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Agency remains vigilant in investigating and taking action against illegally marketed tobacco products amid epidemic of youth e-cigarette use

This is the biggest joke of all the vaping regulations. The one thing that should have been fixed from the begining. Pass one law that makes it illegal to sell nicotine products to minors. Period end of discussion. Yeah they might still get there hands on them but no more than cigs alcohol or drugs or anything else available to adulta only including porn. But to just sit back and openly allow kids to buy this from the beginning was the governments first and biggest mistake. Now you have big tobacco involved, Kids getting addicted to nicotine and then they want to ban vaping. Wow wonder where they go then. BIG TABACCO of course. But instead. They let kids buy the vaping stuff with nicotine and now the fix is to prevent anyone from vaping. The government with this type of mentality should just ban anything that could hurt kids. Only allow the octogon blocks we use to put the different shapes in as infants.
The other problem is with juices and nicotine. All ejuice suppliers should have to offer zero nic juices by law. I mean isnt the whole point to quit the smoking addiction. Why anyone would start vaping who has never smoked before buy ejuice with nocotine in it has to be insane. It is addictive. My whole goal is to get away from the nicotine so i wont crave the cigs. Some ppl might want to vape fine. Just why with nicotine if you have never smoked.
 

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    Problem is WHAT people vape, not the fact that they vape. TV is conveniently ignoring this.
    I couldn't agree more, and it's not just TV that is ignoring this, and will continue to ignore this. Unfortunately, the general public is going to listen to and believe the loudest voices..
     

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    I just watched an "expert" state that PG causes brain and lung damage. She didn't mention any scientific studies or documentation to support this claim.

    It took about a minute to find this on Wikipedia:

    Propylene glycol is a compound which is generally recognized as safe (GRAS) by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) under 21 CFR x184.1666 and is also approved by FDA for certain uses as an indirect food additive. Propylene glycol is approved and used as a vehicle for topical, oral and some intravenous pharmaceutical preparations in U.S. and in Europe.

    It disturbs me that so many people are willing to jump on any current "band wagon" based on crap science or anything repeated often enough on social media.
     
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    Cooperant

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    I just watched an "expert" state that PG causes brain and lung damage. She didn't mention any scientific studies or documentation to support this claim.

    It took about a minute to find this on Wikipedia:

    Propylene glycol is a compound which is generally recognized as safe (GRAS) by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) under 21 CFR x184.1666 and is also approved by FDA for certain uses as an indirect food additive. Propylene glycol is approved and used as a vehicle for topical, oral and some intravenous pharmaceutical preparations in U.S. and in Europe.

    It disturbs me that so many people are willing to jump on any current "band wagon" based on crap science or anything repeated often enough on social media.

    PG is one of the chemicals for which we do have a small body of long term research based on its use in smoke machines. There are strong indications that prolonged exposure causes oxidative stress in lung tissue cells, as well as contact allergies.

    As it is an alcohol, especially one that you use to deliver a substance through the mucous membranes, there is a legitimacy to these worries. Further research indicates toxicity in the developing brain.

    "Generally recognised as safe" for the known applications (food additive, skin care, mouthwash) by the same agency that licensed fentanyl, oxicotin, zanex, ambien, ...

    Let's not kid ourselves. Vaping is dangerous, unhealthy and addictive.
     

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    Glad I use max VG. Waiting for that to cause kids to be born with 2 left hands or something.

    I'm glad the government is stepping in to halt those illicit juice sellers. Drug laws and gun laws have worked so well, we can all sleep sound tonight……

    It's a societal issue. Nothing less, nothing more. If 20% of the kid population wants to vape liquid corn flakes they're going to find somebody willing to sell liquid corn flakes. Then someone else will make knock off liquid corn flakes and here we go again.

    I just hope they don't start smoking Cheerios 'cause I likes me some genuine Cheerios, not the fake stuff so kids won't smoke it kind like they did with Nyquil and other allergy relief medicines.
     

    vaper1960

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    My mother and I went to eat lunch with a nice old lady and her son (actually older than me) He was very interesting and outspoken on many subjects (that I am interested in... borderline "conspiracy" stuff) we got along fine, then I mentioned I was going out for a break (while we waited for the food) to vape. Oh my gosh... he just got quiet and that look on his face... yes, that look! He said he quit smoking, ate lots of food, gained 10 pounds, then later lost the weight. Just about to give me the "dangers of vaping" speach, but I cut him short. Been through this many times with other people... all brain washed by main stream media.
     

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    This is the biggest joke of all the vaping regulations. The one thing that should have been fixed from the begining. Pass one law that makes it illegal to sell nicotine products to minors. Period end of discussion.
    They did, and promised there would be "boots on the ground" to enforce it.

    Problem was they focused their attention on the vape shops, most of whom were already self-policing themselves to not sell to minors. They should have focused on the gas stations and convenience stores where the kids were buying their JUULs. But they don't have enough "boots" to police all of the gas stations and convenience stores.

    The FDA should have made a rule that gas stations and convenience stores can't sell e-ecigs. Just vape shops and online stores that check for adult identification.
     
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    Glad I use max VG. Waiting for that to cause kids to be born with 2 left hands or something.

    I'm glad the government is stepping in to halt those illicit juice sellers. Drug laws and gun laws have worked so well, we can all sleep sound tonight……

    It's a societal issue. Nothing less, nothing more. If 20% of the kid population wants to vape liquid corn flakes they're going to find somebody willing to sell liquid corn flakes. Then someone else will make knock off liquid corn flakes and here we go again.

    I just hope they don't start smoking Cheerios 'cause I likes me some genuine Cheerios, not the fake stuff so kids won't smoke it kind like they did with Nyquil and other allergy relief medicines.
    Can't complain about vaping Cheerios, they are heart healthy.[emoji16]

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    Some vape detractors do leverage on the poor knowledge of the general public about organic chemistry, when they alledge about the PG toxicity.

    This because Polypropilene Glycol, a food additive, has a similar sounding name to Polyethilene Glycol, which is a toxic chemical meant for industrial use.

    The name "Glycol", representing a class of chemical compounds which are an hybrid between oil and alchool, has a sinister sound for some, which play into the hands of those who spread disinformation about vaping e-liquids.
     

    Baditude

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    Some vape detractors do leverage on the poor knowledge of the general public about organic chemistry, when they alledge about the PG toxicity.

    This because Polypropilene Glycol, a food additive, has a similar sounding name to Polyethilene Glycol, which is a toxic chemical meant for industrial use.

    The name "Glycol", representing a class of chemical compounds which are an hybrid between oil and alchool, has a sinister sound for some, which play into the hands of those who spread disinformation about vaping e-liquids.
    I agree. Early versions of antifreeze liquid used polyethilene glycol, which is a toxic chemical. If dogs, cats, or even humans drink it they would get sick and possibly die.

    Manufacturers switched to using polypropilene glycol as a safer non-toxic chemical some years back so dogs, cats, and humans wouldn't die should it be consumed. Still works as intended for radiators.

    So when misinformed people see you vaping and say you are vaping antifreeze. They're right. Just tell them, "I know, but its the SAFE kind."

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    stols001

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    "Fair and Balanced" was Fox, but I think they gave up on the slogan, even they could not continue to claim it with impunity. Like, Fox is pretty bad, but they all are.

    I didn't see it (didn't do nothing but WORK this week) but I wish it had been on CNNNBC or whatever letter, they could have made the Andersonbot vape and he could have shorted out.

    Sigh. If only. I'm sure it was terrible, I am having trouble mustering the energy to care.

    Anna
     
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