Naive nonsmoker question

[deckley]

Well put CDMC.
But get ready for the backlash! Seems to be if you say ANYTHING against vaping or that is contrary to the supposed geniuses here, they will attack, like hungry wolves. Just look how my 2 cents, trying to give some friendly and unbiased advice to the original poster, went over with this crowd.

 

[xalksx]

My partner is hooked on Coffee ive always said to her she should try a strong coffee e-liquid

Ive got a sweet tooth but liked smoking ..However once a first bought a E-cig the guy that sold me it said u will move from tobacco to fruit/Moorish flavors ..I didn't think so but yea im on the cheese cake as we speak lol

 

[JMarca]

So are you

No, I'm plainly saying don't give someone who's never tried nicotine any nicotine.
It's an addictive substance, that's been proven to be addictive 100 years ago. Same way I wouldn't give a 1 year old caffeine.

Is it deadly? No... but why the hell would you give an addictive substance to a minor or anyone else when they aren't hooked in the first place?
Going on about and trying to vape is fine, but no nic juice should be exercised especially for a minor. It's not about anything more than common sense freakin sense.

 

[Niten13]

Sorry deckley if you think what I said was backlash..

Some folks here (see above) will say that vaping is a good and healthy thing.

I was just pointing out nobody said it is healthy. I would not advise OP's daughter to use nicotine, but as stated she is of age and I do believe it is an adult making the decision. I am not for or against nicotine but I am against scaring people with a substance as dangerous as caffeine which clearly is widely accepted. That does not mean I think kids should have caffeine either.

I have never told someone who has not smoked previously to try vaping. I wan't to be clear, if this was a minor in a parents home vaping, by all means I don't approve but then its up to the parents.

 

[deckley]

If you read mosspa's post, and the link included within, one can clearly see he (a supposed professor of neuroscience) claims nicotine, vaped or however ingested, is a good and healthy substance. I have had a lengthy 'debate' with this person on this forum before, and he even admitted to suggesting to his students to take pharmaceutical drugs for help focus during classes, exams, etc. His drugs of choice? Nicotine and prescription amphetamines. I don't know about the rest of you, but I have a problem with a college professor making that kind of suggestion to his students. My thoughts are that should be decided by the students physician and/or psychologist.

Edit:
The 'debate' I spoke of occurred in a post titled 'non smoker thinking of vaping' or something close to that. Again, in that thread I was chastised because of my opinions and personal thoughts I tried to share. And I was told by the powers that be on this forum that nicotine is not addictive, its only the tobacco that makes it so. Whether or not this is factually true, doesn't matter to me; I don't believe it is wise for anyone who has never smoked/chewed/snorted/vaped nicotine to begin doing so. That is just my opinion, but none the less I was told my opinion is wrong.
These are the backlashes I spoke of. Nothing personal Niten13, sorry if you took it that way.

 

[Niten13]

Sorry again deckley, I agree with you and admit my comment was not in the right context.

As stated I don't think anyone who does not smoke should vape.

 

[edyle]

Why would a nonsmoker want to use eliquid? I'm not looking for answers that a nonsmoker shouldn't start, but why would one want to?

The answers are obvious when you examine your definition of 'nonsmoker'

 

[edyle]

Thank you! I appreciate all the comments to help me understand. She is of age, I just don't understand why she wants to start.

Now that you have provided some background; the answer could be just that it's a better alternative to smoking.
Maybe she's one of those 20% of people who would have ended up being a smoker.

 

[Amraann]

Dawn123, maybe just ask her?

 

[Niten13]

If you read mosspa's post, and the link included within, one can clearly see he (a supposed professor of neuroscience) claims nicotine, vaped or however ingested, is a good and healthy substance. I have had a lengthy 'debate' with this person on this forum before, and he even admitted to suggesting to his students to take pharmaceutical drugs for help focus during classes, exams, etc. His drugs of choice? Nicotine and prescription amphetamines. I don't know about the rest of you, but I have a problem with a college professor making that kind of suggestion to his students. My thoughts are that should be decided by the students physician and/or psychologist.

