My wife asked her work and recieved this reply
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Someone earlier in the thread made a statement about thanking said biz for making them inhale others' second hand smoke since those who use an e-cig are being lumped into the same smoking category. I would have to agree with this person and disagree with the original poster's response that was given by the said company they work for. We all know there is a big diff when it comes to e-cigs vs. analogs with the first major one being the overall health and safety of non-smokers (i.e. second hand smoke). The e-cig gives off nothing that can harm others, unless said people are allergic to water vapor. 
I recently switched from analogs to e-cigs and I can honestly say I enjoy the e-cig much more and with the mindset that I want to quit smoking alltogether, this was a logical choice based on my physical and mental addiction. With that said, I do have the option to step outside into the designated smoking area to "light up", but at the same time, there are triggers at play with respect to analogs that would make it more difficult to avoid (i.e. the second hand smoke, the smell, etc.). I tend to be rather self-conscious of myself at work, even when I was smoking analogs, trying not to smell so bad for my co-workers, using gum and breath mints, etc. Nowadays, i don't have to be concerned about that but the venue in which I am required to be in to intake my much safer vapors over real smoke is a bit inconvenient as I am a "reformed" smoker as I like to look at it.
Just between you, me and the internet...I vape at my desk. I have high cube walls with a relative amount of privacy. I can sneak my e-cig at anytime, inhale deeply with little to no visible traces. I'd been doing it for quite some time and have yet to hear anyone comment on any possible vapors wafting into the office air. Sneaky, but effective.
The way I see it, if anyone else here has any sort of privacy to vape in their own space, go for it and don't even mention it to anyone. What they don't know won't hurt them right?
Jim
I recently switched from analogs to e-cigs and I can honestly say I enjoy the e-cig much more and with the mindset that I want to quit smoking alltogether, this was a logical choice based on my physical and mental addiction. With that said, I do have the option to step outside into the designated smoking area to "light up", but at the same time, there are triggers at play with respect to analogs that would make it more difficult to avoid (i.e. the second hand smoke, the smell, etc.). I tend to be rather self-conscious of myself at work, even when I was smoking analogs, trying not to smell so bad for my co-workers, using gum and breath mints, etc. Nowadays, i don't have to be concerned about that but the venue in which I am required to be in to intake my much safer vapors over real smoke is a bit inconvenient as I am a "reformed" smoker as I like to look at it.
Just between you, me and the internet...I vape at my desk. I have high cube walls with a relative amount of privacy. I can sneak my e-cig at anytime, inhale deeply with little to no visible traces. I'd been doing it for quite some time and have yet to hear anyone comment on any possible vapors wafting into the office air. Sneaky, but effective.
The way I see it, if anyone else here has any sort of privacy to vape in their own space, go for it and don't even mention it to anyone. What they don't know won't hurt them right?
Jim
My company instituted a non-smoking hiring policy about 8 years ago. Fortunately I was grandfathered in being with them for 14 years. There are 2 reasons why they instituted this policy. It is not healthy, and one loses productivity. Lets take baby steps here, until more people/companies have had an opportunity to learn more about it. I live in Nor Cal, and after 7 months of vaping, I still have yet to run into another vaper, except at the norcal vape meet.
Company policy is company policy the way I see it unfortunately, if you go against it you always seem to get the short side of the stick and it hits you in the ... on your way out the door. I would adhere to company policy until this thing runs its course. There are still millions of people who think this is smoking and are not educated about vaping and even we don't have all the facts 100% laid out for us yet. I would step out and take your break, stealth in the bathroom maybe or somewhere safe and respect the company policy for now, just me, but respecting the rules that the CEO or the board make up is showing respect and your a team player, It will get you much further then going against them. (playing politics) Tyco obviously has stated they also know what e-cigs are and is familiar with how they work to a point too. They made it clear and set there company policy. Believe me I don't like or agree with no vaping because I vape like a freight train but I would have to say go with the flow for now or your putting your job at risk going against the set policy, especially if you get one of those rat types who likes to tell the upper management your using your ecig in the work place in order to try and score points for himself, theres always one or two of those types in every corporate setting.
