Need help regarding my 19yr old who is smoking

[stols001]

I think so. He only ever smoked cigs if he ran out of juice, and (initially) because cigarettes are more easily obtainable than e-cigs, in my opinion. Limit sales to minors of cigarettes all you want.... That doesn't mean all parents are likely to lock their cigarettes in vaults and when I was smoking I am *quite sure* that if he stole one, I wouldn't have noticed.... And the same holds true for many kids of smokers. If he stole my vape rigs, I would notice. Which is why I'm *fine* with limiting sales to minors and why *also* a certain percentage of minors are going to do what they want regardless, and have to live with the consequences. Which I am *also* fine with, FDA.

The kid lives with a smoker, he's pretty hardcore though and makes his tenant smoke outside But, I have no doubt that if he felt like he needed nicotine again, he'd go back to an e-cig as he prefers it and did from the moment he started on one....

Anna

 

[Ragnar94]

as someone whos only just came off of tobacco, I can only say how disgusting it is, that horrid burning taste you get when inhailing, and the knowledge that if you keep it up throughout your life you will most likely have black lungs, and constantly be coughing up phlemb on a daily basis, I hate the stuff, I'm very angry at my self for going back to it, I deserve a big slap in the face, what i'd do is just show her all the health risks, pictures of people that have smoked for years, and don't forget to tell her theres a big risk you'll end up with god forebid, the c word.

 

[DeAnna2112]

This whole situation makes me revisit my thinking on age limits for vaping. Some kids start as young as 13 smoking, and most of them have parents who would never give them an alternative. So the kid just keeps sneaking cigs and smoking. I use to think 18 was a fair age limit, but after going through what i have with my 19 yr old i am rethinking that. Maybe the age limit should be on nic purchases, but then again many studies have shown no addiction after six months of use through nic patches or gum. So what is BT really putting in those cigs? God knows we have all experienced over use of nic and it's not pleasant being nic sick...so i don't see how that could be abused past their first experience of nic sickness. Do have to worry about them not educating themselves with things like battery safety and flavoring. I am good with a age limit of 16, but not sure how i feel going younger then that...but i am rethinking the whole process of age limits and how i felt about it before.

 

[Ragnar94]

This whole situation makes me revisit my thinking on age limits for vaping. Some kids start as young as 13 smoking, and most of them have parents who would never give them an alternative. So the kid just keeps sneaking cigs and smoking. I use to think 18 was a fair age limit, but after going through what i have with my 19 yr old i am rethinking that. Maybe the age limit should be on nic purchases, but then again many studies have shown no addiction after six months of use through nic patches or gum. So what is BT really putting in those cigs? God knows we have all experienced over use of nic and it's not pleasant being nic sick...so i don't see how that could be abused past their first experience of nic sickness. Do have to worry about them not educating themselves with things like battery safety and flavoring. I am good with a age limit of 16, but not sure how i feel going younger then that...but i am rethinking the whole process of age limits and how i felt about it before.

I'd let my 16 year old son (if he was 16) vape, i just don't see an issue with it.... when i vaped my lungs felt clear, i felt really good... theres no way anybody can put tobacco and e liquid in the same boat lol

 

[Ragnar94]

How tobacco is not banned i dont know, its a really vile substance that kills, vaping hasnt caused one death, tobacco causes millions, ill stop rabbiting on about tobacco now i bet a few of you are getting fed up with hearing me go on and on, hope ive made a point, cheers.

 

[mattiem]

This whole situation makes me revisit my thinking on age limits for vaping. Some kids start as young as 13 smoking, and most of them have parents who would never give them an alternative. So the kid just keeps sneaking cigs and smoking. I use to think 18 was a fair age limit, but after going through what i have with my 19 yr old i am rethinking that. Maybe the age limit should be on nic purchases, but then again many studies have shown no addiction after six months of use through nic patches or gum. So what is BT really putting in those cigs? God knows we have all experienced over use of nic and it's not pleasant being nic sick...so i don't see how that could be abused past their first experience of nic sickness. Do have to worry about them not educating themselves with things like battery safety and flavoring. I am good with a age limit of 16, but not sure how i feel going younger then that...but i am rethinking the whole process of age limits and how i felt about it before.

