need help plz

[Silence]

Guys I am going to try to build a decision tree for new smokers, to help them decide what model might suit them best based on the pros, cons, features, and price range of each. I know about the 4081 and the 501, i need models and info for the others too please! If we can get this info this might help the questions on the new members forum

 

[Valkerie]

Exactly what kind of information do you need?

 

[SheerLuckHolmes]

Vap'n is such a unique personal experience, as each of us have found out. Helping newbees into the vap'n experience is very tough. Even if you were able to develop... say a spead sheet listing all the factors, amount of vapor produced, amount of flavor produced, votage and how that effects the first two, battery size, how close various models mimic the analog experience, on and on and on....

In a perfect world there would be a vap'n lounge in each city where a newbee could go and sit trying out all the multiple choices for several hours to several days until they discovered their preferences.

As it stands now, we each spent hundreds of dollars going through multiple devices and permutations to get where we are now. For me the PV journey more closely resembles the hobby of pipe smoking than smoking analogs. Or possibly wine tasting. It is an art form that takes time and a love for the journey. Quite a bit different from switching from Winstons to Salems to Marlboros.

 

[DinosaurVapor]

Sounds difficult, something i dont have time for lol

good luck!

 

[Silence]

well i was thinking about taking the info in the below article and listing in a drop down and as you make choices the "app" narrows down the selection for you. as far as info thats need i would need to know things like are manual and auto batteries needed 3 piece or 2 piece, just a list of the features of various models... its a pain at first but i think it may really help when deciding for first time which model to buy...

 

[DinosaurVapor]

well i was thinking about taking the info in the below article and listing in a drop down and as you make choices the "app" narrows down the selection for you. as far as info thats need i would need to know things like are manual and auto batteries needed 3 piece or 2 piece, just a list of the features of various models... its a pain at first but i think it may really help when deciding for first time which model to buy...

wasnt discounting it, i wish you the best of luck!!!!

 

[jj2]

You might find it easier to start by coming up with a questionair.

 

[KermieD]

Decision tree like this?

 

[Kent C]

Guys I am going to try to build a decision tree for new smokers, to help them decide what model might suit them best based on the pros, cons, features, and price range of each. I know about the 4081 and the 501, i need models and info for the others too please! If we can get this info this might help the questions on the new members forum

I'll save you some time. 98% want something that "looks like a cigarette" and "tastes like what they smoke". Forget that last part since it won't happen, but the 'looks like requirement' will lead them all down the SE, Njoy, Blu cig black hole.... once they climb out, then perhaps some decision tree might be helpful. You're liable to divert those who already haven't gone down that hole to dive into it. Surely not what you intend.

Despite the fact that there's an information overload for some, many can actually navigate through that and come to a good decision by asking questions and getting feedback from real people - whom they can evaluate trust by the manner by which their answers are given or by the banners that are flown. Isn't that somewhat how you did it? Or did you just fall for the first person that said buy a 510, Chuck or vaporking!!!!!! they're GREAT!!!!! OR did you get PMed with a 'Deal' from a supplier? I did my first week.

Do your thing, but if it doesn't work out like you think, just don't be surprised.

 

[Silence]

KermieD: I was thinking along those lines only more software based...

KentC: I understand the concern I just thought it would be a good place to start then a newb could ask in the forum and feel confident in their suggestion. As for how I chose my first e-cig? It was the nPro. I had seen e-cigs in the mall and thought it was a great idea but at $150 i wasn't willing to invest in them. When I came across the nJoy products at a reasonable $49.99, I jumped on it. Then I ran across this forum... I took what I did like from the nPro did a good deal of research,asked around, and came to the conclusion that I wanted a 510. I just it would have been a big help for there to be a system where I could make choices about what I was looking for in an e-cig and get a cpl reccomendations that match what I was looking for. I was just trying to give someone new this ever expanding and vastly confusing topic, a sound basis to make a possible life altering decision on. you are correct how ever that I do not wish to lead someone down a road that may lead to an SE decision. I understand also that a company like nJoy is also expensive if you believe that you must use their prefilled cats. However nJoy has very good customer service. I initially cared that I had something that looked like a cigarette. I quickly got over it tho but I do see the concern.

