My wife asked her work and recieved this reply

[cbabbman]

The main problem I have with the company's stance is not that they don't allow it in the building, but that they insist you go to where the smokers smoke. There would be no issue for me if the rule was that you had to step outside on your break to vape. The problem is that they are forcing someone to be exposed to second hand smoke even though they don't create it themselves.

Same with my company. I combat it by stealth vaping at my desk or going outside when everyone else isn't outside. Yes, I am lucky that I can do that, I realize that some cannot. Nor can some stealth vape.

And I completely agree that forcing someone to go outside and deal with the second hand smoke is wrong... Which is exactly why smokers have been forced outside to begin with!

It's a vicious cycle and a world where common sense has been completely usurped by idiocy... the only thing that will work is education and just dealing with the rules until sanity is restored... Forcing the issue is only going to label us as something we are not. And keep us as second class citizens...

 

[PeeWee]

Vape in the B-Room, some flavors can even double as an air freshener!!

 

[Creniker]

ya those gas station e cigs are a joke. anything that resembles a real cigg is a waste of money imo not to mention you look like a enormous douche

Try to be respectful to other members.

 

[Zal42]

How long does it take for the vapor to disappear? I would just blow it under my desk or into my shirt if it goes away quickly

Just hold your breath for 15 secs or so. There will be no visible vapor when you exhale.

 

[Supersquint]

Perhaps pointing out that you are only exhaling water vapor, the same as everyone else might do the trick?

 

[Sandfury]

I am sorry that your company has that stance. I was lucky with my employer. Armed with information from casaa.org and my e-cig I actually went into the HR person's office and vaped there. I left with an, "I approve and where can I get one for my mother." I really think though what did it was that I went face to face and spoke about the non-risk factor it was.

 

[firechick]

I'm probably not going to be popular for this, but it's just how I see the situation. Your employer's buildings, vehicles, etc, are (unless you work for a government entity) PRIVATE property. In other words, THEIR RULES. If your friend told you they would prefer you not vape in their house, would you do it anyway?

Many places do not allow food or drinks at work stations, and smoking hasn't been allowed in most workplaces for a long time. Aside from peanut and other severe allergies, eating a candy bar is not harmful to your coworkers either, but it can be disruptive to the work environment. Employment is an at will kind of thing. If you don't like the situation, you are free to find other employment.

It seems to me that vapers assume that just because it is less harmful than cigarettes they should have the right to do it anywhere they please, regardless of how others feel about it. While I do not believe that exhaled vaper is harmful to anyone, I can see how it could be disruptive in the workplace. Heck, I wish my employer would put a limit on perfume/cologne use. I dread seeing the next shift come in because of one worker's over indulgence in cheap perfume. It makes it hard for me to concentrate because all I can think about is getting clean air. I know she has been there 10 minutes after she leaves the area.

I guess what I am trying to say is, have a little respect for the preferences of others. We are the nicotine addicts. While that is not necessarily a harmful thing, it's OUR issue, not theirs. I would not expect my employer to allow me to bring a fog machine into the building, and I don't blame them for not allowing me to blow vapor around the room.

Just my 2cents.

 

[pearlyvictoria]

It seems to me that vapers assume that just because it is less harmful than cigarettes they should have the right to do it anywhere they please, regardless of how others feel about it. While I do not believe that exhaled vaper is harmful to anyone, I can see how it could be disruptive in the workplace. Heck, I wish my employer would put a limit on perfume/cologne use. I dread seeing the next shift come in because of one worker's over indulgence in cheap perfume. It makes it hard for me to concentrate because all I can think about is getting clean air. I know she has been there 10 minutes after she leaves the area.
Just my 2cents.

I wouldn't include all vapers in this but it does seem to be the mindset of some of us. From what I've read more ECF members are considerate than not. But you do have a point in how vaping is not something that can be done just anywhere.

 

[yanphuc]

I guess some people cant accept the only action of smoking, even thought its no real smoke

 

[DiabloBlanco]

I guess some people cant accept the only action of smoking, even thought its no real smoke

Thats it exactly, like1/3 of the people ive talked to about it are completely ignorant, and still think it will hurt me. Once i give them a full explanation on how it works, and whats in it they tend to change their mind. The simple action of holding something and inhaling and exhaling it around people trips them out ive noticed.

Even the people i know very well that are non smokers and don't mind me vaping around them or in their non smoking home even. However they will still look at me a little weird and say it's strange but they dont mind it, it's just in their head. They don't know how to feel about it and that just leaves them stumped, my boss doesnt mind me vaping in the office but still looks at me weird too lol. At least hes cool about it and just happy im quitting real ciggs.

 

[VapingRulz]

The issue here is not about vaping on private property - it's about making it clear to employers and the general public that vaping is NOT smoking. So many vapers are cowed by years of anti-smoking tirades/laws/restrictions/guilt trips that they are allowing others to effortlessly link vaping with smoking as though they are one and the same.

