Negative Reviews

[Uncle]

Thanks, Stownz! Ya know, I'm tired of being nice about things all the time. I'm tired of skipping over threads because I don't want to offend anyone with how I really feel about a product or a vendor. I'll give credit where credit is due (IkenVape and OSDIYS), but there are some products and vendors out there that really piss me off. I've wasted so much time and money in the ten months that I've been vaping and I don't want the new people to have the same experience. I'm just glad that I've finally found a couple of vendors that I really LOVE who offer dependable products and customer service. If that makes me a "fan girl" then so be it, but if I can post an honest negative review that might help someone avoid wasting their time and money, then why shouldn't I?

I don't want to spend $25 on a tank just so my CE2's might work. If someone else does, that's great. Go for it, but I'm still not going to say that the CE2's or Clearomizers are great because I don't think they are. I'm not a modder, so I don't want to take a Dremel after my cartos. I don't even own a Dremel! I don't think it's too much to ask for something to work with a minimum of fuss right out of the box.

When I order something and the order is wrong, I don't want to spend time emailing back and forth with the vendor arguing about how I'M wrong. Damn it, when I order XL 510 atomizers, I expect XL 510 Atomizers not XL eGo atomizers! I understand when orders get screwed up, but I don't understand being treated in such a way. I'm not trying to rip anyone off. I just want what I ordered.

YOU GO GIRL ! ! ! !

I am always amazed how people avoid being direct and honest about something that will help other people . . . And as a "newbie" to all of this who hasn't been at it too long - at times I NEED help getting through all this information and finding the right "stuff" for ME - "MY STUFF" (as George Carlin would have said ) that will help ME - so having an honest, although personal opinion is exactly what I want to hear and need to read . . . Then it's up to me to decide what I need and/or want . . .

And on that note, the one thing I can always count on is that people like You - "WomanofHeart"; and "Hairball", "spacekitty" & "mlinky" (the kitty women); "JC Okie"; "Hoosier", "expat", "swedishfish", "tearose", "Wolfstar" - just to name a few - like so many other more experienced "Vapors' are here to advise US - to give us an HONEST striaght forward opinion . . . SO - at least from ME - A BIG THANK YOU ! ! ! to one and all ECFer's who provide us with the info and answers to our questions . . .

P.S. BTW, if you did have a "Dremel" available - Would I have to run in the other direction ?
Or could I still stand by your side?

 

[Uncle]

It's the mod equivalent of the wished for "don't like" button

AND - I'm still "ROTFLMAO" . . ..

(OPPS - I hope using an acronym is alright and it doesn't need to be censored - NOW Please - "don't like" - ME "oldsoldier' )

 

[WomanOfHeart]

YOU GO GIRL ! ! ! !

P.S. BTW, if you did have a "Dremel" available - Would I have to run in the other direction ?
Or could I still stand by your side?

That would all depend on whether I've consumed enough coffee yet...

 

[Stosh]

Dremels are fun, you can destroy all sorts of stuff in 1/10 the time.......

 

[ShannonA]

Okay, I'll stop being nice. You asked for it, so here it goes:

CE2 cartos SUCK! They're all pieces of non-wicking, gotta tweak them like crazy crap.

eGo Mega cartos (the ones where you have to pierce the top with a sharp object) are CRAP! They're hard to fill and they taste like CRAP!

For as much as I really like Gourmet Vapor, they're shipping during sales is exceedingly slow and it's pissing people off! I can't blame the customers for being upset about this. When they have a sale, they should get extra help or their employees should expect to work a little overtime. Get the orders out without any excuses. Period. Other vendors can do it.

Yanno I hated the CE2s also but I tried the revision 5 from Nhaler (not clear) and I'm pretty happy with them. It was my last ditch effort at liking them and I guess it worked. Clearos suck though total waste of my time and juice.

 

[lasttango]

Being able to see both sides of a coin are quite important. There are different experiences with products, and the feedback from both are what allow us to make an informed decision.

