need info on greensmoke

[dragginfly]

Hi Doc,

Thanks for hanging with me on this.

Not meaning to hijack this thread... which was an inquiry
about the GreenSmoke supplies...

We've got a couple subtopics going here.

1. is there anything @ all that is compatible with greensmoke

Only a few adequate responses pointing toward e9 equipment
or working solutions for the e9 (GreenSmoke/Smoke51).

From what I have found so far, there are no adapters. I agree
fully with DocWyatt that adapting the e9 is not practical.

GreenSmoke users do not have to pay GreenSmoke prices.


2. Alternative setups, in particular the eGo type models.

Nothing wrong with suggesting them as an alternative
solution, but it does not answer the question.

the Riva 510 because it is $30 freaking dollars...

I agree that sounds like a great price. It certainly makes sense
when compared to adapting an e9 or buying a new e9 battery.

Are you referring to the 'lite' bundle here?

Electronic Cigarette - Starter Kits - Riva 510

I thought $30 was a great price just for the battery and cart/atty or cartos...

But this bundle is for EVERYTHING! charger... 2 attys... TWO batteries and more!

It is probably the most value I've seen in any package.

This Riva 510 package is still not a solution to the GreenSmoke. It is an alternative to GreenSmoke.

I'm probably going to wear a lot of people out talking about
the e9 (GreenSmoke/Smoke51) products. Yes, they are
priced higher than the comparable KR8, and yes there are
other products that are 'better' depending on the preference
of the end user.

The question remains... why does the D2 get so many negative
reviews while the D1 is a top-rated product?

When someone can answer that question, the solution may
become much more obvious.

For instance...

I'm using mine now.

Just topped of a new carto because the vape was getting light.

Turns out it was the battery.

Put the shorty back on the charger and grabbed the long batt.

Now the flavor has changed... completely.

I'm using an RY4 pre-mix (PG?) cut with 20% VG.

With a 'hot' battery the vape is hot at the flav is off.

When the battery 'cools down' presumably to a lower
voltage as the charge weakens, the taste is spot on.

Do users of the KR808-D1 experience that same issue,
or is this a quality control problem, or do any of the
batteries have any sort of voltage regulation?

If other batteries are not regulated, why bother switching?

Any answers are appreciated.

Well... there you have it... I hijacked Rege's thread. Sorry.

 

[stubear62]

Moving to the Requests for Opinions/Reviews Forum.

 

[WomanOfHeart]

I'm going to step out on a limb here. The KR808D-1 battery lasts a little longer than the D-2 type batteries and, from what I understand, are better quality. I know that during my GreenSmoke usage there was a remarkable decline in battery life within a few days. It got to a point where the batteries were only lasting about 45 minutes and it was taking 3-4 hours to charge them. That's really annoying when you're used to smoking a pack to a pack and a half per day, and the biggest reason that I continued to smoke while using them.

I honestly have not tried the KR808 model, so I won't proffer an opinion on it. The only small model I have is a 510 PT, which I love. It's already got a lot of mileage on it because it's what I use when I'm in front of the computer, which is a LOT!

 

[dragginfly]

Thanks WomanOfHeart!

Exactly the kind of feeback I'm looking for.

The KR808D-1 battery lasts a little longer than the D-2 type batteries and, from what I understand, are better quality.

We all have to make certain assumptions. The designation of these two
batteries lead me to believe (or presume) that their operating specs
would be very similar, if not identical.

My experience with the Smoke 51 batteries is almost EXACTLY like yours.

Shorter charge between use, longer time to charge.

Add in the apparent voltage variations and it is frustrating. Makes it
difficult if not impossible to focus on cartos and juice when the
voltage is all over the place.

Perhaps the GS/S51 brands are intentionally designed as a rich man's
(or woman's) e-cig?

Perhaps if the ONLY thing you do with it is replace the high priced
cartos when they go dry... the battery is adequate.

Perhaps truly am wasting my time and should start stocking up
on D1 stuff now.