Maybe someone should develop an e-cig mod without an LED that looks like an asthma inhaler... if anyone asks, just say "Its for my asthma"
I actually did this the other day in a mall. It had an LED and a security guard came up to me and asked me to stop smoking. I told him it was my asthma inhaler and he apologised profusely.
Might not have been entirely truthful, but then few people who are against vaping and e-cigs are telling the truth...
What color was the LED? So few are red... You'd think a security guard would see a blue light and not think smoking.
I was thinking a mod made out of an actual inhaler housing.
I'm not sure about anyone else, but I know i want one that looks like a cigarette, LOL. I have a step-daughter that knows what cigarettes are, because her mom smokes. She wouldn't understand the word "vaporizer". I can just imagine her telling her mom that I stopped smoking cigarettes, and started smoking a funny little pipe looking thing!! And I can imagine how very very fast the police would be at my door LOL
Maybe later, but for now I'll stick with my "jokes"
I'm not sure about anyone else, but I know i want one that looks like a cigarette, LOL. I have a step-daughter that knows what cigarettes are, because her mom smokes. She wouldn't understand the word "vaporizer". I can just imagine her telling her mom that I stopped smoking cigarettes, and started smoking a funny little pipe looking thing!! And I can imagine how very very fast the police would be at my door LOL
Maybe later, but for now I'll stick with my "jokes"
What really constitutes as "cigarette looking"? Some would say all the small battery/pen style e-cigs. But really only a white penstyle e-cig with a tan cart/carto and a red LED looks like an analog. I don't think my black Halo element with a clearomizer and a teal aluminum drip tip and blue LED looks anything like a cigarette, except that it is about the same diameter.
I'd never even ask at work... because it's too bizarre to believe they'd even consider it. As I've said before, our HR department hasn't had an original idea in decades.
Random, pointless, fun fact: under our "business casual" dress code, kilts are considered appropriate for men, so long as they don't violate any other provision of said policy. That is, a denim "kilt" would be inappropriate because women aren't allowed to wear denim skirts.
Random, pointless, fun fact: under our "business casual" dress code, kilts are considered appropriate for men, so long as they don't violate any other provision of said policy. That is, a denim "kilt" would be inappropriate because women aren't allowed to wear denim skirts.
The same policy is in place at my job. However since no one has ever complained, the sups don't care if I vape at my desk. I can't say I like policies like that but I do understand them.
BTW- I'm Brenden. Vaping for about 2 weeks now, 3 analogs since then. WOOHOO
BTW- I'm Brenden. Vaping for about 2 weeks now, 3 analogs since then. WOOHOO
No one makes vaporizers that look like inhalers? There is a market for you or for enterprising modders.
The e-cig gives off nothing that can harm others, unless said people are allergic to water vapor.
Or unless they are allergic to pg or one of the flavorings, which some people are.
I call bs on this. I'm sure that's what the company said, but I'll bet a 55 gallon drum of juice that the actual reason is insurance premiums. Nonetheless, we aren't smoking. Proving that is a bit difficult, since the drug tests don't test for smoking, they test for the nicotine byproduct.
Lots of people feel the same way. It's not something I understand, personally, but different strokes and all that. I don't want anyone to confuse my pv with a cigarette.
Meh mine didn't come from the gas station (don't know if our gas station even sells them) but it looks live a very long black cig with a blue cherry *shrugz*. I'm not unhappy with it but I have a feeling I'll end up trying a different model later.
The place I worked at recently instituted what really amounts as a fine to people that smoke. If you smoked, you got $25 taken off your pay packet every second week, starting January 1st this year. They said it had to do with the new health insurance company they were dealing with. One feature of the new system was that if you saw someone who said they would quit, and were still smoking, you could dob them in to management and get your own 25$ returned for the month.
There was quite an uproar over that among the smokers, and about half the staff pledged to quit. Out of 15 there were no successful attempts in our office.
One of the people next door went with an e-cig. She still got pinged, because another staff member saw her outside with the thing, and assumed it was a cigarette. She was reported, and drug tested and as she was using juice with nicotine she flunked the test. $150 fine for that.
The non smokers were pretty smug there for a while. Less so now, that they instituted fines for being over your ideal BMI, and a fine as well for 'alcohol use' That's off duty alcohol use. $25 a pop. So if you smoke, are overweight, and have the occasional glass of wine, and given what they pay at that place, it is hardly worth going in on Monday.