Protecting consumers is much more important then protecting your favorite supplier.

Fanboys will post over and over again defending a supplier, but how many people will defend that new user that just got price gouged on an ego that died in 3 days? Bad trend on ECF here, and seems to be getting worse. The nooby may be posting in a rage, but he/she is unhappy. They may very well just give up on e-cigs, and never post a word about their dealings with certain suppliers. For every 1 unhappy person that actually posts a bad review, there are hundreds or more that never say a word. ECF should be the place for ...... off people and Supplier Fanboys alike. I really want to know what vendors to avoid, and what products are junk.

I want to see happy people vaping whatever it takes to keep them away from cigs. I want everyone to feel free to share the good and the bad so I don't have to log into a forum full of advertiser spam and advertiser affiliates and reviewers doing biased reviews to get more free stuff.

Yet, people are allowed to go on the classifieds and pull the same stunt. I understand how scarcity can be a factor in price...
...but time and time again, I see people offering items at what a vendor charges... or more and all of these gratuitous bumps from pals... they throw in juice samples, ego cones and the carts from their first ego kit 8 months ago with their used... USED mod and try to weasel more money out of a fellow forum member.

In my e-cig supply closet ;-) I have 7 KR808 batts, 5 ego batts, (2) Janty/Joye sticks and a handful of atties that I have accumulated from the classies that never worked from day one... that were described as newish/ barely used...
They never worked or broke in the first week... Seller's defense was always, "worked fine for me..."
So I am stuck with it. Lessons learned

Over almost 2 years, I have thrown out or given away a couple/few hundred mls of juice that were not as described as well.

My point is that there is no viable way to call someone out in the classies that works this way... because I see them time and time again... posting their junk and bad deals and watch their buddies give bumps to the help bolster the confidence of a noob or uninformed person.

I completely understand someone wanting to recoup as much of their "investment" as possible, but when it comes at the expense of another forum member, I take issue with it... unfortunately, that's called "harassment."

and... I appreciate many of our vendors... If I were as talented as Stownz ;-) and understood how to make/modify and build things, I might feel different... but If some dude figures out how to make a PV out of a plastic box, some wires and other parts and pieces... and wants to charge a moderate price for it... I am very pleased... Thank you dude! now I can vape...
...but when dude #2 buys their product, uses it for a while... then throws it in the classies for what they paid for it hoping that dude #3 doesn't notice they can get a new warrantied one for about the same price, I think that's bad for vendors and bad for the e-cig community... it steals sales from someone that is likely barely making ends meet and providing a valuable service and it will ultimately pi** off the unsuspecting buyer...

end of of rant...

 

[oldsoldier]

Use the negative feedback thread in the classifieds. Until we get a better feedback system ( it is has been discussed and there is a good chance we will in the future) that is the only way to call out bad sellers on the classifieds. Well, the only way within forum rules...

 

[Twisty]

Use the negative feedback thread in the classifieds. Until we get a better feedback system ( it is has been discussed and there is a good chance we will in the future) that is the only way to call out bad sellers on the classifieds. Well, the only way within forum rules...

I don't suppose shooting them with your ray gun is within forum rules

 

[nanovapr]

To an end user, accurate and fair reviews are the most important thing, whether positive or negative.

To a manufacturer, positive reviews are the most important thing, because they are already tooled up to make [insert product here], and any changes reduce the bottom line.

To a vendor, positive reviews are the most important thing, because they often operate on thin margins, and do not directly have the ability to change a product, other than feedback to the manufacturer, or not carrying it anymore if it is not working well for them.

On https web sites and payments, I am a network security guy, and I do not like having to give my CC info out so many times for vaping. Conversely, I am happy to have stopped smoking, and currently too impatient to wait on using a money order.

I've been online a long time, and being reasonably paranoid, I usually limit my banking info to my bank, and Paypal. I know of the PP problems for vaping and they have their own set of problems. I am a moderate Evilbay user, and PP has made that difficult to use without PP.