It often takes a personal experience for one to open their minds to the pros and cons of things. I am one who has thought all along that age limits for vaping are putting young folks at a disadvantage. So many of them start at a fairly young age and with the age limits in place they are told that they can't switch to this much safer option and parents that buy vaping equipment for their kids are demonized for doing so. I have seen that very thing happening right here on this forum. I am pleased that you have gotten the support that you and your daughter needed. I personally support any parent that will do whatever it takes to get their kids off smoking no matter what the naysayers say.

 

[DeAnna2112]

It often takes a personal experience for one to open their minds to the pros and cons of things. I am one who has thought all along that age limits for vaping are putting young folks at a disadvantage. So many of them start at a fairly young age and with the age limits in place they are told that they can't switch to this much safer option and parents that buy vaping equipment for their kids are demonized for doing so. I have seen that very thing happening right here on this forum. I am pleased that you have gotten the support that you and your daughter needed. I personally support any parent that will do whatever it takes to get their kids off smoking no matter what the naysayers say.

This experience has certainly changed my outlook on things when it comes to age limits. It's a shame that any child, teen or adult has to live with the health problems cigs impose. Like you i just don't see the harm, but i do see harm with cigs not doubt as a 30yr smoker. When we went into the vape shop they immediately asked for my daughers ID and i remember thinking what a shame, what if she was 17? they would not have sold her anything we would have had to hide it and act like i was buying it for me. And like another poster stated, i can't believe cigs have not be outlawed by now, how many more have to die.

 

[DeAnna2112]

Guess what i am saying is if my daugher was 13 or 15 i would have gotten her vaping gear if she had picked up smoking then.

 

[JCinFLA]

Yes i was able to find her a provari 2.5 thanks to a poster in this thread, she is loving it.

Were you able to get 1 of the purple 2.5 Minis from DFWVapor?

 

[stols001]

Well, I think that like many things (like I said, I grew up all over, including many EU countries), parents and not the government should be in charge of their child's health and given the safety record of cigarettes, parents should be able to purchase ANY harm reduction aid for their child, at any appropriate age, which would be different for different families. Perhaps there could be a system set up for other substances like there is now-- the child has a "card" for vaping until 18 but a parent has to be a "caregiver" meaning responsible for that child's behaviors with whatever vape or nic replacement product? I mean, that way the child has accountablity and the parent has the legal responsibility. I.E. No, you don't get to bring your vape to school any more than you would bring another controlled substance, but if *I* as a parent see a harm reduction approach to assist my child medically, I should have that right. I have *always* believed in that principle.

Without going into grave detail, living in France most families modeled (and included) the child via occasional CHILD SIZED offering of a large export for that country.... I am saying that modeling RESPONSIBLE use habits really should be done by families, without freaking....fear of a visit from CPS or some kid dying at some parent's house. Also, EDUCATION is part of the card/caregiver system at work (at least in my state) so kids/teens are made aware this is a MEDICAL product, no you don't get to boast about it to your friends, etc., etc. etc.

My parents reacted very badly when I went to Britain at age 17 and started smoking.... And yet, I have memories, as a kid, of my dad taking me to work on weekends (this was back when you had to put out your cig for the ELEVATOR! My mom was nagging my dad to quit, and every weekend he'd go to the NIH lab, grab the longest .... out of the ashtray and say, "Don't ever do this, and don't ever tell your mother." ) LOL, Dad, I can promise you that I have never hidden my smoking, nor did I tell my mother about it, and have never grabbed a .... out of ANYWHERE, but I'm sorry, I did *actually* start smoking. Had they been more rational about smoking generally, I may have been more receptive to trying to quit, so parents who can react in a rational manner are actually doing their kids a favor instead of the "Oh GOD my life, YOU have ruined my LIFE, etc." that parents often offer with no real options. That's not really helpful to a teenage whose brain isn't even hooked up right. Parents HAVE to be the rational ones.

I used to say if they ever outlawed tobacco, I'd join the cigarette mafia. I really meant it Now, I have a whole other demonized product to worry about, sigh. Well, I'm not going to say I will join an e-cig mafia, not in writing, I don't think..... But, I AM starting to think about the future, and fortunately, I have at least a bit of time to try and catch up and figure out what I shall do..... Deep Sigh. You guys are awesome though, I'll probably figure it out.

