Negative Reviews

[bmwjen]

I am in 100% agreement with the OP. However, if you know me in person, you know that I call 'em like I see 'em anyways.

If you are going to list the negatives on something, I think it's only right to list ways that it can be improved, or what you would like to see come from the product instead.

 

[Valsacar]

On the flip side, being that it is the Internet .. readers should maintain a slight bit of the sceptic when reading .. nothing prevents folks from using mutiple emails and what not in order to maintain as many registered user names as they like and thus putting some spin on things .. just sayin' ..

The fact that as soon as we catch you you'll be banned might cause an issue for those that want to break the rules and pervert the reviews section like that. Oldsoldier and I always enjoy tracking down people like that and pushing the ban button.

 

[vocr]

I would like to get this thread pinned . I agree and its a very real danger for communities!!

If they get too positive and people get shouted down when they say anything negative, then a societal trend happens where everyone starts self censoring. Then it becomes a big community just shilling for vendors and products.

That hasn't happened in this forum and I want to make sure it never does. However, there is one area where I do see this happening. That is the health section.

Now I agree, people who come here and post a negative experience/danger warning, well, a lot of those posts they tend to not be very careful in troubleshooting. Switching to vaping causes a lot of other changes due to the simple fact that this is a major lifestyle change. The negative posts I've read in health, well they tend to be someone posting a negative and blaming vaping when I can see right away they haven't even been to a doctor yet to rule out an infection or something else.

That said, the mass of people who jump down their throat immediately is not good. Its exactly like what I posted about above. It leads to self censorship and a burying of the truth. I wish the ECF overlords would look into that and figur eout a way to balance it a bit more in that section.

 

[demon72]

Good point Vocr!

 

[oldsoldier]

The fact that as soon as we catch you you'll be banned might cause an issue for those that want to break the rules and pervert the reviews section like that. Oldsoldier and I always enjoy tracking down people like that and pushing the ban button.

It's the mod equivalent of the wished for "don't like" button

 

[oldsoldier]

I would like to get this thread pinned . I agree and its a very real danger for communities!!
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To paraphrase our fearless leader, "No one reads the stickies"

 

[Stosh]

I started fixing and modding things long before I started smoking, when dinosaurs roamed the earth, and electronics included vacuum tubes. Cartos in general with any type of roast-able filler and a hidden amount of juice are total failures IMO. The CE2s, I find the easiest to mod, failures out of the box as much as any other cartos. Tanks in general are a good idea, but I'm still waiting on delivery of more materials to make the modifications to make the models I own work so the jury is still out.0

Attys and dripping are as annoying to me as the little pats of butter encased in plastic served in some diners and restaurants, the end product is good, but the "work expended per pat" is unacceptable.

My biggest gripe with any vendor is listing products on their websites that are "Sorry, Out of Stock" but we'll notify you when we're ready to take your money. I don't want to have to click through to the "enter the quantity" to be told "we'll let you know" and if you're lucky when the stock is available, you'll be in front of your computer. MadVapes will list the number available along with the stock pictures, and GoodProphets does take down listings for products that are out of stock and CAN'T be bought.

IkenVape, BWB and Reos may be some the worst offenders, but there are numerous others. If you want to be in BUSINESS (not just a hobby), adequate stocking levels, normal credit card billing methods, secure websites are a basic minimum. My

 

[oldsoldier]

If you want to be in BUSINESS (not just a hobby), adequate stocking levels, normal credit card billing methods, secure websites are a basic minimum. My

I'll see that and raise you

That is a big deal in my book and plays a major part in my decision on where to spend my money.

 

[ponytail girl]

Yes secure website should be a basic minimum..I order from a vendor..and a couple days later, my CC card company was calling me wanting to know did I make 500 dollars worth of purchases from a pet store on line..I then e-mail the Vendor to let them know my credit card number was swipe from there website..Vendor never wrote back..and I will never order from them again..

