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Discussion in 'DIY E-Liquid' started by DDDWho, Mar 8, 2020.

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  1. DDDWho

    DDDWho Senior Member ECF Veteran

    May 13, 2016
    I'm thinking of buying a bit of bulk juice for stock.
    If a juice is listed as 3mg nicotine regardless of size of container, what size container are we talking about?
    How much flavor for a liter of juice? I menthol only.
     
  2. Letitia

    Letitia Citrus Junkie ECF Veteran

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    Apr 2, 2017
    West Frankfort, IL
    Are you asking about a commercial juice or a flavor concentrate to add to a 3mg base?
     
  3. DDDWho

    DDDWho Senior Member ECF Veteran

    May 13, 2016
    Flavor concentrate to a 80/20 base. OK, let me put it thisaway. How much nicotine @ 3mg is in a liter of juice? 3mg is listed throughout the range of juice sizes on the sellers website
     
  4. vaper1960

    vaper1960 Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Apr 24, 2019
    California, US
    You need to post on the DIY forum (or ask to have this moved... happens all the time, maybe this will help)
    @classwife
    The Unflavored "base" is 3mg/ml. What brand of flavor concentrate are you wanting to use? They are all different as to how much you use... could be anything from 1% to 10% (or even more) You really need to explain better what you are trying to do.
     
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  5. vaper1960

    vaper1960 Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Apr 24, 2019
    California, US
    Have you ordered anything yet? If not, wait and we can give you better options.
     
  6. DavidOck

    DavidOck ECF Guru ECF Veteran

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    Nic is given as a percent, so your cited 3 mg is 3 mg/ml. So for example a 30 ml bottle of 3 mg/ml nic would have 90 mg of nic, total. Since it's a percent, bottle size doesn't matter.

    Most of us get our bulk nic at 100 mg/ml (some go higher), then cut it down with PG and VG to the final strength and ratio desired.
     
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  7. Letitia

    Letitia Citrus Junkie ECF Veteran

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    Apr 2, 2017
    West Frankfort, IL
    Where do you see 3%?
     
  8. DDDWho

    DDDWho Senior Member ECF Veteran

    May 13, 2016
    I’m looking at Liquid Nicotine Wholesalers out of Phoenix. My normal store bought juice 79/21 and 0.2% (2mg/ml) nic level. As I said menthol is my only flavor. I guess I answered my question about mg/ml. My only remaining question would be adding the menthol flavor
     
  9. DavidOck

    DavidOck ECF Guru ECF Veteran

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    Might want to grill your local shop. 0.2% is 20mg/ml, not 2 mg/ml.

    Can't help on the menthol % you need, since I don't use it. But start low, say 1 or 2%, or maybe even 0.5%. Easy to add more, hard to subtract :)
     
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  10. classwife

    classwife Admin Admin Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Moved this to DIY E-Liquid

    This doesn't makes any sense.

    3mg nic is a measurement of nic to ml - regardless of the size of the bottle.

    A 30ml bottle of 3mg e-liquid will have 90mg of nic
    A 100ml bottle of 3mg e-liquid will have 300mg of nic.
     
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  11. Letitia

    Letitia Citrus Junkie ECF Veteran

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    Apr 2, 2017
    West Frankfort, IL
    You'll have to decide on what brand menthol before determining what percent to add. It would serve you well to do small 5-10ml test mixes before mixing up an entire liter.
     
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  12. UncleJunkle

    UncleJunkle Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 29, 2010
    ^^^^^ this!

    I don't know about menthol, but with peppermint 2.25% was WAAAAAAAY too much. Such that it tasted and smelled like aftershave or shaving cream. This was for a straight peppermint juice, no other flavors.

    I would take the advice above and start at 0.5% or maybe even lower. I have not experimented with peppermint again after that so I can't tell you what will end up being a good % for my peppermint yet. But I'm starting with 0.5% next time. Brand I used was TFA, btw.
     
  13. classwife

    classwife Admin Admin Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    No, you are talking about 2 different nic percentages here - see below.

    This ^

    Please learn more before you start messing with DIY.

    Edit to add...
    Sorry...
    I freaking hate math... :lol:
    Thousands, hundreds, tens (decimal) tenths, hundredths, thousandths
     
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  14. DDDWho

    DDDWho Senior Member ECF Veteran

    May 13, 2016


    That’s why I’m here
     
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  15. classwife

    classwife Admin Admin Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Well ya skeered me when you said " I guess I answered my question about mg/ml.



    You're in very good hands here :)
     
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  16. DDDWho

    DDDWho Senior Member ECF Veteran

    May 13, 2016
  17. Letitia

    Letitia Citrus Junkie ECF Veteran

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    Apr 2, 2017
    West Frankfort, IL
  18. DDDWho

    DDDWho Senior Member ECF Veteran

    May 13, 2016
    . My supplier lists his products by %
     
  19. Letitia

    Letitia Citrus Junkie ECF Veteran

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    Apr 2, 2017
    West Frankfort, IL
    Here we generally use mg.
     
  20. UncleJunkle

    UncleJunkle Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 29, 2010
    Back to your initial questions...

    Flavor percentages aren't something most (all?) manufacturers divulge, otherwise they would be giving away their recipe and therefore they'd be out of business. No restaurant is going to give out the recipe for their dishes, same for eliquid manufacturers. Trade secret.

    Whatever size you buy. Container size has no bearing on the strength of the nicotine. 3mg is 3mg is 3mg. That is what you'll get, 3mg (per ml) strength.

    A 1 liter (aka 1,000ml) bottle of 3mg (aka 3mg/ml) nic base has 3,000mg of nic in the whole bottle. 1000*3=3000

    A 100ml bottle of 3mg (aka 3mg/ml) nic base has 300mg of nic in the whole bottle.

    A 50ml bottle of 3mg (aka 3mg/ml) nic base has 150mg of nic in the whole bottle.

    A 30ml bottle of 3mg (aka 3mg/ml) nic base has 90mg of nic in the whole bottle.

    A 15ml bottle of 3mg (aka 3mg/ml) nic base has 45mg of nic in the whole bottle.

    A 10ml bottle of 3mg (aka 3mg/ml) nic base has 30mg of nic in the whole bottle.

    A 5ml bottle of 3mg (aka 3mg/ml) nic base has 15mg of nic in the whole bottle.

    Therefore, if you vape 12ml of 3mg (aka 3mg/ml) strength eliquid per day, you consume 36mg of nicotine per day.

    That's what DIY eliquid calculators are for...

    DIY E-liquid | Steam Engine | free vaping calculators

    There are many others, both online and client-side programs/apps.

    What DIY calcs can't help you with is how much flavor you need to get the perfect taste. That's something for you to figure out. Taste is subjective and there are many other factors (like wattage you vape at, etc) that determine what it will taste like.
     
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