Never assume youtube tutorials have smart people teaching proper methods.

[Signal30]

Personally I would learn how to wrap a decent coil as well as other safety measures before submitting a video on you tube.

 

[minimalsaint]

Personally I would learn how to wrap a decent coil as well as other safety measures before submitting a video on you tube.

Or set your device.... "Okay I'm gonna try this aaaaaaaat *clickclickclickclickclickclickclick* 4 volts..."
Or have everything ready so you aren't rummaging through drawers to find things you need while the vid is running.
A little prep and practice can turn a 10 minute video into 5.

 

[dr g]

Telling someone what they should or should not do not from a perspective of concern or care, but rather just because they know whats best for the world. They do not need experience and understanding they just know what is best for you and you need to do as they say or you are, Dumb,Stupid,Ignorant and you should not exist.

It's possible for some people to know what's best for the world. That's why we have education, research and science. Some behaviors are just better avoided, and yes there are plenty of people who would do the wrong thing and need to be told (or legislated). BUT if you are going to advocate things, you better have your facts correct. All too often, people don't.

 

[SissySpike]

It's possible for some people to know what's best for the world. That's why we have education, research and science. Some behaviors are just better avoided, and yes there are plenty of people who would do the wrong thing and need to be told (or legislated). BUT if you are going to advocate things, you better have your facts correct. All too often, people don't.

Not sure what you point is?

 

[dr g]

It's possible for some people to know what's best for the world. That's why we have education, research and science. Some behaviors are just better avoided, and yes there are plenty of people who would do the wrong thing and need to be told (or legislated). BUT if you are going to advocate things, you better have your facts correct. All too often, people don't.

Maybe i misunderstood what you wrote, but it looked to me like you had a problem with someone advocating for something per se.

 

[SissySpike]

Maybe i misunderstood what you wrote, but it looked to me like you had a problem with someone advocating for something per se.

Na it was just a rant about a rant;-) Or rants I should say. If you mention sub ohm anymore someone has to chim in and call people stupid dumb or ignorant. It seems most of the time the name caller probably has no clue to help the individual,or how to give them advise on how to play safe. So they just call them names and tell them not to do it. It just reflects the ramped nannyisme that seems to prevail these days.

 

[Signal30]

Watch his videos and it's pretty clear that the dude needs to learn how to wrap a coil.

 

[chadsmo]

I think that anyone in this thread talking any kind of smack should be linking to their YouTube channels with their own great instructional videos and reviews and looks at products.

 

[minimalsaint]

Some people just know better.

 

[Oomee]

I don't have a problem with Grimm Green or his rebuilding videos. He does build some sloppy coils, though. I'm always surprised when he fires them up and they're not shorted.

Personally, I think too much is made of the whole thing. According to some people I see posting here, you wrap a too-low coil, push the fire button, and BOOOM! . .there goes your face, house and half the block in a giant mushroom cloud.

That's really not what happens. What happens is you don't get the huge cloud you were expecting and your button, battery and mod start to get hot. If you were to wrap a super low ohm coil and just lean on the fire button - possibly wearing oven mitts so you could hang on to the darn thing . .yes, your battery would most likely vent and melt.

I personally know of 1 incident where a vapor was injured by an exploding battery. All I know about that is it was some kind of home-made device with stacked CR123 batteries. I don't know if the ohms were high or low, if the device had vent-holes, etc. In my own research, I found several incidences on flashlight forums of stacked CR123 batteries exploding. So, if anything, the hysteria should be focused on stacking batteries or possibly not using CR123 batteries. Perhaps ironically . .people stacking batteries are probably using high-resistance devices - since they running 6 volts. They may be sitting at thier computer right now thinking they are super-safe with thier 3ohm coil and they may be the ones in the most danger!

Anytime we're building a coil, regardless of our target ohms, we could make a short. If what people said about the danger of low-ohms was true . .you'd have exploding batteries everytime somebody fired a coil with a short. I can personally attest to that not being true . .having built several coils that shorted, either immediately or after a short period of usage.

Edit:
But . .I totally agree that you should not blindly follow things you see/read on the internet . .or anywhere else, for that matter. And I'm also not saying that battery safety should be ignored . .quite the opposite. Just don't tell people that thier PV is gonna explode like a hand-grenade because, when it doesn't happen, they'll probably start to disregard other safety information and might, for example, think that the potential danger of stacking batteries is over-exaggerated, too.