My bank has a very vested interest in keeping my stuff secure, and I have reviewed their practices, and made suggestions that they took. Paypal is a very big target for security, they have top-notch servers and smart guys taking care of it.

Every credit card, every vendor, every bill I pay regularly has an option to sign up to pay. I purposefully do not sign up with my info everywhere. I may really trust my electric company (for example) to be an expert at taking care of my pole, transformer, and be there when trees knock out power in a storm. I do not expect them to be an expert at best practices at online security. They very well might have hired someone that is, but that is not their area of expertise.

I can set up my electric company to be paid through my bank online, I will trust my bank more to do secure handling of my money, and I will trust my electric company to take care of my power.

 

[want to quit]

The worst vaping supply I ever bought will be without a doubt these Vortex things.

Reasons: The vape is tasteless, they break easy, you have no option of putting a drip tip on it or any other sort of mouth piece, the rubber cap that you have to use is horrible on your lips, and at one point some juice will go through the inner tube and cause some leaking I just think that these things are a waste of money I rather burn the $5 or whatever I paid for them than ever buying a Vortex again.

I rest my case

 

[Sdh]

I usually don't fall for the hype. Is this a new generalized negative review thread? If so, I could contribute.

 

[fray]

I usually don't fall for the hype. Is this a new generalized negative review thread? If so, I could contribute.

I think it is more of a negative review discussion thread where we are venting some. Negative reviews seem to not be tolerated by some people in the community.

 

[Thank You]

Ego battery w/ dual coil boge carts & drip tip = heaven

 

[Mr. P]

I usually don't fall for the hype. Is this a new generalized negative review thread? If so, I could contribute.

Be careful or the mod police will get you. I know they say use the negative thread but that is also limited. It seems like you can only post positive things in here or the moderators will come and delete the posts and/or lock the threads. There is nothing wrong with a negative post and as long as you don't personally attack someone then it should be alright.
I understand that this is a friendly forum but just as with life not all things are peaches and cream and I think the mods should use a little more discretion before deleting or locking.

 

[Sdh]

I think it is more of a negative review discussion thread where we are venting some. Negative reviews seem to not be tolerated by some people in the community.

Cool! Its always nice to vent without the fans picking on you. I see that periodically and stray from posting negative.

My own inner thoughts. I am thinking that maybe.....these people are thinking they are going to get freebies or something.(For continual posting...fanbois...etc.) IDK Some of the threads make me think...OMG are these folks for real. How many times can one post about how great that product is.

I also believe if a company advertises that it sells an American made nicotine base that it should provide the details. I am not going to believe a marketer that "just got into the business" to sell me nicotine fluid.

I also believe that some of the smaller vendors are just re branding e-liquids that they purchase elsewhere. I am not talking about the name brands on this forum. I see a few that I mistrust.

An example would be this....vendor just comes out with new website promoting e-liquid....I looked at prior posts to see their history. I looked at the DIY and PIF sub-forums. They are talking about not knowing how to mix e-liquids not even a month before new website for e-liquid sales.




Okay my rant is over...I may have a few left...thanks for listening...Sdh

 

[Morris]

On https web sites and payments, I am a network security guy, and I do not like having to give my CC info out so many times for vaping. Conversely, I am happy to have stopped smoking, and currently too impatient to wait on using a money order.

I've been online a long time, and being reasonably paranoid, I usually limit my banking info to my bank, and Paypal. I know of the PP problems for vaping and they have their own set of problems. I am a moderate Evilbay user, and PP has made that difficult to use without PP.

My bank has a very vested interest in keeping my stuff secure, and I have reviewed their practices, and made suggestions that they took. Paypal is a very big target for security, they have top-notch servers and smart guys taking care of it.

Every credit card, every vendor, every bill I pay regularly has an option to sign up to pay. I purposefully do not sign up with my info everywhere. I may really trust my electric company (for example) to be an expert at taking care of my pole, transformer, and be there when trees knock out power in a storm. I do not expect them to be an expert at best practices at online security. They very well might have hired someone that is, but that is not their area of expertise.