Interesting that there are not any strong supporters of the
e9 defending it or offering any real solutions in this forum.

The silence is deafening. Perhaps I should listen to it.

 

[deback]

With a 'hot' battery the vape is hot at the flav is off.

When the battery 'cools down' presumably to a lower
voltage as the charge weakens, the taste is spot on.

When vaping with a battery that's hot (as in, you're hitting it too often), the flavor will change and become less. The atomizer inside the cartomizer can't work that often to produce flavor.

When you vape less often, the atomizer has had a chance to cool down, will work normally, and will produce the right amount of flavor.

When you vape too often, you're getting ahead of the capacity of the atomizer to heat the liquid properly and produce the right amount of flavor and throat hits.

I've discovered this just from vaping for seven weeks. That's why I usually will have two PVs going at once, so I can alternate them when I'm vaping constantly.

 

[deback]

Shorter charge between use, longer time to charge.

This is a common occurrence with the cheaper, overly expensive starter kits sold by the proprietary companies.

 

[dragginfly]

Hi deback,

Thanks for the reply.

When vaping with a battery that's hot (as in, you're hitting it too often)...

That's not it.

When I say 'hot' battery, I'm not talking about the temperature of the battery. I'm referring
to the voltage.

With a fully charged e9 battery from Smoke 51, it does no matter how long I let it sit. When
I pick it up and draw (even as lightly as possible) the flavor is off. The temperature in the
carto rises much more than with a battery that has been used a while.

I'm sure this is a voltage regulation issue.

Letting the carto cool down and wick juice to the atomizer certainly helps. But the instant
I use it again... the result is the same. Warmer vapor with a different taste.

I am going to try cutting it with more VG, but that will change my flavor and nic ratios
since I'm using pre-mixed juice.

 

[dragginfly]

This is a common occurrence with the cheaper, overly expensive starter kits sold by the proprietary companies.

Why not say it is a common occurrence with the KR808-D2 or e9 rather than interject
that they are 'cheap' and overly priced?

Is your comment about their battery life based on hearsay or personal experience?

 

[deback]

Why not say it is a common occurrence with the KR808-D2 or e9 rather than interject
that they are 'cheap' and overly priced?

Is your comment about their battery life based on hearsay or personal experience?

I interjected those descriptions, because I'm an honest type of person and usually prefer to speak the truth and not avoid it. I know I tend to come across as blunt and serious, but honesty has to be part of that personality. If it wasn't, why bother spending so many hours on this web site? I mean, I'm not gonna come on here and lie to people. That would be a waste of my time.

My comment was based on personal experience with some of the cheap, highly overpriced starter kits from proprietary companies (Smokeless Delite and Volcano, but I know that blu, Smoke51, GreenSmoke, and several others are also those type of companies). I've been reading these forums daily for the last two months, so that experience has helped to learn how to do lots of things -- and which products to avoid (as reported by many, many users) and which products are the higher-quality products. It's nothing personal toward you or anyone else, so you shouldn't take it that way.

 

[dragginfly]

Thanks deback,

That certainly answered my question.

I also appreciate you sharing your experience. Looks like you
have been at this about 3 times longer than I have.

It's nothing personal toward you or anyone else, so you shouldn't take it that way.

I really did not take it personally. I was making a point.

I'm trying to focus on the technical aspect of the unit and its quality.

I know exactly how much I paid for it.

I know exactly how it is performing for me.

I suggest that your viewpoint of the e9 (GreenSmoke or Smoke 51) is
still based on hearsay... unless Smokeless Delite and Volcano are also
other brand names the e9 is sold under.

Thanks again for honestly sharing your opinion.

 

[deback]

Thanks deback,

That certainly answered my question.

I also appreciate you sharing your experience. Looks like you
have been at this about 3 times longer than I have.



I really did not take it personally. I was making a point.

I'm trying to focus on the technical aspect of the unit and its quality.

I know exactly how much I paid for it.

