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[bigcoop69]

Okay, so most of my shop are vapers and here recently some of them have been having some issues with vaping...3 are complaining of heart issues...Best way to describe it is "mur murs" or beating fast...They heard it was caused by vaping but I don't by that one bit since I am the most senior vaper in the shop and have never experienced anything like that...Thanks in advanced all

-Coop

 

[iKN0WaGH0ST]

What mg are they having and how heavily do they vape?

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[bigcoop69]

Most of them are using 18mg and don't vape no where near as much as me...

 

[iKN0WaGH0ST]

Everyone has different tolerances when it comes to nicotine. Many factors can play into it. Their tolerance to nicotine, how much they smoked before they started vaping, their weight, hydration, etc etc.

I'm no doctor, so maybe someone more educated on the issue will step in with some info.

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[bigcoop69]

I know that hydration is a big thing when it comes to vaping...Might be one of their issues...Thats okay I am going to keep waiting to what else people have to say

 

[CountSmackula]

they could have pg or vg allergies... or they're all sharing the same defective juice

 

[bigcoop69]

Well could not be a defective juice since they are all using different types...

 

[bigcoop69]

Anybody else with ideas..??

 

[Bullwinkle]

The active ingredient is nicotine.

The other ingredients could be causing a reaction, probably not a heart murmur though.

The place to start looking for problems is the nicotine since they are having symptoms across different juices. It seems at first to be the common factor. Also, nicotine can cause a similar feeling if overdone.

Vapor takes longer than smoke to deliver the payload. They may be trying to get the smoke-like feeling with vapor. This will catch up on them and may cause physical effects.

Tell them to lower the nic or slow the vape.





Wimps.

 

[bigcoop69]

Hard to believe you can over-do nicotine like that...I know there have been many times when I have vaped alomst a whole tank of 24 nic juice in a couple hours when I was drinking but never felt anything bad like that...

 

[Bullwinkle]

Drop in a big dip of Skoal or Cope or drip and chain-vape some 36 mg first thing in the morning and you will feel it.

It can and will get you.

I doubt that you have a shop full of folks with heart murmurs. Maybe one, but three? Possible but not probable.

My money is on Occam's razor FTW.

 

[bigcoop69]

LMAO...Well they keep on pointing the finger towards vaping and I have been doing it the longest in the shop and nothing but good has came from it for me...Occam's razor sounds good to me lol

 

[MickeyRat]

I have little doubt they are getting too much nicotine and they need to move to a lower nic juice. I had a real problem with this when I started. It took me quite a while to get it resolved. Apparently, this varies quite a bit from person to person with the majority not having the kind of trouble I had.

I ended up going to 12mg to get rid of the problem. That caused one of two things to happen on occasion. I either vaped like a fiend or I got cravings. So, I carried some 24mg and a means to drip. When I found I needed more, I'd drip 3 or 4 drops then wait 10 minutes or so. Nicotine when vaped doesn't seem to hit as quickly. That's why the wait. If they do this, after a while, they'll probably find they do less and less dripping. I still do a couple times a month but. I started at 5 or 6 times a day.

I owe a thanks to those on here that advised me what was going on and encouraged me to stuck with it. Without them, I would have given up.

 

[Dana A]

+1 for it being too much nicotine at once.

 

[VaporPhreak]

Agree with others on the too much nic theory. I would advise dropping the nic level in their juice to the next lowest commercial level. If they are using 18mg as you said, then have them drop to 12. I had this issue after a few months of vaping 24mg. My experience was short periods of rapid heart beat and an increase in skipped beats. I have a heart murmur myself (birth defect) and I usually dont get much trouble from it except the occasional missed beat or 2. Kinda feels like getting hit in the chest, but it passes quick. The faster the heart beat however, the more likely it will occur. I started DIY after I started getting the short periods of rapid heart beat and dropped to 10mg and since then no issues.

 

[njgeek]

They call it a murmur, I'm more willing to bet it's premature ventricular contractions (PVCs). They sound bad but are harmless, basically it's when your heart beats one time out of exact sync (skipped a beat), resulting in a larger next thump and quickened pace for a little while. They can be caused by stress, lack of sleep, excess caffeine, and excess nicotine.

I'm betting they took too much at one time and their heart got a little out of sync. Again, it's totally harmless unless it develops into more advanced arrhythmias (which is rare). I had this problem when I first went from analogs (controlled nicotine in short bursts on a prolonged interval) to snus (continuous nicotine in semi-high dosage), after a while it just disappeared.

 

[sidetrack]

Tachycardia= Too fast
Types...Atrial or Superventricular(SVT)

Who is likely to have Atrial or SVT?
•SVT is the most common type of arrhythmia in children
•More common in women, but may occur in either sex
•Anxious young people
•People who are physically fatigued
•People who drink large amounts of coffee
•People who drink alcohol heavily
•People who smoke heavily

My guess would be too much nicotine. I had the same problem in the beginning and just reduced my mg. Been O.K. since then, even zero nic now! I found it helpfull to have a higher and lower mg liquid on hand at all times. Most people need higher mg in the AM and can drop down the mg in the PM. YMMV

 

[kristin]

Nicotine is a stimulant. So is caffeine. E-cigarette liquid dries your mouth, making you drink more liquids. If you drink more caffeinated drinks while vaping, you are basically becoming over-stimulated and that will cause your heart to race. I agree with njgeek about the PVCs. (These have been happening to me for years before I started vaping, so it's nice to know the name finally!) And I have all of the causes in my life - stress, too little sleep and I consume a lot of nicotine and caffeine...so it makes a lot of sense!

 

[LeDean]

Hydrate and lower Nic %. If that doesn't help, they should consult their physicians.

 

[njgeek]

Nicotine is a stimulant. So is caffeine. E-cigarette liquid dries your mouth, making you drink more liquids. If you drink more caffeinated drinks while vaping, you are basically becoming over-stimulated and that will cause your heart to race. I agree with njgeek about the PVCs. (These have been happening to me for years before I started vaping, so it's nice to know the name finally!) And I have all of the causes in my life - stress, too little sleep and I consume a lot of nicotine and caffeine...so it makes a lot of sense!

You can get it confirmed if you like, they usually will show up on an EKG but usually the doctors would fit you with something called a Holter Monitor over a period of time. They're kind of fun to watch on the EKG, you see a steady rhythm of beats then a small one slightly off, like the heart just got REALLY confused, then a big strong one like kind of a comeback and on it goes. Every once in a while you'll get them back to back and it can be a little odd; you're not supposed to feel your heart beating on a regular basis, so the most scary part about it is that it directs attention to your heart.

The PVCs themselves are harmless. If you experience other heart disease symptoms (of which PVCs can be one) that's when you worry.