Anna

 

[Tonee N]

The law they are trying to pass in Colorado will raise the tobacco and eliguid age to 21. But they are aware that this won't stop the "straw" purchases. Passing laws isn't education.[emoji16]

Sent from tomorrow

 

[DeAnna2112]

Well, I think that like many things (like I said, I grew up all over, including many EU countries), parents and not the government should be in charge of their child's health and given the safety record of cigarettes, parents should be able to purchase ANY harm reduction aid for their child, at any appropriate age, which would be different for different families. Perhaps there could be a system set up for other substances like there is now-- the child has a "card" for vaping until 18 but a parent has to be a "caregiver" meaning responsible for that child's behaviors with whatever vape or nic replacement product? I mean, that way the child has accountablity and the parent has the legal responsibility. I.E. No, you don't get to bring your vape to school any more than you would bring another controlled substance, but if *I* as a parent see a harm reduction approach to assist my child medically, I should have that right. I have *always* believed in that principle.

Without going into grave detail, living in France most families modeled (and included) the child via occasional CHILD SIZED offering of a large export for that country.... I am saying that modeling RESPONSIBLE use habits really should be done by families, without freaking....fear of a visit from CPS or some kid dying at some parent's house. Also, EDUCATION is part of the card/caregiver system at work (at least in my state) so kids/teens are made aware this is a MEDICAL product, no you don't get to boast about it to your friends, etc., etc. etc.

My parents reacted very badly when I went to Britain at age 17 and started smoking.... And yet, I have memories, as a kid, of my dad taking me to work on weekends (this was back when you had to put out your cig for the ELEVATOR! My mom was nagging my dad to quit, and every weekend he'd go to the NIH lab, grab the longest .... out of the ashtray and say, "Don't ever do this, and don't ever tell your mother." ) LOL, Dad, I can promise you that I have never hidden my smoking, nor did I tell my mother about it, and have never grabbed a .... out of ANYWHERE, but I'm sorry, I did *actually* start smoking. Had they been more rational about smoking generally, I may have been more receptive to trying to quit, so parents who can react in a rational manner are actually doing their kids a favor instead of the "Oh GOD my life, YOU have ruined my LIFE, etc." that parents often offer with no real options. That's not really helpful to a teenage whose brain isn't even hooked up right. Parents HAVE to be the rational ones.

I used to say if they ever outlawed tobacco, I'd join the cigarette mafia. I really meant it Now, I have a whole other demonized product to worry about, sigh. Well, I'm not going to say I will join an e-cig mafia, not in writing, I don't think..... But, I AM starting to think about the future, and fortunately, I have at least a bit of time to try and catch up and figure out what I shall do..... Deep Sigh. You guys are awesome though, I'll probably figure it out.

Anna

Here!! Here!! i like the way you think. As a parent i think it should be up to me on what my kids do. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and i agree.

 

[DeAnna2112]

Well two of my daughters smoking friends came over and guess what they are doing with their next paycheck!! buying mods! they loved the flavor she was using and the clouds! they were like wow! so instead of them being a bad influence on my daughter, my daughter has become a positive influence for them. Now what if i had taken the judgement road with my daughter? she would still be smoking as would two of her friends! I offered up as much info as i could and what gear, based on this threads feedback, on what to consider...smiles i have wrote down a list. I even offered if they wanted to go to a vape shop i would go with them and they just looked at me funny and shocked and said thank you i don't know where to start. My daughter said oh yeah she knows all about vaping she will make sure you get good gear. Shhhh i know nothing past my provari, but you guys have given me alot to work with to help them.

 

[WillieB69]

Well two of my daughters smoking friends came over and guess what they are doing with their next paycheck!! buying mods! they loved the flavor she was using and the clouds! they were like wow! so instead of them being a bad influence on my daughter, my daughter has become a positive influence for them.

Love everything about this post.

High five, Mom!

 

[stols001]

Yay, DeAnna, that is so exactly what should happen! I'm excited for you, your daughter, and your friends.

The judgment road goes nowhere fast. I had super judgy parents and it made things very... difficult. I really had to figure stuff out for myself, and it slowed things down. Every time my mother would get "the look" when I was smoking, I just wanted to smoke more, LOL. She did give up after awhile, but she certainly didn't research any harm reduction options for me, haha. To be fair, there were a lot less options then. But, I can pretty much guarantee that she didn't sit down and do any internet searches, regardless. She was too invested in "the look"....

