Nearing disaster in New York - please take action NOW to prevent e-cigarette ban.

[UntamedRose]

sooo im lost here... are e cigs banned in NY or not?

They are not currently, however there is a pending bill that would make them illegal. Which is what we are all trying to prevent from happening.

 

[empnero]

I think that the bill hasn't been voted on yet, they seem to have added a ban to adults as well. So far it appears to have unanimous NY legislator approval (all approve, zero oppose). Your governor Patterson is in a very powerful position, I believe, as he alone can veto the whole corruption, to the best of my knowledge.

As it says in the beginning of the post: Passed in the assembly unanimously, hasn't come up in the senate yet.

Unfortunately Patterson is also an idiot with a 20% approval rating and he's a tax ..... (soda, itunes, he put a whole list out of things we wants to tax). The only way he'll be of any assistance is if we tell him to tax instead of ban. The thing that call girl, Ashley Dupree, should feel bad about is not her life choices, but leaving us with Patterson.

 

[v1John]

As it says in the beginning of the post: Passed in the assembly unanimously, hasn't come up in the senate yet.

Unfortunately Patterson is also an idiot with a 20% approval rating and he's a tax ..... (soda, itunes, he put a whole list out of things we wants to tax). The only way he'll be of any assistance is if we tell him to tax instead of ban. The thing that call girl, Ashley Dupree, should feel bad about is not her life choices, but leaving us with Patterson.

..... or not, I really think he needs communication with vapers. The first step is to obatain assurance to veto the bill and allow the advancement of electronic cigarettes. Step two will then come automatically, and real stores will open up in New York who can sell parts and supplies and pay tax. Without stores in NY, we may even see New Yorkers in Virginia buying parts and supplies here, and helping Virginia pay tax.

 

[pbusardo]

I watched the NYS Assembly video again.

You know what? This video scares the hell out of me and it should scare the hell out of any New Yorker.

If this is how our elected officials educate themselves to point they feel comfortable voting something into law then God help us all.

I mean there wasn't one person who questioned her "findings".

How much money do these people make?

Unreal!

 

[karmatized]

Words can non describe my anger when i watched that video, I cant watch it again im gonna end up breaking something

 

[DC2]

I haven't watched it and I'm not going to.
I am quite certain I WILL break something if I watch it.

 

[empnero]

..... or not, I really think he needs communication with vapers. The first step is to obatain assurance to veto the bill and allow the advancement of electronic cigarettes. Step two will then come automatically, and real stores will open up in New York who can sell parts and supplies and pay tax. Without stores in NY, we may even see New Yorkers in Virginia buying parts and supplies here, and helping Virginia pay tax.

I agree with everything but 1 thing, for me instead of VA it will prob be PA or [shudder] NJ [/shudder]

 

[karmatized]

step away from your monitor if you are going to watch it also dont put anything around you that can be thrown

 

[dyna1269]

I have been following this thread and I am appalled at whats going on. Beyond the fact that I have been happily vaping for 9 months which has allowed me to feel better as in my breathing, sense of smell and physically as well. To top it off I just launched my web site 2 weeks ago. I made a phone call to each & every number to those Senators and hope it made a difference...

I haven't seen mention of ASH, (cant put a link cuz I dont have enough posts) this organization who is putting a lot of fuel on the fire. They should keep their eye on tobacco and be for vaping. Of course everyone on this thread that watched the video realizes these people have no idea what their talking about. With all the issues we have going on in the world, their gonna waste their time on this! Is there anyway we can let this ash organization know how positive this has been for all of us and the lively hoods that their threatening?

 

[keon718nyc]

Regardless of what happens to our wonderful state (NY), I will vape on.... Wether it be underground market or stocking up on atty's and supplies, they will not stop me from vaping period! I feel the same as the rest of us new yorkers and all over the state with wide bans to follow ofcourse. What has this state come to is beoned what i ever imagined. I sent out faxes and email and did as much in my power as i can to put a hault to this. I hope for the best~

 

[WhatAClumsyGirl]

I dont know if this is the appropriate place to put this but here goes.

Tom Petty is using ecigs to quit smoking

Leonardo DiCaprio currently uses ecigs

I dont have twitter, but both of these celebrities do.

If anyone can twitter to them, it might be a very good idea to do so.

Here are their websites :

L E O N A R D O D I C A P R I O - Official Website

TomPetty.com > Home


Just a thought...but it would definately help if we could get a celebrity to help fight the cause.

 

[cynthiadavis]

For those of you sitting here thinking someone else will do it. No they will not. Do it, do it now.

 

[Hudsonkm]

I dont know if this is the appropriate place to put this but here goes.

Tom Petty is using ecigs to quit smoking

Leonardo DiCaprio currently uses ecigs

I dont have twitter, but both of these celebrities do.

If anyone can twitter to them, it might be a very good idea to do so.

Here are their websites :

L E O N A R D O D I C A P R I O - Official Website

TomPetty.com > Home


Just a thought...but it would definately help if we could get a celebrity to help fight the cause.