Edit:
The 'debate' I spoke of occurred in a post titled 'non smoker thinking of vaping' or something close to that. Again, in that thread I was chastised because of my opinions and personal thoughts I tried to share. And I was told by the powers that be on this forum that nicotine is not addictive, its only the tobacco that makes it so. Whether or not this is factually true, doesn't matter to me; I don't believe it is wise for anyone who has never smoked/chewed/snorted/vaped nicotine to begin doing so. That is just my opinion, but none the less I was told my opinion is wrong.
These are the backlashes I spoke of. Nothing personal Niten13, sorry if you took it that way.

No biggie, I did read Mosspas post at first when he did post it but never followed back in to it. No offense taken!
Like I said, obviously I was not in the right context,

 

[Robino1]

Dawn123, maybe just ask her?

And I now hand the title of "Voice of Reason" over to you! Bravo!!

Why didn't anyone even think of doing that??? I like the word "ask" instead of the word the OP used of "Confront". Asking will go a lot further and confrontation is more of getting ready for a fight.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Why would a nonsmoker want to use eliquid? I'm not looking for answers that a nonsmoker shouldn't start, but why would one want to?

Why? I would answer with a question. Why would a non smoker want to smoke? Pretty much the same reasons. Cool, Peer pressure, rebellion, etc.

 

[wheezal]

Dawn123, maybe just ask her?

And I now hand the title of "Voice of Reason" over to you! Bravo!!

Why didn't anyone even think of doing that??? I like the word "ask" instead of the word the OP used of "Confront". Asking will go a lot further and confrontation is more of getting ready for a fight.

Boo!

whar's the infighting? the meltdowns? the back-handed-ness?!? i need Thanksgiving Dinner at my parents house kind of hostility! all these logical and well thought out posts mek me sick!

SICK i say!



you've driven me to drink......more.

 

[TheThirdMan]

I have no earthly clue. Assuming they're using nicotine and not just doing it for flavor.

I was a smoker since I was 15 or 16 and love vaping. I always hated the taste and smell of cigarettes but really loved my nicotine fix. Vaping solved my problem and since I DIY almost everything (haven't gotten around to building my own mod yet sadly) it's been MUCH cheaper and honestly, the hobby involved is very enjoyable as well.

That said, I only know one or two people who were not smokers before vaping and, no offense intended to anyone here, I think they're idiots.

As much as I like vaping and nicotine, it is still easily the worst decision I've ever made in my life. Nicotine has no advantages. Even absent the numerous other chemicals in cigarettes it's universally considered bad for you. Never mind being tethered to chemicals like it. What I wouldn't give to have the freedom from dependency back...

I see a lot of the kids that come into my local coffee shop vape now too (High School kids) and am amazed. They do it much the same as my classmates smoked cigarettes in High School. They want to look cool and it taste good. Anti-Smoking propaganda sells it to them as forbidden for "children," since it's a "mature" choice so they want to prove how mature they really are, plus it's enjoyable.

Are ecig's and vaping better than analog cigarettes? Absolutely. Using a mod with juice made from VG/PG is undoubtedly less unhealthy. But NOT vaping or smoking is certainly best.

 

[LMS62]

^^^^I have to ask.....when you were younger, why did you start smoking cigarettes?

 

[wheezal]

.....when you were younger, why did you start smoking cigarettes?

well what else is thar to do after secks? cuddle? pfffft!

 

[Hydroscopic]

As said, asking is the best way to find out. With that in mind, one thing I didn't see tossed out was that possibly she had started smoking and decided to switch to vaping before the habit got worse. I have a few friends that are by definition non-smokers but do occasionally smoke. Dawn's daughter could also have replaced vaping like those rare instances of people that rarely smoke.

One of them is a social smoker that doesn't chain smoke. She'll smoke when having a drink or at a gathering with other smokers and the rest of the time doesn't touch cigarettes. Mind you 99% of the time even in social settings she doesn't smoke.