I'm not surprised that the general public sees vaping as smoking because we can't even reach an agreement on this forum. Some vapers insist that smoking and vaping ARE essentially the same thing while others - like me - find that notion completely absurd. Some vapers are perfectly ok with being relegated to the smoking areas but I am definitely not ok with it. One of my biggest reasons for quitting smoking was that I hated being a social outcast - and I could not stand the smell of smoke clinging to me. Why on earth should I have to breathe in second-hand smoke when I'm not a smoker?

 

[firechick]

The issue, as the OP stated it, IS in fact that the owners of the facility do not allow vaping inside their premises. If that rule related to food, drink, or anything else the result would be the same. It is THEIR RIGHT as the property owner to institute rules regarding any and all activities on their property. If you don't like their rules, you are free to spend your time elsewhere.

I would like to have a vaping room at work. The .... hut stinks, and vaping in a bathroom is just disgusting. But it's not going to happen. My employer knows that vaping isn't smoking and they still uphold a policy of no vaping in the building. Eating on the job is not going to happen, either. They own the building and the company and they make the rules. I am free to find other employment where I can eat or vape while I work if I dislike those rules.

It is not our right to ignore (or in some cases flagrantly disregard/disrespect) those rules, and remain on the property. If someone wants to .... heads with the property owner, they will likely be served notice to leave. And in so doing, they will make it more difficult for those of us who respect the rights of others to gain acceptance in the public eye.

"Why on earth should I have to breathe in second-hand smoke when I'm not a smoker?"

Why on earth should anyone have to breathe our vapor if they are not a vaper? What the vapor contains or doesn't contain isn't the issue there. The fact is that it would be subjecting someone else to it in spite of the fact that they may not want it. An individual's rights do not override the rights of another individual.

The bottom line in this and most discussions about what you can or can't do in the presence of others is RESPECT. Disrespect of others is a fast way to gain negative attention. We don't need any more negative attention.

 

[bsandij]

Your wife's company has banned any type of smoking. Vaping is not smoking. There is no smoke. It is BS to not let her vape at work.

 

[Zal42]

Perhaps pointing out that you are only exhaling water vapor, the same as everyone else might do the trick?

Except that's not true. You're also exhaling pg & vg, and some people are allergic to pg. The quantities are so small that it likely won't cause them a problem unless you're in a small, closed room, but still...

 

[firefox335]

ya those gas station e cigs are a joke. anything that resembles a real cigg is a waste of money imo not to mention you look like a enormous douche[/url]

To each their own. I use a KR808D-1 and I think anyone vaping out of a mod that's as big as a lightsaber hilt looks like a douche.

 

[lordpeep]

I would do what Zal42 says, just hold your breath before exhaling. I do it all the time on airplanes and never get into trouble!

 

[lordpeep]

That is the sweetest looking mod I have ever seen, I must own a lightsaber ecig now!

 

[Valsacar]

"Why on earth should I have to breathe in second-hand smoke when I'm not a smoker?"

Why on earth should anyone have to breathe our vapor if they are not a vaper? What the vapor contains or doesn't contain isn't the issue there. The fact is that it would be subjecting someone else to it in spite of the fact that they may not want it. An individual's rights do not override the rights of another individual.

The bottom line in this and most discussions about what you can or can't do in the presence of others is RESPECT. Disrespect of others is a fast way to gain negative attention. We don't need any more negative attention.

I agree with everything you said, until this. I'm forced to smell disgusting perfume all day long by some self-centered women in my office, but that's ok?

All studies so far have shown there to be no health risk to exhaled vapor, and hopefully soon we'll have even more evidence of this. Now I full understand, just like perfume, if I am asked not to use a specific flavor indoors. In fact, I have been (FSUSA French Toast), and I happily agreed to take that one outside and just use my peanut butter cup indoors.

Bottom line is, if they say no, politely explain what vaping is to them. If they still say no, it's their property and you have to abide by their rules. In that case the best you can hope for is to get a dedicated vaping area to keep yourself away from the smoke.

 

[Driver]

Your wife's company has banned any type of smoking. Vaping is not smoking. There is no smoke. It is BS to not let her vape at work.

Thank good she has the right to quit her job in order to support her beliefs, and you have the right to financially to support her when she has no income.

 

[Driver]

So much is owed to so many these days. Nobody is entitled to vape where the work , unless they own the company. All the complaining about second smoke......and from smokers of things. I used to smoke alot so I will never preach to those that choose to smoke, I drive a car so I will not complain about polution. I work FOR a company so as long as I want the job I will follow their rules or I will quit and go elsewhere. I will be respectful of others choices and their right to choose just as I did. I wonder how many people stealth drink at work because they think its owed to them. Just because I choose to do something doesn't mean that everyone in my world has to accept it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, on your own time.