Heard "rumors" that Obama had tried to or uses them currently to help with his smoking problem.

But that is just a rumor based on pictures taken of Obama outside the white house with what "APPEARED" to be an E-Cig in his mouth.

Would be nice if somebody was able to confirm or deny that.

Also I think Leo uses green cigs. Maybe they have a way of contacting him.

Forgive my abundance of smiley faces. I use them far too often when annoyed about something.

I watched the NYS Assembly video again.

You know what? This video scares the hell out of me and it should scare the hell out of any New Yorker.

Unreal!

Should scare the hell out of anybody in the United States. Not just New Yorkers....

I haven't seen mention of ASH, (cant put a link cuz I dont have enough posts) this organization who is putting a lot of fuel on the fire. They should keep their eye on tobacco and be for vaping. Of course everyone on this thread that watched the video realizes these people have no idea what their talking about. With all the issues we have going on in the world, their gonna waste their time on this! Is there anyway we can let this ash organization know how positive this has been for all of us and the lively hoods that their threatening?

Ash has openly taken credit for the New York ban effort... Even though I doubt they had much to do with it from the look of it. They try to take credit for ANYTHING related to E-Cigarettes if its within their own interest.

They likely would have tried to take credit for Illinois had the result of our bill not turned out as favorable on part of E-Cigarette users.

 

[kristin]

Ash has openly taken credit for the New York ban effort... Even though I doubt they had much to do with it from the look of it. They try to take credit for ANYTHING related to E-Cigarettes if its within their own interest.

They likely would have tried to take credit for Illinois had the result of our bill not turned out as favorable on part of E-Cigarette users.

"He" not "they"

 

[Hudsonkm]

"He" not "they"

I stand corrected.

Doesn't he have a bunch of intern volunteers he abuses to do research for him?

 

[kristin]

I stand corrected.

Doesn't he have a bunch of intern volunteers he abuses to do research for him?

Maybe, but I don't want people to get the impression that ASH is any bigger than Banzhaf's ego.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

ASH's executive director, John F. Banzhaf, III, has been called the "Ralph Nader of the Tobacco Industry," "Mr. Anti-Smoking," and the "Man behind the Ban on Cigarette Commercials". He is perhaps the best known spokesman for the anti-smoking community, and has frequently discussed and debated many topics related to smoking. He has appeared frequently on news, talk-show, and debate programs including the McNeil-Lehrer News Hour, Today, Good Morning America, Nightline, Crossfire, Face The Nation, and many others. He has been a featured speaker at many World Conferences on tobacco, and has testified numerous times on topics related to smoking.


John Banzhaf is also a Professor of Public Interest Law at the George Washington University Law School where he is widely known for his public-interest activities relating to environmental protection, auto safety, sex discrimination, governmental corruption and many other problems. In addition to his legal expertise, he brings to ASH his background as a scientist and research engineer with a degree from M.I.T., two U.S. patents and several published technical papers.


Ash's Board of Trustees includes many people of great skill and determination who have demonstrated their concern about smoking, and their support for activities to reduce it.


These include Dr. Alfred Munzer of the Washington Adventist Hospital, and former President of the American Lung Association; Dr. Chuck Crawford, President of Kimball Physics; Mr. Martin Adam Jacobs of the New York Mercantile Exchange; and Mrs. Ethel R. Wells of Dynamic Strategy Research Foundation.


ASH's Board of Sponsors includes Hon. Anthony C. Beilenson, Former U.S. Congressman, CA; Mr. William E. Bloomfield, Pres., Web Service Co. Inc.; Hon. Joseph A. Califano Jr., Pres., Nationall Center on Addiction, and former Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health, Education, and Welfare; Dr. Kenneth H. Cooper, MD, MPH, Founder, Aerobics Fitness Center.; Rev. A.R. Taylor Denues, PhD, Founder CANCIRCO; Rev. Robert J. Drinan, S.J., Georgetown University Law Center; Dr. Frederick H. Epstein, Inst. Social & Preventative Med.; Dr. Emmanuel Farber, University of Toronto; Dr. Donald T. Frederickson, NYU Medical School; Robert A. Griese, Dolphin Productions; Paul P. Kaiser, Chairman, Tasty Baking Co., Emeritus; Prince Joli Q. Kansil, Xanadu Leisure, LTD; Charles W. Lantz, Pres., Citizens National Bank; Dr. Louis Lasagna, Tufts University., School of Medicine; Robert Levy, The Washington Post; Robert Ludwig, Pres., Non-Smokers' Association; Madeline Manning Mims, Olympic Gold and Silver Medalist; Charles Matthau, Hollywood Director; Dr. Joseph L. Melnick, Baylor College of Medicine; Hon. Howard Metzenbaum, Former U.S. Senator; Ms. Diane Disney Miller, Philanthropist; Miss Bess Myerson, Consumer Advocate; Margaret A. New, PhD., Fund Raising Consultant; Howard R. Sacks, Esq., Prof. of Law, University of Connecticut; Lyndon Sanders, Classic Motor Inn; Dr. Mona M. Shangold, Amer. Col. Sports Med.; Dr. William A. Shurcliff, Physicist; Dr. Dunbar W. Smith, Loma Linda University.; Dr. Katherine R. Sturgis, Med. College of Pennsylvania, Emeritus; Dr. Louis Sullivan, Morehouse School of Medicine; Dr. Robert Switzer, Dunn Loring, VA; Miss Abigail Van Buren, Syndicated Columnist; Austin G. Van Hove, Ther-N-Bak Travel; Mr. Dennis Weaver; Film and Television Personality; Mr. Roger Williams, Pianist and Television Artist; Alfreda Winnings, Fund-Raising Executive; and many others

