Nanny State On Steroids

[Petrodus]

Nanny State On Steroids
Elk Grove, California Considers Banning Smoking
In ALL Apartment Complexes: LINK

If this passes...I'm sure an ANTZ will come up with
the brilliant idea to include e-cigs in the ban.

If smoking is banned in all apartment complexes...
The next step would be to ban smoking in private homes
and of course e-cigs produces vapor...it looks like smoke.

Regardless if you are a renter or or home owner...
Don't you consider where you live to be your home?

 

[Vocalek]

Yes, this is one more step in the Godper blueprint. Slowly push smokers out of public buildings, then out of public outdoor venues, out of their homes, and out of their cars. Get as many employers as possible to refuse to hire anyone who uses nicotine in any form.

I wonder if they have thought it through to the end. Do they believe that every last one of the 45.3 million smokers are going to be able to give up nicotine and still be able to function? My best guess is that about half of them won't be able to do so.

According to the US Department of Housing and Urban Development, there were 643,067 sheltered and unsheltered homeless persons nationwide as of January 2009.

So what happens when we add 23 million folks who have been pushed out of their apartments and their jobs to the ranks of the homeless? Where will the nannies be then? My guess is that they will be nowhere to be found to deal with the mess they leave behind.

 

[Myk]

Yes, this is one more step in the Godper blueprint. Slowly push smokers out of public buildings, then out of public outdoor venues, out of their homes, and out of their cars. Get as many employers as possible to refuse to hire anyone who uses nicotine in any form.

I wonder if they have thought it through to the end. Do they believe that every last one of the 45.3 million smokers are going to be able to give up nicotine and still be able to function? My best guess is that about half of them won't be able to do so.

According to the US Department of Housing and Urban Development, there were 643,067 sheltered and unsheltered homeless persons nationwide as of January 2009.

So what happens when we add 23 million folks who have been pushed out of their apartments and their jobs to the ranks of the homeless? Where will the nannies be then? My guess is that they will be nowhere to be found to deal with the mess they leave behind.

I think they've made it clear if you won't quit you should die and they will help. They made this clear when they not only approved one suicide drug for cessation, they approved one that is worse. Then cigarettes are supposed to be bad because of all the chemicals yet they require more chemicals to be added with FSC.

 

[Vocalek]

Speaking of homeless people, this article just came to my attention:

PsychiatryOnline | Psychiatric Services | Smoking Among Chronically Homeless Adults: Prevalence and Correlates

Results: Overall, 80% of the 754 chronically homeless adults reported current cigarette smoking; 48% of the smokers reported trying to limit their smoking, and 75% of the smokers had discussed smoking with a health care professional. No significant overall change in smoking status was found during the study year; however, change in alcohol and drug use was associated with change in smoking status in the same direction.

So apparently making people homeless is not an effective way to help them to quit smoking.

So here is a thought for the nannies: What happens if the person that you kicked out of the apartment building and/or denied employment to has a family to support? Think of the children, for Gosh Sakes!

 

[TennDave]

So here is a thought for the nannies: What happens if the person that you kicked out of the apartment building and/or denied employment to has a family to support? Think of the children, for Gosh Sakes!

I like the way you think!

 

[Bill Godshall]

Petrodus wrote:

If this passes...I'm sure an ANTZ will come up with the brilliant idea to include e-cigs in the ban.

Perhaps Petrodus could provide some evidence of his certainty.

For the past 30 years I've advocated and helped develop and implement smokefree policies for multi unit dwellings (because the smoke obeys the laws of physics by permeating hallways and adjacent units), but I'm not aware of any policies that ban the use of e-cigarettes in apartments, condos or other multi unit residential dwellings.

While there are several anti tobacco extremists who are advocating policies to ban the use of e-cigarettes in multi unit dwellings, the vast majority of those who advocate for smokefree policies in multi unit dwellings have NOT advocated banning the use of e-cigarettes, and I've been working hard to convince them not to do so.

Smearing all smokefree advocates isn't an effective way to build alliances or win e-cigarette policy battles.

Vocalek wrote:

Yes, this is one more step in the Godper blueprint.

The so-called Godber blueprint is nothing more than silly conspiracy theory that has been promoted by several clueless right-to-smoke extremists. Another one of their conspiracy theories is that those who advocate smokefree policies are Nazi followers of Adolf Hitler.

 

[James]

Another one of their conspiracy theories is that those who advocate smokefree policies are Nazi followers of Adolf Hitler.

Probably because Hitler was in fact a fanatic anti-smoker!

Can't agree with you I'm afraid, Bill, I think it is a massive infringement on rights to dictate how we live our lives in our private properties. When you have set the precedent, where will it stop?

 

[kristin]

They don't have to advocate banning e-cigarette use in multi-family dwellings. All they have to do is get smoking banned and then do what they've been doing and trying to do all over the country: add e-cigarette use to the definition of "smoking" in existing smoke-free laws. Or do it vise versa: add e-cigarette use to the definition of smoking and then ban smoking in multi-family dwellings.

Either way, it has the same effect of people not being able to vape in their own home.

 

[DC2]

The so-called Godber blueprint is nothing more than silly conspiracy theory that has been promoted by several clueless right-to-smoke extremists.

Whether or not they are purposefully and knowingly following something specifically referred to as the "Godber Blueprint" is not really relevant, in my opinion. From what I can tell they are following a plan, whether purposefully and knowingly or not, that appears to have a method and an end result that aligns nearly perfectly with that which is referred to as the Godber Blueprint. The important thing here is that whatever you want to call it, they are working diligently on making it happen.