I'm hoping, crossing my fingers, for your daughter and all her lovely friends who won't have to be chained to smoking, for the rest of their lives, end up covered in wrinkles and social pariahs. There is so totally a reason smokers marry each other when they meet up in the tiny, self-enclosed (sometimes, they had that at my one workplace years ago, it was like a tiny, plexiglas covered bus-stop with CLOUDS of smoke billowing out the tiny hole in the top . That's so great! I really hope it all works out well and you get major props as an aswesome mom!

Anna

 

[IgnorantCig]

I don't have a daughter, but if I had a 19 year old daughter who I caught smoking one day, then I would sit them down and just give them some facts and my thoughts.

I would simply tell them that they are doing damage to their health, it might very well lead to death eventually, they will become more and more unattractive. They will age much more quickly, and they will look decades beyond their age before they even know it. They will walk around with a constant disgusting odor, their breath will stink, and that practically each cig that they smoke will contribute to them looking uglier.

When I smoked, there weren't any other good options available. I still see many people smoking today, and I just shake my head, because they must be dumber than previous smokers, who didn't have any other wonderful options like vaping back then.

 

[Skold]

I started smoking at 11 years old & I just wish decent vape gear was out when I first started vaping cos cigalikes an ego type pens don't help me at all.
I'm glad you have got her onto vaping
My mom had a more relaxed approach an was buying me tobacco at 15/16.
If she had told me not too smoke I would of rebelled so I'm just glad your daughter listens to you! I was really hard on my parents & put them through the worth of hurt. I used to think vaping was so stupid an in no way thought it could replace a cigarette but years on I get chest pains from cigarettes, short of breath, stomach pains so if I have kids one day no way will I tolerate them smoking...

 

[DeAnna2112]

well now that i know my daughter loves her vaping experience it's time to teach her how to make her own mixture of vg,pg and nic. I seriously do not want to be making batches for us both. taught her how to just add a few drops of her favorite flavor and how it will go a long ways by doing it that way, plus her coils will last forever compared to straight up flavoring. Now i gotta educate her friends as well on where to get it and how to make it. Going to the vape shop this weekend with her friends to help them pick out a mod..got four going as a group..just hope they know they are going to have to buy batteries and a charger as well. Most mods they sell there require batteries from what i have seen when i was there with my daughter. I prefer those myself. I bought a mod from there that had a built in battery and gave it to my son in law and it died within three months of using it. So my weekend are to be fun watching them all get new toys LOL!! Seriously it will be magical watching them transform from smoking to vapers before my very eyes as i know they will all open their boxes and go what now? I get to be apart of that..greenhorns!! It will be well worth spending my time off to help out these teens..somebody has to help them. I am giving them enough vg, pg and nic to take care of them for two weeks and the flavoring they will buy from the shop, but after that they know where to buy it and how to make it and on their own with flavoring once i educate them about diketones. All of them are 18 or older so no problem with them purchasing some gear. I am soo excited for them because they don't even know what they are being saved from.

 

[RainSong]

well now that i know my daughter loves her vaping experience it's time to teach her how to make her own mixture of vg,pg and nic. I seriously do not want to be making batches for us both. taught her how to just add a few drops of her favorite flavor and how it will go a long ways by doing it that way, plus her coils will last forever compared to straight up flavoring. Now i gotta educate her friends as well on where to get it and how to make it. Going to the vape shop this weekend with her friends to help them pick out a mod..got four going as a group..just hope they know they are going to have to buy batteries and a charger as well. Most mods they sell there require batteries from what i have seen when i was there with my daughter. I prefer those myself. I bought a mod from there that had a built in battery and gave it to my son in law and it died within three months of using it. So my weekend are to be fun watching them all get new toys LOL!! Seriously it will be magical watching them transform from smoking to vapers before my very eyes as i know they will all open their boxes and go what now? I get to be apart of that..greenhorns!! It will be well worth spending my time off to help out these teens..somebody has to help them. I am giving them enough vg, pg and nic to take care of them for two weeks and the flavoring they will buy from the shop, but after that they know where to buy it and how to make it and on their own with flavoring once i educate them about diketones. All of them are 18 or older so no problem with them purchasing some gear. I am soo excited for them because they don't even know what they are being saved from.

I wish this technology had been around when I was a teen smoker, I would have switched absolutely. Best wishes with all your padawans!

 

[DeAnna2112]

I just hear Rush playing in my head "limelight"...see some get it and some have funny confused looks on their faces LOL
Big rush fan!!