Need Recommendation For Small MTL Device
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Spinner II & III...Variable Voltage Stick Batteries...They work if needed...
EDIT: PS...The Zelos Kit is a good option and the N2 is a perfectly functional tank...I'm just fussy and wish it was bigger & easier to fill !!!
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Actually, these spinners appear to be what I was originally looking for - a specialty device I could use for N.E.T liquids. I was thinking some pen-like device. I will investigate.
I wouldn't think so...Many other "Stick" type devices would be superior but I'm hesitant to recommend one...I've only used those and a couple of other smaller eGo 650's...
Go ahead, live on the wild side! Make a recommend, if you believe you can think of something better.
Not Really...Others would know better that I would...My scope is limited...I'd just stick with the major names...
Since an interest in the iStick and Zelos has been expressed, I'll toss out the Eleaf iStick TC60W for consideration. You already have a tank that will work great on it (T22), so here's a link to just the box mod for $15.99. That's 71% off and hella cheaper than you will find anywhere else. Cheaper than lesser iStick mods too. I haven't ever ordered from efun but they are a forum supplier ... Eleaf iStick 60W TC Box Mod Battery - $15.99
The iStick TC60W was the first kit I bought in Jan2016 when I started vaping and since have purchased many much more expensive mods. Almost 2 years later, I STILL enjoy it MUCH more than I'm prepared to admit considering the thousands of dollars I've spent since. In fact, this setup with a rebuildable Doggystyle RTA is virtually all I've vaped on ALL day TODAY ... and vape mail delivered a Dober Billet Box just today too !!! I love how the TC60W just fits my hand and the 510 is centered on the iStick. The hand check is almost like an oversize tube mod. It just fits. I have an all black TC60W too, but prefer this silver one. The finish on the silver part is much more durable than the paint on the all black one.
EDIT: OH, and the iStick TC60W takes an 18650 battery. The battery cover is magnetic and easily removed or you can USB charge the mod.
For size comparison ...
The iStick TC60W was the first kit I bought in Jan2016 when I started vaping and since have purchased many much more expensive mods. Almost 2 years later, I STILL enjoy it MUCH more than I'm prepared to admit considering the thousands of dollars I've spent since. In fact, this setup with a rebuildable Doggystyle RTA is virtually all I've vaped on ALL day TODAY ... and vape mail delivered a Dober Billet Box just today too !!! I love how the TC60W just fits my hand and the 510 is centered on the iStick. The hand check is almost like an oversize tube mod. It just fits. I have an all black TC60W too, but prefer this silver one. The finish on the silver part is much more durable than the paint on the all black one.
EDIT: OH, and the iStick TC60W takes an 18650 battery. The battery cover is magnetic and easily removed or you can USB charge the mod.
For size comparison ...
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If you looking to go the NET way, the only choices really is RTA. Been there...bite the bullet you won't be sorry 
I believe its full name is a vision spinner? I believe it's a type of inexpensive mod setup, I don't own one so I don't know much about it, but I think I have the name right and that it's a small MTL setup that some folks like.
Anna
Anna
I have no idea what an RTA is. I googled it and read an explanation and was none the wiser afterwards.
tgs3, the reason I wouldn't buy a spinner for NETs is that's a tiny tank, and your coils will gunk QUICKLY. NETs are really known coil gunkers. You are either going to need a higher power device with coils designed to run high volume, high VG setups like a sub0hm setup, and even then coil life is going to be iffy.
An RTA is a Rebuildable Tank Atomizer. There are tons of them, some designed for MTL or DL. It's a tank in which you build your own coils and wicking. It's much less expensive to recoil once gunked, you simply remove your (cotton or rayon, or whatever type of wick you choose) dry burn the coils that you wind and install (you can get precoiled coils, if you so desire, though those typically can be lower resistance coils, I haven't run across too many higher resistance coils, but I build my own so I haven't really looked, they may be available). Then, you insert your wicking, and you are (hopefully) good to go. They're less expensive than prefab coils, as you won't be constantly replacing them.