 

[kristin]

I stand corrected. We never seem to hear from anyone but him though. And financial sponsors are different from active participants, IMO.

And of course, that's from Banzhaf's own website. I wouldn't be surprised if some puffery wasn't utilized.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Banzhaf has the name and the reputation so he is the spokesman. As I have said, striking out at him is not really effective or productive. If you read the cases he has been involved in, they include environmental protection, auto safety, sex discrimination, governmental corruption and other issues that most here would agree with.

We may be at odds wth his position here, but that is not going to help the cause. Learn from him as he is effective and then use it to or advantage.


Sun

 

[kristin]

Even his own peers think he's a slimeball, Sun. He's an ambulance-chaser who hides behind a "cause."

Know thine enemy - but you don't have to emulate him.

John F. Banzhaf III is leading the charge to sue food companies for their customers’ choices. For Banzhaf and his trial-lawyer allies, “big food” is the next tobacco-style cash cow, ripe for the multi-billion-dollar picking.
Banzhaf has never met a lawsuit he didn’t like. A George Washington University law professor, Banzhaf brags that his signature class is nicknamed “Suing for Credit” (and, by some, “Sue the .......s 101”). That’s clearly Banzhaf’s passion: his vanity license plate reads “SUE BAST.”

Banzhaf was one of the first trial lawyers to propose health-related litigation against tobacco companies. As executive director of Action on Smoking and Health (ASH), Banzhaf pays himself over $200,000 per year in salary and benefits. That’s in addition to his professor’s salary. While he claims he “won’t see a dime” from food lawsuits, he said the same about tobacco torts many years ago. ASH sells tobacco “lawsuit kits” for $25 each.

While he’s still collecting hefty checks from ASH, Banzhaf now receives more attention for his frivolous scheme to bleed restaurants dry. First attacking fast-food in July 2002, Banzhaf served as an adviser to a lawsuit filed by New York attorney Samuel Hirsch on behalf of Caesar Barber -- a morbidly obese man whose health suffered because of his poor diet and lack of exercise. Barber’s suit claimed McDonald’s was to blame because he ate too much.

After the Barber suit was laughed out of the court of public opinion, Hirsch and Banzhaf went back to the drawing board for their second multi-billion-dollar fishing expedition. This one used children as the bait. The trial judge dismissed the case, writing: “If a person knows or should know that eating copious orders of super-sized McDonald’s products is unhealthy and may result in weight gain, it is not the place of the law to protect them from their own excesses.”

Banzhaf has lost every obesity-related case he’s been involved in, but that hasn’t stopped him from falsely claiming “victory.” In order to mislead the public into thinking obesity lawsuits are sensible and mainstream, he’s bragged about several so-called “wins” in these cases. One of his self-proclaimed “victories” (over mislabeled ice cream containers in Florida) resulted in customers being offered two free desserts for every one they had purchased. In another case, brought against McDonald’s for not listing beef tallow as a French-fry ingredient, Banzhaf himself admitted that it wasn’t really an obesity suit: “Now, notice,” he told a 2003 food policy conference in Washington, DC, “This is not, first of all, an obesity case. I mean, this wasn't the problem. We couldn't prove that anybody got fat, or that anybody got sick.” His other obesity “victories” are just as flimsy.

Banzhaf threatens so many obesity-related lawsuits against food companies that it can be hard to keep track. In June 2003 he sent letters to six fast-food chains demanding that they display “warning” notices about the allegedly “addictive” nature of fatty foods. He even claimed that fast food “can act on the brain the same way as nicotine or .......” One month later, Banzhaf teamed up with the Center for Science in the Public Interest to warn six ice cream chains that lawsuits could result from their refusal to immediately “list the calorie (and, ideally, saturated fat) content of each item” on their menus and menu boards.

He even threatened to sue the Seattle School Board -- and individual school board members -- for making soft drinks available to teenagers in school. Banzhaf has also discussed going after milk producers because the famous “Got Milk?” ads don’t mention the benefits of skim milk. Just as cream rises to the top, John Banzhaf can always be counted on to sink as low as possible.