I know exactly how it is performing for me.

I suggest that your viewpoint of the e9 (GreenSmoke or Smoke 51) is
still based on hearsay... unless Smokeless Delite and Volcano are also
other brand names the e9 is sold under.

Thanks again for honestly sharing your opinion.

Yes, hearsay in the case of GreenSmoke and Smoke 51, but lots and lots of hearsay. I don't form opinions from just one or two reviews. I'm also familiar with their web sites (back when I ordered my first starter kit on 09/04), and their kits look very similar to the two kits I originally bought (returned one of them and took a loss on the other). Then I found out (by reading lots of threads here) about the eGo batteries, bought two in late September, six more since then, and have been happy with them ever since -- (plus bought two more eGo 900mAh batterues for a friend of mine, who quit smoking after her first vape on one of my eGos).

I was charging batteries for one starter kit (Smokeless Delite) every two hours, a week later, every hour, a week later, every 45 minutes. For the second starter kit (Volcano), I was charging batteries every 45 minutes, then less than a week later, every 30 minutes, then a week later, every 10 minutes.

With any of the eGo batteries I've bought (eight so far), they last anywhere from 9 hours to 16 hours before needing to be recharged, and that's with constant vaping that whole time.

Smoke 51 and Green Smoke are very similar to the two companies I've mentioned. They're all crap, as far as I'm concerned. And I mean that with complete honesty and sincerity. Please know that whenever I post something here, it's only to help those I'm responding to. I'm too tired now (have been on here for 11 hours straight today), so I don't remember what your original question was, but if you bought a starter kit from one of these companies, you might be able to return it all and receive a refund. Many dissatisfied users have done that after discovering the starter kits they bought are crap and later found out what they shoulda bought.

Best wishes to you!

 

[dragginfly]

Smoke 51 and Green Smoke are very similar to the two companies I've mentioned. They're all crap, as far as I'm concerned.

You may very well be right.

Thanks again!

 

[rege]

LOL, I have been meaning to change the avatar. Was really hoping the Rangers would pull it out. Hmmm, maybe the Houston Texans.

Rege, your friend probably has way too much invested in the Greensmoke to just give it up so soon. I really don't blame him for trying to make it work. But, eventually......he will have to. I am concerned that he may go back to analogs thinking that all e-cigs are junk.

Perhaps you should suggest that he keep the GS for a back up and see if you can get him to purchase an Ego, or Riva, or a standard 510. Or whatever you have had good results with.

thats the whole problem i think he paid way too much to keep them if he returned them you can buy a lot of ecigs for 225$ for what he paid for greensmoke he could get a dozen 510's. other than the price im happy for him if he likes it but wow i bought a ton of stuff for 200 he spent 25 more than me and has so little to show for it

 

[dragginfly]

Hi rege,

Glad you made it back. We had some fun on this topic while you were away. lol

other than the price im happy for him if he likes it

Question for you...

Does he like it?

From your original post:

a friend of mine bought green smoke i cant find any info on it any info would be appreciated. is there a greensmoke to 510 adapter? is there anything @ all that is compatible with greensmoke

What prompted you to ask?

At this point I'm guessing you just wanted to find information
on adapters so he could try your 510 setup for comparison.

I'm not using GreenSmoke, but Smoke51... a very similar product.

The Smoke51 Cartos are awful.

I have found replacements that work better.

If your friend generally likes the GreenSmoke but would like to
make his experience better (and save money), send him on over
here and I'll share what I'm discovering about cartos and juice
for his model.

