Need to vent a little about Vaping

[Wickeddeuce]

So this could probably go into the general, but you guys are family and id prefer to vent to you guys, otherwise i would have posted in the thread...

so this morning, before going to work i hopped on and checked the various subs... in the general discussion i saw the thread too many january users talking about sub ohms... or whatever it was titled, i worked my way through the whole thread...

i agree with the original point that people shouldnt be rushing so quickly and the amount of people that are being pushed or jumping into sub ohms without proper knowledge is dangerous and hazardous to the entire vaping community...

i do not agree with however the people bashing those who want a larger vape, a thicker cloud and so forth and what not... for many people vaping was a way to quit smoking... key word smoking... not just cigarettes... i didnt smoke because i was addicted to the nicotine, dont get me wrong it had its benefits... but i was addicted to the smoke, the act of smoking, when i was in afghanistan i went and got a hookah... i used that hookah nearly every single night... when i had a couple of hours to kill i would break out the hookah load the shisha and just smoke for that time... i like to smoke, well i like to vape now, but smoke then...

the reason i never successfully quit smoking until i started vaping in september is I LIKE TO SMOKE! The reason I took to vaping so freely was it offered me the ability to vape like i smoked a hookah, big clouds, flavor, nice and smooth... awesome, and oh yeah im not tethered to it for an hour minimum to avoid wasting what i just put into it...

i still havent made a sub ohm build yet... will i probably, will i get stupid low, no... but because i like to blow nice clouds, because i enjoy the feel of a nice big cloud... and i enjoy the taste, dont label me as someone giving the vaping community a bad name... i am not in this for sport, i am in this for me...

everyone has their own preference and as long as they arent being stupid or careless with it, stop judging, oh yeah and following the rules, thats a big one... and as pbusardo said, if your not following the rules at least dont advertise it!

so that was my rant, sorry, i just had to get that off my chest... it bugged me a bit, and while i should have said it in there, it was kind of obvious that was not the time or the place for it...

i am open to differing opinions, discussions, whatever in regards to this, i just had to say it... (and if you guys agree, or disagree, but especially agree chiming in would be super to feel that im not alone)

see i already feel better after getting that little rant out...

 

[DoogieTony]

I don't think anyone gets upset that some people want to make clouds. The problem comes in where the guy who's been vaping for 2 days wants to wrap a 0.1 ohm quad coil with no way to check resistance or shorts (and wouldn't know how even if they had a meter) while using a 18350 ultrafire, it's just absurd because most of these types only want to do so to seem cool and show off.

I blame the a-holes on youtube who just post vids of them self trying to suck golf balls through garden hoses and succeeding.

There should really be stickies regarding battery safety, C ratings and what they mean, amp limits, Ohms law, etc.

 

[Filthy-Beast]

No I hear you. I too liked to smoke, I was even know to inhale Cuban cigars So yeah I agree but I also think there is a difference between a sub ohmer who at .6 and above and those playing with .3 ohms coils.

Where I think the community has taken a big hit in the public is from "Entitled Vapors", Those who choose to blow big bellowing clouds in public to make a statement or get attention. In public, at restaurants or bars I always semi stealth vape not completely hiding it but not in your face. I'm sure the ban in Chicago is partly the result of massive vapor clouds wafting onto the tables of nearby diners.

 

[element77]

I empathize.
I just finished an after work hours saftey lecture to an employee who makes plenty of mistakes. So far no harm no real penalty, but the importance of taking the time to read and know what it is you are about to engage in, is paramount to life in general.
I described an internal alarm that goes off when we are about to screw up. We all have one. They are all calibrated more or less sensitively.
Some fail to alert in time and some are just plain broken (see Darwin's Law). But those with a high sensitivity calibrated, usually end up in positions with greater responsibility and can use that alert to help more than just themselves avoid error.
I hope all of us here can continue to fine tune our "internal alarms" through patient, responsive comment
I personally have had friends here point out, when some of my posts could be dangerously interpreted if used out of the context of the post. I was happy to be "educated" and deleted the posts

OP I feel you should post this in the general. The internet has a way of allowing a microphone to everyone, regardless of qualifications, and this type of discussion is useful and thought provoking.
Vape on my friends, Vape on

 

[ltrainer]

I agree with your post. I don't care if someone sub ohms, blows huge clouds or if they vape at 4 watts. Whatever it takes to keep off the cigs. What I am concerned about are people that are ignorant of the dangers involved with ecigs or are aware but don't care to learn proper safety. We don't need any more bad press than whats out there already.