So it hasn't happened to you , therefore it cannot happen , and you can feel free to encourage others to follow in your footsteps ?
I have seen clowns like you get burned sooooo many times with a wide variety of devices .

 

[Nermal]

I think that anyone in this thread talking any kind of smack should be linking to their YouTube channels with their own great instructional videos and reviews and looks at products.

Why? You don't have to be a butcher to recognize baloney.

 

[double_aa_ron]

In the past 2 years of vaping in the US how many medically treated vap injury's do we know about? You can count them on one hand. So walking has caused more injury's than vaping in any form. So has ridding bicycles, cars, hammers, the list goes on and on.

I guess I could see the nanny persons point of view even a little if we were seeing even one injury per week but to the best of my knowledge we are not.

It is a fair statement to say there may be risks involved with pushing your equipment to unintended limits.

It is also a fair statement to say risks can be lowered dramatically buy knowing what those limits are, and what your equipment is or is not capable of doing.

To simply blanket something by saying its stupid, dumb, bad ect.... is in its self a statement of ignorance.

The perception that building a crappy coil and pressing the switch on your mechanical mod will result in a injury is just not true.

I would like to see more people inform them selves before they tinker, but I just do not see the cause for alarm the nanny portion of our community is raising.

My definition of a nanny personality

Telling someone what they should or should not do not from a perspective of concern or care, but rather just because they know whats best for the world. They do not need experience and understanding they just know what is best for you and you need to do as they say or you are, Dumb,Stupid,Ignorant and you should not exist.

I agree with all that you said except for the first part.

n the past 2 years of vaping in the US how many medically treated vap injury's do we know about? You can count them on one hand. So walking has caused more injury's than vaping in any form. So has ridding bicycles, cars, hammers, the list goes on and on.

In the past two year how many people were vaping compared to ridding bicycles and cars? Way more people ride bikes and cars and walk for that matter. There have been maybe 2 or 3 million vapers in that time. And of that 2 or 3 million how many of them build their own coils? A few thousand? Give it time. With the amount of new people jumping onto the vape band wagon every day there is bound to be someone that hears about sub ohm vaping and does everything wrong which ends in catastrophic failure.

I can emagin a day that someone goes to fasttech and buys a mechanical mod kit and builds a sub ohm coil that blows up in their face because of substandard batteries.

I don't think anyone should tell me or anyone else what they should or shouldn't do, but I do believe that we as a community should preach safety.

 

[jamentertainment]

Pretty Brutal Thread...Grimm has been making videos to help people learn and develop for years...I think hes a funny Ba$tard

 

[ScottP]

I am a liability lawyer for, Royal Caribbean. He would have no case, as in the description of his videos he has a disclaimer stating he's not responsible for others attempting his method.

You have to be careful with disclaimers, they can sometimes help, but in some states disclaimers offer about as much protection as a suit made of wet toilet paper.

 

[UncleChuck]

I think that anyone in this thread talking any kind of smack should be linking to their YouTube channels with their own great instructional videos and reviews and looks at products.

I'm sure plenty of the people in this thread could link to great instructional, correct, forum posts they have made here. You don't have to be a Youtube vaping celebrity to help fellow vapers. Nor do you have to be a youtube vaping celebrity to spot incorrect and potentially dangerous information spread by reviewers.

I think people are getting way to carried away bashing on GG, pointing out mistakes and expecting corrections is one thing (that I agree with) but attacking the guy for how he looks, acts, etc is just childish. I'm a little disappointed, I really thought the vaping community was better than that.

Really the only major issue I have with GG was his vid where he was building a somewhat low subohm coil and putting it on a 14500 mod. That's downright stupid and dangerous, he REALLY should have known better, and if he didn't, he shouldn't be posting videos about such things. I don't expect all youtube reviewers to be experts on everything, but I DO expect them to know their limits and act accordingly, assuming their goal is actually to help the vaping community.

 

[GetVaked]

I like Grimm, he is great, really helped me out, love his review style. If somebody is rebuilding without doing any research, the only person they can blame if something goes wrong, are themselves.