 

[rege]

he says he likes them but he is still smoking analogs because of his short battery life. thats why i was trying to get him to switch. when i had a blu i continued to smoke because of the incredibly short battery life but when i switched to 510mega i quit altogether because 1 battery lasted me almost a full day
the other reason is greensmoke raped him 225$ is a lot of cash i got like a years worth of stuff for 200$ 2 510megas 1 roughstack with 2 battery a ton of juice and a bunch of attys and more driptips and other stuff and still paid less than him

 

[rege]

he says he likes them but he is still smoking analogs because of his short battery life. thats why i was trying to get him to switch. when i had a blu i continued to smoke because of the incredibly short battery life but when i switched to 510mega i quit altogether because 1 battery lasted me almost a full day
the other reason is greensmoke raped him 225$ is a lot of cash i got like a years worth of stuff for 200$ 2 510megas 1 roughstack with 2 battery a ton of juice and a bunch of attys and more driptips and other stuff and still paid less than him

sorry about the double post not sure what happened there

 

[deback]

Tell him to return the GS products and get a Joye (short for Joyetech) eGo kit (either 650mAh, 750mAh, 900mAh, 1000mAh, or 1300mAh -- the higher the mAh, the longer the length of the battery and the longer the battery will last before needing to be recharged) -- or a Riva or Tornado kit (which are generic eGos).

The battery life will be your first concern (at some point in your vaping experience, if not already). After a few days of charging batteries all day long, you won't care what the PV (personal vaporizer) looks like.

The eGo battery is the most popular and has the longest life of any of the standard e-cigs available currently (before needing to be recharged).

Check out the following sites for prices and availability. Look for a starter kit that's priced around $30 to $65. Ask here if you have more questions. Read more threads in the Newbie Section here. A lot of people have given advice to a lot of newbies with the same questions.

liberty-flights.com (California)
goodprophets.com (Pennsylvania)
madvapes.com (North Carolina)
litecigusa.net (Pennsylvania)
cignot.com (Illinois)

(Sorry, most of the above post is a copy and paste of a msg I post now and then, when appropriate.)

 

[dragginfly]

As a follow up...

I'm loving this Smoke 51 again now.

Today I continued to have some problems with carto
temps on a fully charged battery.

In addition to this problem...

With a 'hot' battery the vape is hot at the flav is off.

When the battery 'cools down' presumably to a lower
voltage as the charge weakens, the taste is spot on.

[Note: "hot" battery meant fully charged to 4.2 v]

In addition to the above noted yesterday, the cartos
were also not dragging well today. They seemed clogged.

On inspection the center holes were clear and there
were no signs of burning of material.

Switched cartos to one of the new blanks I'm testing
and had the same problem. Restricted drag.

Checked the batteries and both of them had dirty
air holes (two each).

After cleaning the holes, the drag returned to
normal for a much lighter pull and cooler vape.

The temp dropped, flavor returned, and these
things are vaping like a champ!!

The Smoke 51 pre-filled cartos still don't hold
up well and they still tend to burn even when
they are kept wet with juice.

But the new cartos I'm testing are built better
and still show no signs of any burning... even
when my battery holes were restricted and
the temps were rising.

With proper battery maintenance and good cartos,
it looks like I might get my money's worth from
these Smoke 51's yet! :~)

 

[deback]

dragginfly,

The majority of new vapers will buy one of the cheap-quality, highly-overpriced starter kits when they start out with vaping.

Usually, within a month, they will have done more research and will find out what they should have bought. After they fiddle around with having to recharge batteries all day long (usually every 1/2 hour to 2 hours, depending on the kit they bought) for a week or two, they will end up finding ECF, and then will find out which battery they should have bought, a battery that will last all day long before needing to be recharged, a battery that doesn't get clogged holes, and a battery that is much cheaper than what they paid for their starter kit (but much higher quality).

I'm willing to bet that before you get your money's worth from the Smoke 51 starter kit, you'll be using a different battery and different parts to go with it. It happens to most of us, so don't feel bad. It's part of this long learning process that we're completely unaware of when we first learned about e-cigarettes. Furthermore, many new users will end up returning their original starter kits, obtain refunds, and be happy campers when they're using their eGo batteries two or three weeks later. A few new users go directly from starter kits to mods or wet boxes, but the majority end up with eGos.