Blowing huge clouds around other people in some places I consider bad form and stealth vaping on airplanes for me is a huge no no.

 

[PoopyUnderwear]

When I got into rebuilding I looked into sub vaping but, after reading safety warnings I decided I didn't want to do that much homework. I would actually love a good vape without the vapor cloud!

Sent from my brain to the intro webs

 

[CATastrophe]

I agree, too. I'm not a sub-ohmer but I've done my homework and have been building my own coils for over a year now. Those I know personally who do sub-ohm, have done their homework and do it correctly and with safety in mind.

However, I was at a vape meet this past weekend and was talking to the young man in line behind me. We exchanged pleasantries and I asked him about his rig. He said he was vaping 0.1 ohm. So I said, "Are you sure?" And he proceeded to tell me he's using a dual coil that was set up by some local shop and yes, it was 0.1 ohm. 8-o I asked him about batteries and he said he was using Efests. Now, admittedly, I don't know squat about Efests, but he didn't know squat about sub-ohm vaping and safety. He readily admitted he was a "cloud chaser." I believe he thought because I am not of his generation, he thought I wasn't aware of things. I did question the safety and he sure didn't seem concerned about it. These are the kinds of folks who really need some vape-education. And the dimwits at the local shop who set him up and sent him on his way should be ashamed of their lack of sense.

Funny thing is, later during the meet he came over to our table to check out all the REOs. I kept my distance.

 

[JC Okie]

Wicked....I agree with your post and sympathize. I liked to smoke when I smoked.....that's why I could never quit. I LIKED it too much. And now I like to vape...even more. And I like clouds, too. I don't sub-ohm, but I usually run a .9 ohm to 1.1 ohm coil. In the general forum, you get all kinds of people/vapers....at all stages of the game. Sometimes someone who's been vaping for about 30 minutes asks whether ohms are important in wrapping coils. What????? You don't even know where to begin in trying to "educate" him. That's what gets people exasperated.

Here you're preaching to the choir....Ha.

 

[Rmcgloth]

Without calling for regulation, would it be hard on battery makers to actually put the c rating on the battery? A little sticker that says, not for use above x watts or below x ohms? Eh, probably won't make much of a difference. The types we are describing would take it as a challenge.

 

[Wickeddeuce]

Ok... thanks to everyone, I was not expecting negative feedback and I posted this here because I expected this kind of response... and the people here are limited...

I would like to clarify that if I do agree with the general consensus of people doing things that even if they were educated is unsafe is no good, people who are not educated doing it is absolutely horrible...

people who like to sub ohm above .5 ohms go for it, its safe with 30 amp batts... its plenty safe... but going under .5 even with 30 amps is dangerous... not because a 30 amp battery cant handle a .4 it should be able to... but going beneath .5 ohms the amps start to shoot up a little more rapidly, and sometimes the smallest of things can cause a coil to fluctuate...

i do not intend to ever run a build that is at .5 ohms... the lowest i will let myself go is .6, even with something as radical as a .2 ohm fluctuation to drop it to .4 ohms and i will still be in a "safe" range... but I am perfectly satisfied with my 1 ohm coil, may eventually try lower after i consistently build lovely 1 ohm coils... i also dont want to get too low because too many amps draw and your draining those batteries...

a guy at the local vape shop that i dropped in to take a look at drip tips to see if there was anything that would look really really good on the reo/rm2 combo... was talking to me about his low ohm builds i think he said .5 ohms, or it might have been a .3... talking about how quickly he goes through batteries... i dont want to carry a whole bunch of batteries on me... 2 spares is all i want to have... 1 in, and 2 in a case...

anyways, in the thread there was an underlying stigma against sub ohm, cloud chasers...

I vape, I safely work towards making a larger, thicker cloud... but most of all... I do not vape in areas that I shouldn't, and on the rare occasion that I take a vape somewhere that is questionable or somewhere that I shouldn't (not can't, shouldn't) I take a small toot not a huge rip and keep it fairly discreet...