One of the reasons I left that madhouse. The company has a lot of problems retaining staff ..now I wonder why that would be?!
There was quite an uproar over that among the smokers, and about half the staff pledged to quit. Out of 15 there were no successful attempts in our office.
One of the people next door went with an e-cig. She still got pinged, because another staff member saw her outside with the thing, and assumed it was a cigarette. She was reported, and drug tested and as she was using juice with nicotine she flunked the test. $150 fine for that.
The non smokers were pretty smug there for a while. Less so now, that they instituted fines for being over your ideal BMI, and a fine as well for 'alcohol use' That's off duty alcohol use. $25 a pop. So if you smoke, are overweight, and have the occasional glass of wine, and given what they pay at that place, it is hardly worth going in on Monday.
One of the reasons I left that madhouse. The company has a lot of problems retaining staff ..now I wonder why that would be?!
Wow, expat---where did you work, North Korea, Cuba??
Seriously though, not that I agree with any of it, but I think the more that people who use pv's try to force it into indoor public areas, the more push back you're going to get. Especially in places like malls and restaurants where there are kids around. I'm not saying it's right, but it's what analogs have done to the image.
Seriously though, not that I agree with any of it, but I think the more that people who use pv's try to force it into indoor public areas, the more push back you're going to get. Especially in places like malls and restaurants where there are kids around. I'm not saying it's right, but it's what analogs have done to the image.
Expat, please tell us the name of the company you worked for. I need to make sure that I or anyone I know never applies there.
Let's me see: they pay little, yet they fine you for drinking off duty, smoking (I assume off duty as well), and being overweight.
Oh, and let's not forget this one: they reward interoffice snitching. Way to foster a happy workplace.
Where do I apply?
By the way, do they fine you for being on a nicotine patch as well? I would take a band-aid, stick it on my shoulder and go to any testing they made me do. Heck, I'd buy a box and keep it on my desk. How are they going to police that?
Let's me see: they pay little, yet they fine you for drinking off duty, smoking (I assume off duty as well), and being overweight.
Oh, and let's not forget this one: they reward interoffice snitching. Way to foster a happy workplace.
Where do I apply?
By the way, do they fine you for being on a nicotine patch as well? I would take a band-aid, stick it on my shoulder and go to any testing they made me do. Heck, I'd buy a box and keep it on my desk. How are they going to police that?
Thats cuz you vapin a magma. A coworker had a magma. I thought it was cool. I went and bought a cooler inferno instead. I did buy gas station e-cig while waiting on shipping. The only good thing bout those cheap crap is when you out of juice and have to wait, you can always get the cheap crap.
I don't want to be a killjoy but how do we know that the second hand vape is harmless? I have seen only one study conducted by an e cig supplier (which only looked for known non-nicotine and harmful substances known to be present in smoke - nothing else) and there is not enough medical data to assess the impact of vaping on the vapers or on others. On the other hand, no one seems enthusiastic about throwing money at people who would conduct such studies, so I am not holding my breath!
I am convinced (by my own experience) that vaping is far better than smoking. Better than not smoking? I just don't know and I do not feel entitled to choose for others what risks they are willing to take with their own health.
From business perspective, there are legal implications that can become very costly...look at the cigarette history. "we didn't know" or "it was an accepted practice" is not an excuse in the eyes of the law. If I had a business, I would be on the conservative side too!
I am convinced (by my own experience) that vaping is far better than smoking. Better than not smoking? I just don't know and I do not feel entitled to choose for others what risks they are willing to take with their own health.
From business perspective, there are legal implications that can become very costly...look at the cigarette history. "we didn't know" or "it was an accepted practice" is not an excuse in the eyes of the law. If I had a business, I would be on the conservative side too!
It was a rinky dink little county office here in rural Arkansas. Being as how it was county, they are at 'at will' employer. They can do pretty much what they like with you as an employee, including sacking you and changing your agreed hours with no notice at all.
I decided it was at will for the employees as well. So...my will took me right out the door
I decided it was at will for the employees as well. So...my will took me right out the door
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