 

[dragginfly]

The majority of new vapers will buy one of the cheap-quality, highly-overpriced starter kits when they start out with vaping.

You may very well be right.

Perhaps the majority are impulse buyers and purchase their first
e-cigarette after seeing first-hand a demonstration at the mall.

That would put me in a certain majority.

I still take exception with lumping all into a "cheap-quality, highly-
overpriced" group when that is simply not the case.

It's relative.

My Smoke 51 is a very good quality that I am happy with overall.

I paid the price based on perceived value. It's still less expensive
than analogs, and I don't regret the purchase.

Yes, I could have purchased a D1, a 510 or an eGo for much less. But
they were not being marketed, demonstrated, and sold at the mall.

I also could have purchased some of the other disposable types from
7-11 or one of the other clearly inferior models from my local smoke
shop at a lower cost. But going that route I may have thought all
e-cigs were crap.

As a KR808-D style product, the Smoke 51 is decent.... despite
all the reviews and things you have heard about it from how
ever many thousands of people.

Usually, within a month, they will have done more research and will find out what they should have bought. After they fiddle around with having to recharge batteries all day long (usually every 1/2 hour to 2 hours, depending on the kit they bought) for a week or two, they will end up finding ECF, and then will find out which battery they should have bought, a battery that will last all day long before needing to be recharged, a battery that doesn't get clogged holes, and a battery that is much cheaper than what they paid for their starter kit (but much higher quality).

You may very well be right.

Research can be a good thing. (Lot's of bad information being SOLD via
search engines. So research must come with due diligence.)

Finding ECF is a good thing.

I doubt that those you just described are the majority. It seems to
me that ECF is still a well kept secret. It took two weeks of googling
before I finally landed on a discussion thread in this forum, and
that was for a very specific search term. (Wish I knew now
exactly what it was, but probably something that included
KR808-D2 in the search.)

I'm willing to bet that before you get your money's worth from the Smoke 51 starter kit, you'll be using a different battery and different parts to go with it.

You are DEFINITELY right.

I've already purchased a KR808 PT and HR cartos. It's awesome!

I did this in order to compare the quality of a proven D1 carto to
see what I was missing.

It's not a direct comparison because the PT is at 5v. But I was
not ready to buy a D1 batt and chargers. Plus I needed a PT
anyway and thought the D1 style made the obvious better
choice than a D2 at this point.

Now some may not like HR cartos. Some may like a hot vape.

But most would probably say the 5v PT + HR Mega cartos
is a solid performer, right?

Guess what?

When my D2 batteries are optimized and used with one of
the new blank cartos I'm testing properly filled with just the
right balance of PV/VG/flavor....

My Smoke 51 compares to the 5v + HR cartos in vapor, flavor and TH!

The only noticeable difference is vape temp and air flow.

I'm sure my buying days are not over. But this Smoke 51 is NOT crap
when it is operated and maintained properly.

It happens to most of us, so don't feel bad.

I don't feel bad at all.

I don't care about the money I already spent.

I feel GREAT about solving the problems I was having. It's what I
do... solve problems. Makes me feel good.

It's part of this long learning process that we're completely unaware of when we first learned about e-cigarettes.

Yes. The learning process is long. There are so many considerations
and things to learn to find your 'sweet spot' that many many not
put up with it all.

The only way to become truly aware of some things is to try for yourself.

There may be some things you simply are not aware of with the Smoke 51,
GreenSmoke and other e9 Batteries.

Don't take that as a put-down. Perhaps you don't care and don't want to
be aware of anything at all about the Smoke 51 or e9's.

But you NEED to be aware if you are going to offer advice on those
products... especially without having used them yourself. I suggest
again that you reconsider calling them all 'cheap and over-priced'.

At least recognize they are not the very bottom of the available options.

A few new users go directly from starter kits to mods or wet boxes, but the majority end up with eGos.

Majority of new users switch to eGo?

Wow. That's a bold statement and comes as a surprise.

On that point, you may be flat wrong. Just sayin...