 

[twgbonehead]

Wickeddeuce,

I also read that whole thread. (Well, at least as of a couple of hours ago). One of the problems with written communications is that it really sucks at getting across what people are really trying to say - without voice and visual cues, we all communicate like crap.

With a few exceptions, I thought that thread was mostly about people who were worried that someone was going to hurt themselves because they were getting into something which could be dangerous, and doing it without understanding anything about what they were doing. I had seen several posts which also concerned me (including someone describing ohm's law as "power is twice the voltage divided by the resistance" - NOT! (unless you're vaping at 2 volts ;-) That person didn't know what he was doing, and although I respect his right to experiment with what he wants, it's really not right for him to be giving advice when he doesn't know what he's talking about.

But there were exceptions to just honest concern, and that's one of the things about a forum like this. It's open to everybody (with some fairly lenient rules) and people will say things that rub you the wrong way. In life you encounter people who are self-righteous, people who are nasty, people who are uninformed, and people who are just plain asses; this forum has a bunch of great people, but people nonetheless.

I know exactly what you mean about getting a major vape; you want something that's MORE like a cigarette than can be provided by a lot of setups, and that does require something custom, IMHO. I agree totally. Nothing wrong with that goal at all.

Don't take it personally! (Geez, I really hope you weren't the guy who mis-quoted Ohm's law! ;-) The forum is intended to help, but nobody promised we wouldn't get you angry every once in a while! Learn what you can from this site, contribute what you will, but whatever you do is your decision, and nobody should take those choices away from you. (Although the FDA is trying).

Don't stress, when it all comes down to it it's cool. Happy Vaping!

 

[MamaTried]

i think there's a difference between bashing "sub-ohm or cloud chasers" (bad) versus opining about anyone trying to do either (or even starting to build coils, for that matter) without understanding the basics. it's really about education on safety.

unfortunately, cloud-chasers and sub-ohmers are the "poster boys" for the uneducated, unsafe newbie. but when push comes to shove, i think more people are concerned about safety, not sub-ohming or chasing clouds-- but we don't always articulate that well. i'd wager that many of the posters in that thread that ticked off Wicked by comments on sub-ohming or chasing were really irked about safety, but just expressed it poorly. i know i do that all the time.


o yeh, i posted in that thread

 

[Wickeddeuce]

Wickeddeuce,

I also read that whole thread. (Well, at least as of a couple of hours ago). One of the problems with written communications is that it really sucks at getting across what people are really trying to say - without voice and visual cues, we all communicate like crap.

With a few exceptions, I thought that thread was mostly about people who were worried that someone was going to hurt themselves because they were getting into something which could be dangerous, and doing it without understanding anything about what they were doing. I had seen several posts which also concerned me (including someone describing ohm's law as "power is twice the voltage divided by the resistance" - NOT! (unless you're vaping at 2 volts ;-) That person didn't know what he was doing, and although I respect his right to experiment with what he wants, it's really not right for him to be giving advice when he doesn't know what he's talking about.

But there were exceptions to just honest concern, and that's one of the things about a forum like this. It's open to everybody (with some fairly lenient rules) and people will say things that rub you the wrong way. In life you encounter people who are self-righteous, people who are nasty, people who are uninformed, and people who are just plain asses; this forum has a bunch of great people, but people nonetheless.

I know exactly what you mean about getting a major vape; you want something that's MORE like a cigarette than can be provided by a lot of setups, and that does require something custom, IMHO. I agree totally. Nothing wrong with that goal at all.

Don't take it personally! (Geez, I really hope you weren't the guy who mis-quoted Ohm's law! ;-) The forum is intended to help, but nobody promised we wouldn't get you angry every once in a while! Learn what you can from this site, contribute what you will, but whatever you do is your decision, and nobody should take those choices away from you. (Although the FDA is trying).

Don't stress, when it all comes down to it it's cool. Happy Vaping!