 

[Valsacar]

I partially agree with Stosh, but I do not like when they take it off their site. I want to know how many you have in stock, and if you don't have any in stock I still want to know that you carry the product. For example I like how CoV makes it very clear that they are out of stock (the Notify Me button), even from the category page I can see if they have it in stock.

Going halfway through the order process and finding out they are out of stock is bad, but taking it off the site completely is bad too. I keep a note of every store that carries the products I want, so if the place I normally get from (normally that means cheapest) is out of stock I'll check the other places. If you don't list it as out of stock (and just take it off your site) then I will never return to your site, because I assume you do not carry that product.

 

[Stosh]

@Valsacar - I understand your point, and agree for the most part. It's just so frustrating when it's only in the fine print that it's out of stock.

Let me know up front, and if you're a good vendor and I can count on it being available on my next order, I'll be back. We know most products are produced in China, and shipping can be an adventure. If you want to lose me as a customer, waste my time shopping, only to find out you don't have anything to sell.

 

[WomanOfHeart]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-reviewers-read-these-changes-affect-you.html

Thank you, Sarge! I stand corrected and it's duly noted.

 

[washvap]

I love this thread. Feel the exact same way about negative reviews. It gives people the other side of the story and everything isn't as perfect as it sounds. Plus, I don't think that giving negative reviews of vendors is bad neither. I always see people use the ----- and not naming the vendor. I think it would be in people's best interest to know who it is and what to watch out for.

Oh yeah, I hate websites that aren't secured. Seriously, I held off from ordering from some vendors just because of that reason. Would it really be that hard just to pay for that? It would save people/customers from possibly getting their identities stolen just in case the website gets hacked.

If any suppliers are looking in this thread. Please take that into account because I would love to order from some of you. Just not now because I can't trust your website to be secure enough to do business with you.

 

[washvap]

Also, I agree with the one about vendors staying in stock. I'm really getting sick and tires of seeing "out of stock" every...single....time that I check the website. It's really discouraging.

 

[Twisty]

As far as inventory goes if you are a vendor the ideal situation is to get a shipment of cartos in just as you sell your last box of cartos. Having inventory costs money.

As a consumer do you shop for the cheapest price then get mad because they are out of stock? Do you go to the vendor who is consistently high and consistently in stock?

 

[Stosh]

As far as inventory goes if you are a vendor the ideal situation is to get a shipment of cartos in just as you sell your last box of cartos. Having inventory costs money.

As a consumer do you shop for the cheapest price then get mad because they are out of stock? Do you go to the vendor who is consistently high and consistently in stock?

If this were even close to the case for many vendors, no complaints. When the vendor is out of stock 25 days in a month, each and every month, there is something amiss in their business plan. Selling vaporware is different from selling vapor wares.

 

[bjannr]

I tell my supervisor at work all the time "To make money you have to spend money". We print books and are constantly running out of certain weight paper, lines go down due to badly needed maintenance. People who want to be in business have a responsibility to their customers to deliver the product.

 

[fray]

I did a couple reviews on products on a popular website last week. My positive review was posted, but a slightly negative review was moderated out. I do not like this at all. I am contacting them about it today.

 

[hubseven]

Here's exactly what I mean, What vendor was it so others credit card numbers aren't swiped. What's the sense in this post if you don't identify the vendor. You see, then it becomes a positive for the vapers and isn't this who this forum is for.

 

[Stosh]

Here's exactly what I mean, What vendor was it so others credit card numbers aren't swiped. What's the sense in this post if you don't identify the vendor. You see, then it becomes a positive for the vapers and isn't this who this forum is for.

Any website you go to for purchases asking for CC info, should be using https:// in their URL. Check the browser line when you go to checkout, no https, and "you're outta there" Also any website (like Amazon for instance) that asks to store your financial information for ease of shopping, don't do it, most likely safe but why chance it. You can also check the store's security certificate presented to your browser, but that's true geekiness . You can read up on it here :US-CERT Cyber Security Tip ST05-010 -- Understanding Web Site Certificates