Some good MTL RTAs on the market now include: the doggystyle (a clone from FT is totally acceptable) any of the kayfun clones (I wouldn't buy an original until you figure out which one you like, and decide if you are really into RTAs or not) the Vandy Vape Berserker is getting good reviews and is inexpensive, the Siren V2 (not sure if clones are available yet) and I am partial to the Hussar Skx clone (again available on FT, you'd want the single coil build deck and the one that comes with an airflow reducer, but it's an EASY build to start if you get the two post deck) but there are TONS of options.
Might want to check out: RTA
And: Coil Builds
These should get you started learning more about RTAs and building your own coils.
I will say I've gotten to the point where some of my builds are successful. It's a learning curve, though to be fair, I have a fine motor tremor and that slows me down. But, I'm getting there, and it can be a great vape, and a great option for known coil gunking factors. Startup costs can be as little as some wick, wire, and a tank, though I found the coilbuilder's V2 kit very helpful and use everything in it (about $30 on amazon) and then the cost of the tank (the kit does come with wire and cotton, but it's not the greatest quality, but it's fine for starting with. It's kanthal wire so you can't use Temp control mode with that wire but to start, it's not super necessary and I find Kanthal the easiest wire to coil with though I use SS myself, nowadays....
Best of luck, hope this helps!
Anna
An RTA is a Rebuildable Tank Atomizer. There are tons of them, some designed for MTL or DL. It's a tank in which you build your own coils and wicking. It's much less expensive to recoil once gunked, you simply remove your (cotton or rayon, or whatever type of wick you choose) dry burn the coils that you wind and install (you can get precoiled coils, if you so desire, though those typically can be lower resistance coils, I haven't run across too many higher resistance coils, but I build my own so I haven't really looked, they may be available). Then, you insert your wicking, and you are (hopefully) good to go. They're less expensive than prefab coils, as you won't be constantly replacing them.
Some good MTL RTAs on the market now include: the doggystyle (a clone from FT is totally acceptable) any of the kayfun clones (I wouldn't buy an original until you figure out which one you like, and decide if you are really into RTAs or not) the Vandy Vape Berserker is getting good reviews and is inexpensive, the Siren V2 (not sure if clones are available yet) and I am partial to the Hussar Skx clone (again available on FT, you'd want the single coil build deck and the one that comes with an airflow reducer, but it's an EASY build to start if you get the two post deck) but there are TONS of options.
Might want to check out: RTA
And: Coil Builds
These should get you started learning more about RTAs and building your own coils.
I will say I've gotten to the point where some of my builds are successful. It's a learning curve, though to be fair, I have a fine motor tremor and that slows me down. But, I'm getting there, and it can be a great vape, and a great option for known coil gunking factors. Startup costs can be as little as some wick, wire, and a tank, though I found the coilbuilder's V2 kit very helpful and use everything in it (about $30 on amazon) and then the cost of the tank (the kit does come with wire and cotton, but it's not the greatest quality, but it's fine for starting with. It's kanthal wire so you can't use Temp control mode with that wire but to start, it's not super necessary and I find Kanthal the easiest wire to coil with though I use SS myself, nowadays....
Best of luck, hope this helps!
Anna
Thanks for the info - but sounds too complicated for me at the moment. Is it possible to cut NET liquids a bit to reduce the gunk factor? I have also read that some NET juices are cleaner and therefore less gunky. True?
It really is not. I was in the same situation not to long ago. Almost gave up vaping because i felt so overwhelmed. Didn't get what I wanted from my cartomizer and smaller batteries. Flavour was really muted and boring. I googled and utubed and got myself some RTAs. My whole vaping world changed. Now I have a box full of stuff I collected that i'll never use again.
The advice Anna gave you above is the way to go. Those are the best MTL RTAs currently on the market.
Plz believe me, its actually very simple to get going the RTA way....you'll be very proud of yourself and you'll definitely never look back again.
Maybe it's not necessary to do right away? I think there is an NET thread that you could probably ask that question in the e-juice forum, but they are pretty gunky. Maybe try the NET, see how it performs, then decide? I know there are more and less gunky WTA juices (the winner being Aroma in my book) so it's possible, but you WILL sacrifice some coil life, the question will be how much...