Another was what I called an occasional closet smoker. She'd sneak cigarettes once in a while but not as often as a smoker. When she'd get to the point of becoming a regular smoker she'd go cold turkey and quit for months or years again. She switched to vaping to avoid the cigarettes and it also helped mask the fact that she was smoking. She does vape with nicotine but also quits like she used to do with cigarettes.

As for the rest of the discussion, I don't recommend vaping to non-smokers. The only exception to that is if someone tells me they want to try a cigarette. Then I recommend vaping 0mg to kill the curiosity factor. I absolutely do not suggest nicotine to non-smokers. Even with Nicorette, I ended up chewing more than I smoked and I was a half-pack a day smoker back then. Just to illustrate that deterring people from nicotine in general isn't limited to vaping.

That said, if you are of age then the last thing I'm going to do beyond plainly state why I don't recommend starting a habit is take someone to task for it. Having respect for someone's decision goes a long way.

 

[mosspa]

Actually, I wouldn't recommend anyone that has never smoked to start vaping. This is strictly my opinion only. I just think that it creates the situation that led all vapers to vaping, a nicotine addiction!!

If you took the time to read through the thread I referenced at the beginning of this one you would know that I am at least one person that was led to vaping by something other than smoking. I examined all the information I could find from reputable sources, and finally came to the conclusion that for me, vaping nicotine in concentrations high enough to make a difference would be beneficial to me. I have found no credible evidence that suggests nicotine is addicting. So, while vaping does appear to be a way to reduce smoking harm, the preponderance of the empirically derived data suggests that nicotine acts as a cognitive enhancer, especially in a population with aging brains.

 

[mosspa]

It's an addictive substance, that's been proven to be addictive 100 years ago.

Since there is no data that demonstrates that nicotine, itself, produces any kind of dependence syndrome I'm not sure how you can make such a statement and expect to be taken seriously.

Is it deadly? No... but why the hell would you give an addictive substance to a minor or anyone else when they aren't hooked in the first place?

Nobody, as far as I can tell, has suggested anything about giving nicotine to minors, independently of whether or not it's an addictive substance.

Going on about and trying to vape is fine, but no nic juice should be exercised especially for a minor. It's not about anything more than common sense freakin sense.

Well, maybe you are suggesting that minors should be vaping with "no nic juice". But, that seems like an irresponsible suggestion to me.

 

[mosspa]

If you read mosspa's post, and the link included within, one can clearly see he (a supposed professor of neuroscience) claims nicotine, vaped or however ingested, is a good and healthy substance.

That's mostly true in that I said something to the effect of "the research that I evaluated. and by which I was persuaded, suggests nicotine, if divorced from smoking, is a good and healthy substance".

he even admitted to suggesting to his students to take pharmaceutical drugs for help focus during classes, exams, etc. His drugs of choice? Nicotine and prescription amphetamines.

This, however is totally untrue. What I did tell my students, who are all in the 20-23 year old range and who are taking my course on the neurochemistry and pharmacology of psychotropic drugs, was that there is no evidence that the drug nicotine is an addictive substance and that there is ample scientific and anecdotal evidence that suggests that nicotine may provide many of the effects that provide an academic advantage that they are seeking by having their personal physicians prescribe them more potent psychostimulants. In effect, what I was telling my students is that if they are looking for such effects from psychotropic drugs, nicotine would be a much safer place to start than would be amphetamine or amphetamine derivatives.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I have a problem with a college professor making that kind of suggestion to his students. My thoughts are that should be decided by the students physician and/or psychologist.

The only student that I actually "suggested" anything of the sort to was one of my most productive students who has been taking prescribed amphetamine for his ADHD. What I suggested was that he try to see if nicotine could help him ween himself from the drugs he is taking. Since my "suggestion" he has begun to vape nicotine, and even though it has only been a few weeks, he has dramatically reduced his Adderall usage. BTW, he is 22 years old, and knows very well that he could always tell me that he didn't think it was a good idea. He has already gotten As in the three courses of mine that he has taken. There is no coercion connection in our mentor/student relationship. He is, in fact, going to make an excellent research scientist.

but none the less I was told my opinion is wrong

No, you were told that your opinion was uninformed, which it obviously still is.