I can set up my electric company to be paid through my bank online, I will trust my bank more to do secure handling of my money, and I will trust my electric company to take care of my power.

Adding on to this, NOTHING on the internet is "secure." I trust who I bank with, but in the end, your checking account does not have zero fraud liability (unless yours does..in which case I wanna sign up ). It's always safer to purchase a pre paid credit card to make purchases on the internet. Put a set amount on the card, use it, and refill it. I never purchase items using my bank debit card. Being cleaned out of a pre paid card is FAR safer than being cleaned out of my bank debit card. Actual credit cards, like capital one (etc), have zero fraud liability and will refund your account if anything happens. That, to me, sounds the safest.

I appreciate negative reviews. I have purchases dome clearomizers from volcano, and I've definitely sucked up some e-juice in my mouth (yuk), but when they do work, they work fantastically. The new ones that they have have not broken on me yet, like their old ones did. I'm still a huge fan of the tankomizers...but I'm still new to vaping and still learning. Negative, thoughtful reviews are going to save me money! Keep being negative! haha

 

[oldsoldier]

Be careful or the mod police will get you.

Only if you deserve it

I know they say use the negative thread but that is also limited. It seems like you can only post positive things in here or the moderators will come and delete the posts and/or lock the threads.

If your review is just a bunch of negative crap because you hate vendor x it will likely get deleted. We don't put up with vendetta and revenge type postings. If you have a negative review and it is "real" feel free to post it as long as you don't attack people personally or spout outlandish claims that are unfounded. Sticking to the facts and your personal opinion of a product is how to make a negative review. The Mods here vape and use the vendors too, so we can spot the BS( from reviewers as well as vendors).

There is nothing wrong with a negative post and as long as you don't personally attack someone then it should be alright.

You are 100% correct

I understand that this is a friendly forum but just as with life not all things are peaches and cream and I think the mods should use a little more discretion before deleting or locking.

You would be surprised at how little we actually delete and lock. But that is a whole other subject.

 

[Uncle]

I was thinking, when is a review of a product (be it an "e-cig," "Mods", or "e-juice") or even a vendor that failed to "deliver" considered negative, especially when what is written is a personal opinion and critic of something that that person has used or tried . . . Don't we all express our opinions of what we like and what "works" for us to let others know about the product or prise a vendor . . . So what is wrong with providing a critic of a product or vendor that either didn't work as described or failed . . . And NO - I am not saying to berate or come down hard on them - but an honest critic/opinion . . . Just a thought . . .

Edit: I guess I was too slow typing my post, it seems "oldsoldier" has just answered this . . . Oh well - My Bad, I guess

 

[Stosh]

Adding on to this, NOTHING on the internet is "secure." I trust who I bank with, but in the end, your checking account does not have zero fraud liability (unless yours does..in which case I wanna sign up ). It's always safer to purchase a pre paid credit card to make purchases on the internet. Put a set amount on the card, use it, and refill it. I never purchase items using my bank debit card. Being cleaned out of a pre paid card is FAR safer than being cleaned out of my bank debit card. Actual credit cards, like capital one (etc), have zero fraud liability and will refund your account if anything happens. That, to me, sounds the safest......

My bank CC has an option to generate a "single use CC number" tied to your regular CC. You set the amount it "credit card" is good for and the date it has to be used by. My bank debit card is only used at MY bank's ATM or swiped by my bank's tellers.
I do pay bills online, where I tell my bank how much to send to whom, never give any access for withdrawal of funds automatically for any reason.

 

[fray]

I posted I my frustration about honeyvilles looooong lead time on their juice (been almost 3 weeks) and got flamed immediately.

I don't like being told I should get over it because the supplier is busy and the juice was cheap.

I could see a week, I got a little irritated at 2 weeks. It's going on 3 weeks and I am mad.

Vent over