I very much enjoy RTAs now and I really really struggled at first, but it's a skill I am proud to have earned though I'm still a beginner....
Best of luck,
Anna
I very much enjoy RTAs now and I really really struggled at first, but it's a skill I am proud to have earned though I'm still a beginner....
Best of luck,
Anna
If you decide to go RTA this is the setup I would suggest to you..
I got this from FastTech, but you can shop around...
I got this from FastTech, but you can shop around...
It sounded complicated to me too until I did it. It's a confidence thing. It's actually really easy. If the NET juices are really thick and gunky then that Vaporesso Aurora I suggested may not work so well. The ceramic coils do better on thinner juices. And, if they really are thick and gunky, making your own coils is the way to go. BUT there is a an intermediate step that you can take advantage of if you want. You may even just want to stick there for a while actually. You can get 'tanks' that take the wires but buy the wires premade at various resistance levels. They aren't even all that expensive really. Cheaper than atomizers.
The wires remind me of the filaments in an old style light bulb. But they are more like the shape of the spring in a mouse trap. Imagine taking a spring out out of a mouse trap and then rolling up a cotton ball and sticking it through the hollow middle of the spring. Then taking the ends of the spring that stick out, and attaching them to a little platform by tightening a couple of screws down on them. That is pretty much all you are doing but everything is on a smaller scale so you need decent 'near' vision and a smidgen of hand eye coordination.
They have premade wires at My Vapor Store online and there is also a company called Coilology that sells a bunch of different kinds. I think Coilmaster also sells them. Don't even worry about getting fancy stuff. Just start with simple premade Kanthal coils that are already made to the resistance that you are interested in. Once you see how simple it is and how easy it is to put a coil on a deck you'll probably get into it. The hardest part for me is to get the stupid fluffy cotton through the middle of the thing. After that it's all gravy.
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I used Goodejuice NETs in a single coil EVOD w/cotton wick, you have to baby them but they can have great taste and I never had unusual gunk issues. The Black Note stuff is expensive but also clean. The MVJ (OOP) extracts were gunky though. They recommended 25-30% extract, I use less than 10% and they're not more gunky than some flavorings at 10%, but not as strong tasting either.
Spinners are eGo threaded devices which mean they also have a 510 connector in there, however most of them use plated brass which tends to not hold up. The 510 is more for charging, with the mechanically superior eGo thread for your tank, but no new tanks use eGo. They also won't drive below about 1.5 ohm, a little lower won't indicate bad but turn it up more and nothing changes. Popular for original Nautilus. There are also a lot of copies, my first one was probably the "red board" copy which took about 11 hours to charge. They appear all picky about charger adapters, they charge through the 510 connector, no USB. The second one I had was very cool, 450 maH very small. These are still the smallest highly adjustable battery available. But also probably old stock, I doubt they've been produced for years.
Spinners are eGo threaded devices which mean they also have a 510 connector in there, however most of them use plated brass which tends to not hold up. The 510 is more for charging, with the mechanically superior eGo thread for your tank, but no new tanks use eGo. They also won't drive below about 1.5 ohm, a little lower won't indicate bad but turn it up more and nothing changes. Popular for original Nautilus. There are also a lot of copies, my first one was probably the "red board" copy which took about 11 hours to charge. They appear all picky about charger adapters, they charge through the 510 connector, no USB. The second one I had was very cool, 450 maH very small. These are still the smallest highly adjustable battery available. But also probably old stock, I doubt they've been produced for years.
The old Vision Spinner was the first thing ever to give me a decent vape. You can still get them:
Vision Spinner VV eGo Battery 1300mAh
...and they still have that eGo/510 combo connection that requires a special charger:
I have no idea what the Ohms limits are on these bad boys so I'll take your word for it. I think it's kind of funny that my Aspire CF Mod has that same eGo/510 combo connection. IIRC it comes from a time when 'sub ohming' was a big deal. I think the version with an internal battery had the same charging set up.
I want to thank everyone for their contributions to this thread. You guys have given me a lot of good ideas and a lot to process. Thanks!
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