 

[Kent C]

Silence says:

KentC: I understand the concern I just thought it would be a good place to start then a newb could ask in the forum and feel confident in their suggestion. As for how I chose my first e-cig? It was the nPro. I had seen e-cigs in the mall and thought it was a great idea but at $150 i wasn't willing to invest in them. When I came across the nJoy products at a reasonable $49.99, I jumped on it. Then I ran across this forum... I took what I did like from the nPro

Ok so far....

did a good deal of research,asked around, and came to the conclusion that I wanted a 510.

But this part - "did some research, asked around..." is the part that setting up a system that asks - what the newbie wants - would go south. The fact is, is that newbies don't have enough information to know that what they want won't lead them to the best decision. And what you did to make an informed decision - a good deal or research and asking around, would be short circuited.

And a decision tree, there's no branch that informs them about how, what they want, isn't going to get them there. The most stated advice on juice for example, is 'there is no juice that is going to taste like what you're smoking'. So in such a system, if the question is 'what flavor would you like?' And the answer is 'Marlboro lights' there is no branch to follow that, other than perhaps 'Pick another flavor'

I just it would have been a big help for there to be a system where I could make choices about what I was looking for in an e-cig

Again, I would find it hard to believe that people that are vaping happily on a Janty Stick, Bartleby, Chuck, Prodigy, etc. would have said in a decision tree - I want something that doesn't look at all like a cigarette but looks more like a .... or a cell phone with a stick coming out of it. Yet, if you ask those people today, they will tell you in no uncertain terms that their mod is the best PV they've owned, and wish they would have moved to it sooner since they could have saved a lot of money and grief.

and get a cpl reccomendations that match what I was looking for. I was just trying to give someone new this ever expanding and vastly confusing topic, a sound basis to make a possible life altering decision on. you are correct how ever that I do not wish to lead someone down a road that may lead to an SE decision. I understand also that a company like nJoy is also expensive if you believe that you must use their prefilled cats. However nJoy has very good customer service. I initially cared that I had something that looked like a cigarette. I quickly got over it tho but I do see the concern.

In this sense 'good customer service' is overrated unless it has a full refund policy on their diime and no questions asked. But even then, you're still smoking analogs.

IF there was a way to be absolutely sure that a person has read all the stickies - esp. Don's, then I could see such a process being somewhat helpful, but in reality, there's no way to ensure that, so such a system is bound to lead some people to where they would never go had they done the same type of research you did and asked some of the same questions you did.

That said, again, do what you want, but understand the pitfalls involved when you have a person that is so new, they don't even know what to ask until they've read a bit. You're not the first person to come up with such an idea either, but perhaps with this info amd more, you can build a better mouse trap than the free and open communciation that this forum provides Good luck.

 

[Red Handed]

thanks for the detailed info

 

[Kent C]

thanks for the detailed info

If you mean my post, you're welcome. If not... well your welcome anyway ;-)

 

[Silence]

Kent C, Your experience overwhelms me It's hard to argue your points as you make so many good ones. The hope of the project was to mainly help field the question, "What e-cig should I buy?". I fully expect newbs to ask to ask questions in the forums and I would highly encourage them to do so even in validating (or discrediting) what choices the app made. I am going to try to get this attached to the post http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/32985-buying-using-electronic-cigarette-primer.html or something similar. I want new users to have all the info about the choices they would be making, then make the selections, then get what would hopefully be a fulfulling experience. but like you so eloquently stated there is no branch that will cover everything. I would limit the app to very specific hardware (almost yes/no type) questions. But this maybe a futile endeavor as you said there is no way to guarentee that any user will read the supplied info in order to understand what it is that i am asking. so I may just use it as a guide to decide what I may want for my next piece of hardware either way it could be fun and challenging to get accomplished.

 

[tdwave]

My experience:
Smoke free since Sept 24th, 9pm.
That is the day I received my kit. 8 hours of charging and at 9pm had my first vape.
roughly two weeks prior i heard of the e-cig. A ad that lead me to stars puffing in the airport, and a price tag of 150.00. The one thing i think everyone should promote is research. over the past 5 -7 years i have learned one thing. THE INTERNET. Within 1 week of doing some homework i learned alot here and wound up ordering my first kit from Arno at awesome vapor. 50 BUCKS.. totally a newb and very happy. Was it the right choice?... I think so.. and i couldn't blame anyone if anything went wrong. of course have moved ahead from there but the point is, everyone is capable of doing what i did and just have to be lead sometimes into learning that they can make a choice and i have done this with many people interested in our world we call vaping heaven.
So my imput is point them in the right direction but let them decide their fate.
Just some of my thoughts.