I havent read since this morning, and you are right there are problems with communication and I did not say they blatantly said that sub ohms, cloud chasers whatever are bad. They said nothing of the sort the main point is people who are uninformed, unaware doing things that are extremely unsafe and potentially extremely dangerous. I am not upset by this point. If you closely read the thread, and read a little bit between the lines, pick up on subtle wordplay, take everything into consideration, etc there is quite a bit of negativity towards sub ohms, towards blowing clouds... towards what some people who are doing it safely view to be an enjoyable vape. i never commented on that thread and immediately picked up ohms law as my first device was an ego vv2 mega and i was interested in understanding every fine little detail...

i dont want something more like a cigarette... i dont want to argue or debate... i just watch how you word things a bit, its been a bad day for me, and i may be over interpreting in regards to your post due to my foul mood... but it did not go over well... especially when quite a bit of it appears that you did not fully read my post you appear to have merely skimmed it and replied...

i bring this up because i clearly mentioned me and smoking hookah... that i was after that... not cigs...

sorry if this is grumpy or pissy... but im not in the best of moods currently... and well aside from the joking insults that insinuate a lack of intellect... it is also lacking in regards to what i wrote...

again i am sorry im a bit grumpy... but there is some reason to have issue with a stigma forming against sub ohm vapers / cloud chasers...

 

[Wickeddeuce]

i think there's a difference between bashing "sub-ohm or cloud chasers" (bad) versus opining about anyone trying to do either (or even starting to build coils, for that matter) without understanding the basics. it's really about education on safety.

unfortunately, cloud-chasers and sub-ohmers are the "poster boys" for the uneducated, unsafe newbie. but when push comes to shove, i think more people are concerned about safety, not sub-ohming or chasing clouds-- but we don't always articulate that well. i'd wager that many of the posters in that thread that ticked off Wicked by comments on sub-ohming or chasing were really irked about safety, but just expressed it poorly. i know i do that all the time.


o yeh, i posted in that thread

yes and no... more of no... the issues that struck with me where in regards to them being satisfied with their vape and not understanding why someone needs more... that no one tried to improve a cigarette and make it hit better so why would they do so with a vape... theres a few things there... most of them are not straightforward... it is there it is just not plainly spelled out... its not everyone either...

edit: and im not even a sub ohmer...

 

[Rosco P. Coltrane]

I was in that thread last night and had to stop reading/responding. It seems that at times we are our own worst enemy.

A community who often talks about how dumb the .gov is for trying to ban vaping, will throw out ideas of banning and restricting all sorts of things in an effort to save the stupid. The irony is too much. If you suggest that liberty is the best way to go, and only Offer advice, not force anyone to do anything, you must hate the children.

 

[BabyCrusher]

Out here in Arkansas people stop at yield signs when there is nothing to yield for. Do I ask them if they understand why it's a yield and not a stop?

Drivers who go to far under the speed limit in a highway or don't use a merge Lane to reach flow of traffic speed. Do they realize why what they are doing is dangerous and why things are designed the way they are?

Admit it. We are not a society interested in maintaining the gears or understanding how an idea became the standard from vision to fruition. This will get worse and worse as time goes on, for all people. In turn, we lose sight. We get comfortable. We forget. Then, we are vulnerable.

Sometimes you have to get burned to know fire is hot. Even then it can take several reminders. You won't change it. You can however step in and educate. I'm talking about making a person feel the want to learn, spark the curiosity, and not with fear but with hunger for knowledge. The second you start scrutinizing ones actions you will be shut out, no matter what.



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[r2d2]

Out here in Arkansas people stop at yield signs when there is nothing to yield for. Do I ask them if they understand why it's a yield and not a stop?

Drivers who go to far under the speed limit in a highway or don't use a merge Lane to reach flow of traffic speed. Do they realize why what they are doing is dangerous and why things are designed the way they are?

Admit it. We are not a society interested in maintaining the gears or understanding how an idea became the standard from vision to fruition. This will get worse and worse as time goes on, for all people. In turn, we lose sight. We get comfortable. We forget. Then, we are vulnerable.

Sometimes you have to get burned to know fire is hot. Even then it can take several reminders. You won't change it. You can however step in and educate. I'm talking about making a person feel the want to learn, spark the curiosity, and not with fear but with hunger for knowledge. The second you start scrutinizing ones actions you will be shut out, no matter what.



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VERY well put.

 

[Cavere]

I am a sub ohming cloud chaser. Pretty much every build I do is between .32-.45 depending on the atty. That's what I love to vape. But I do know what I am doing. I know my amperage and my batteries. I test my coils for shorts before they go on my mod. There are a lot of people that just don't know.

I understand the frustration and locally we've had an issue of a shop building way too low builds for people that don't know safety in unsafe batteries. That's where the problem with sub ohm lies.

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