre-punched hole, but for a thicker VG juice, the hole needs to be made bigger. In another 3.5ml tank I use Bobas Bounty, which is 100%VG and very thick, and for that juice I use a finishing nail and hammer and make the pre-punched hole about 3-4x bigger. I also punch a second hole on the other side the same size and with the 2 much bigger holes, the thick 100%VG juice feed fine.
Your best bet is to make the hole alittle bigger and then test it. DO a few hard dry pulls, and if you dont get little airbubbles coming out of the punched hole, then the hole prob needs to be made alittle bigger. Make it a little bigger and then try again. Keep doing that until its the right size for that juice. Remeber to go slow though bc if you make it too big then it will just flood the carto and youll have to throw it out and use another. Once you get it right though then its easy bc youll know how big the hole needs to be everytime you put in a new carto.

You also HAVE to remember to do dry pulls. I think this is the single MOST important thing in getting a tank to work properly. Sometimes even when the hole is big enough, the tank wont feed the juice fast enough to keep the carto consistantly wet. Doing dry pulls will force juice into the carto and will ensure it always stays wet. I periodically take 5-6 short, hard dry pulls throughout the day. When you do them you should see the airbubbles come out of the punched hole with every pull. I normally do them until the airbubbles stop or theres only a few very small ones, and then you know that the carto is wet again. Also, instead of doing short hard pulls, you can try to do one long pull and suck basically as hard as you can. I find doing one long hard pull works better for thicker juices than the short hard pulls. I do long hard pulls for my tank that has Bobas Bounty in it and it works well. With the thick juice, instead of getting a bunch of little small airbubbles, I get one fairly big one. I keep doing long hard pulls until the big airbubbles stop (It normally takes 3-4 long hard pulls, depending on how empty the carto is).

So try doing that and I think the tank will work a lot better for you. It really is a learning curve, but once you get it down, its pretty easy cause youll know how big the hole or holes need to be for the specific juice your using and youll know how to always keep the carto wet with the dry pulls. Dont get frustrated with it, bc once you get it down, I think youll realize how awesome carto tanks can really be.

Goodluck with it!

 

[Andy Thatcher]

An exercise regime as well as cutting out smoking

You have addressed my main concern, Bobas in a tank.

I have been using the CCV's since last week so should be good there.

Just thinking aloud but is the dry burn issue reduced when using a shorter carto such as a Boge I wonder in a Phat type tank ?

 

[TonyTT]

I punch two holes with 70/30 PG/VG, I also take dry pulls when I can. I don't trust just assuming that it's wet halfway down. I'll dry pull until it looks like I just topped off the carto. I'd rather dry pull every so often and know the cartos wet, then leave it up to faith. I figure the tanks purpose is to reduce the time I'm: unscrewing the carto, removing the rubber cap, putting a condom on the end, taking the condom off, finding the little spiked rubber nub on my floor somewhere, cleaning it off, putting it in, putting on the condom end...getting out the syringe, dripping juice everywhere, filling up the carto...taking off the condom, blowing into a tissue, putting the rubber cap back on, screwing the carto in, taking a puff, getting a bit of juice in my mouth, and finally getting a good hit...repeat every 20 min...I figure having a tank on does 90 percent of the work. Taking a few quick pulls and taking the drip tip off to check if it's slushy every 20 min, isn't gunna kill you....or trust your tank is wicking well and potentially burn a cartomizer: which involves that nasty taste, then trying to salvage it, by dry pulling, realizing that your screwed the carto...then realizing you gotta change the carto...getting out a new carto, peeling the sticker off ever so gently, punching two new holes, taking the juice in your tank out, taking the old carto out, filling the new carto....you get the picture...the point is, just take the two seconds outta your day to dry pull...next you're gunna want us to vape it for you...

 

[mynameisrob]

Oh and always remeber to fully fill the carto first before you put it into the tank and fill the tank. I use a syringe to fill the carto, then use the same syringe to fill the tank once I put the carto in it. It makes it very easy to do and ensures the carto is filled correctly. When you do that, you wont get the airbubbles at first when you do dry pulls bc the carto is still full from filling it first, but once you vape it for awhile and the carto uses a good bit of the juice from the initial fill, then you should start seeing the airbubbles from doing dry pulls.
Just remember to go slow and only make the hole alittle bigger at a time. You can always make the punched hole alittle bigger if needed, but if you make it too big right away, your screwed bc you wont be able to stop it from always flooding the carto.
Its kind of hard to see, but this is how much bigger I make the hole for the tank I use the 100%VG Bobas Bounty juice:
The carto thats in it is a pre-punched Ressurector, and if you know how small the pre-punched hole is, you can see how much bigger it needs to be to feed a thick VG juice. Theres also another hole the same size on the other side, you just cant see it in the picture. The holes are alittle smaller than the diameter of a finshing nail.
Thats why I recommend using a mostly PG juice in a tank, especially when your just starting to use carto tanks, bc the thinner juices make it easier to learn with and work alot better. You def can use thicker VG juices (as you can see I use a 100%VG juice in a tank and it works fine), but it def takes a good bit more tinkering to get it to feed correctly.

 

[Andy Thatcher]

Thanking you.

Oh also thankyou for the kind offer of vaping for me but I think I have that part nearly covered. Generous offer given the distance between PA and FL and how much juice I am getting through.