My wife asked her work and recieved this reply

[Driver]

I agree 100%!! Why should companies be willing to be told that people are going to vape on their property whether they like it or not? Shouldn't they put up a fight?

What's stupid about it is that a store manager, for example, can boot you from the property because the manager doesn't like your shirt, voice, cologne, whatever. Granted, that's not a great customer relations move, but legally that's how it is. Now if the manager wants you to not vape while on the property, what's the point of getting all offended like he strip searched your kid?

This applies even more to employers. An office can have a dress code. People aren't trying to channel Rosa Parks and wear cutoffs and flip-flops because that's their right dammit!! Why then are people so outraged that their vaping isn't allowed everywhere?

For those who insist vaping is not smoking, here's an idea. Get yourself some nicotine lozenges and you can suck on them virtually anywhere with no issues. If getting a nicotine hit without the hand-to-mouth and the feel and sight of inhaling something is not satisfying enough - sorry, you're a smoker. If you get nicotine from something that involves all that and keeps you off cigarettes - sorry, whether it meets the current legal definition or not, you're smoking. If you're no longer a smoker, why vape?

In today's tough economy, shouldn't you just save your money and quit vaping? Before anyone jumps in and tells me about how much they love the taste of their waffle ejuice, I've heard tons of people make the same claims about cigarettes because they didn't want to admit they had an addiction.

There are different levels of addiction:

Some people are addicted to nicotine.
Some people are addicted to nicotine and/or other chemicals found in tobacco.
Some people are addicted to nicotine and/or the other chemicals and/or the chemical by products of burning tobacco and/or the hand-to-mouth, inhale-exhale ritual. These last are called smokers. I'm one of these myself. Patches, gum, lozenges - I tried them all. They didn't work at all. All that happened was that I lived with a massive headache because between them and cigarettes, I was constantly ODing on nicotine.

Now, if you're a nonsmoker, I envy you. I'd love to be able to pop a piece of gum to eliminate my craving. Unfortunately, for me (and a lot of other SMOKERS), vaping is the only alternative I've found that works. It sucks to have developed an addiction to smoking. As a smoker, it also sucks that an activity I enjoy isn't allowed everywhere. I'm not under the impression though, that when I started vaping as an alternative to cigarettes, that suddenly my right to vape supercedes others' right to decide whether they will allow vaping on their property.

The thing that scares me is that just like rude, inconsiderate smokers upset enough people that my right to smoke in bars, restaurants, and other public areas was taken away. Now, I see people trying to force my "new brand" on the world and know that if they manage to upset enough people, my right to vape will disappear too.

For those who keep telling me about the health studies on various substances, those do not apply to the specific use we're putting them to. The health risk thing is just a rationale to tell us what to do without sounding like an authoritarian police-state. And rather than try to convince me that those studies do apply, understand this - IT DOESN'T MATTER!! It's all about money.

If the government truly cared about the health of the populous, cigarettes would be illegal. Proving PVs cause no harm is impossible because the whole "proving a negative" thing, doesn't really work.

Spoken like a business owner.

 

[firechick]

I agree with everything you said, until this. I'm forced to smell disgusting perfume all day long by some self-centered women in my office, but that's ok?

I don't think that's OK, either.

 

[xxMACK]

i dont care where im at ill vape anywhere. i did have somebody tell me something at a restaurant and i told him to sew me. haha

 

[VapingRulz]

The issue, as the OP stated it, IS in fact that the owners of the facility do not allow vaping inside their premises. If that rule related to food, drink, or anything else the result would be the same. It is THEIR RIGHT as the property owner to institute rules regarding any and all activities on their property. If you don't like their rules, you are free to spend your time elsewhere.

Look, you don't have to keep harping on what a business owner is entitled to do. I own a business - I know what I can and can not do. The real issue is that an uninformed business owner who thinks that smoking and vaping are the same thing will of course ban it. Most business owners don't have a clue.

I would like to have a vaping room at work. The .... hut stinks, and vaping in a bathroom is just disgusting. But it's not going to happen. My employer knows that vaping isn't smoking and they still uphold a policy of no vaping in the building. Eating on the job is not going to happen, either. They own the building and the company and they make the rules. I am free to find other employment where I can eat or vape while I work if I dislike those rules.

You are also free to gather evidence and fight for your right to vape... or hadn't you thought of that? Business owners are people, too. Well, some are not, but you get my drift.

It is not our right to ignore (or in some cases flagrantly disregard/disrespect) those rules, and remain on the property. If someone wants to .... heads with the property owner, they will likely be served notice to leave.

That is both true and untrue. It is my right to ignore stupid uninformed irrational rules that have no basis in law, and that's exactly what I will continue to do. Yes, they can kick me out - and they'll never see a dime from me again. The best way for vapers to fight back is with their wallets and their votes. Those two things are what make America tick; everything else is just for show.

And in so doing, they will make it more difficult for those of us who respect the rights of others to gain acceptance in the public eye.

And what about MY right to vape, an activity that harms nobody? Do you really believe that this is all about gaining acceptance in the public eye? Really?? It's not.

Why on earth should anyone have to breathe our vapor if they are not a vaper? What the vapor contains or doesn't contain isn't the issue there.

Are you for real? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read.

The bottom line in this and most discussions about what you can or can't do in the presence of others is RESPECT. Disrespect of others is a fast way to gain negative attention. We don't need any more negative attention.

Respect, my foot. Have we really reached the point in our society where what we LOOK LIKE WE'RE DOING overrides the fact that we're not actually doing it?

I'd like to see some respect for vapers - and I'm not going to be quiet and submissive in the process. (That tactic doesn't work anyway; look where it got smokers.)

 

[evilfrog]

...this thread just makes one realize why it is too bad unions are almost dead.

 

[asidrave]

I am allowed to vape anywhere at work. Both my bosses knows what it is and the one boss who smokes has even tried it...he didnt like it and he allows me to vape anywhere reguardless. When my company hired a new manager and he saw me vaping he didnt say anything to me for 2 months about it. today of all days he comes up to me and says " why do you do that here, that smoke is not good in the workplace"....not in those exact words but close. I looked at him and smiled and explained to him what an ecig was. I vape the mods that are in my cig...so obviously they dont look like an e-cig. He wasnt on the defensive but didnot agree to what i was doing. He asked for proof that they are not harmful, I told him "ill get right on that" and walked away. If he has an issue with it, next time ill tell him to talk to the boss about it. there are over 50 employees where i work and i have showed and explained to most of them what i do and all have no issues with it...at least that i know of.

 

[thefreak48324]

I've been saying it for 8 months now.....STEALTH VAPE people....don't feed the trolls. Less attention the better.