New batt option for 18650

[Decidion]

Last night I remembered that I had a battery magnet laying around that came with one of my first REO's, so I tried that today - works great. It reduces the button press back to normal and doesn't appreciably compress the spring.

I had thought of ordering some of these, but the thought occurred to me that if it was a magnet (esp one of those rare earth magnets like Robert uses for Grand doors), when you fired it off, wouldn't it just hold the button down once the magnet made contact with the firing pin?

A very real fear I have is that this would happen and the Reo would continuously fire (and maybe even without the knowledge of the user), either burning out the battery, frying the atty, or worse.

 

[Decidion]

So do you mean to ONLY charge them as far as 80--90% of full charge?

Yes, that is correct.

Battery life span will go up, but energy density will go down. Meaning , you will have to charge your battery more often.
Maybe, not the best option for PV users.

Trade off...
Giving up valuable minutes of vaping in return for longer battery life.

I have never heard of doing this before. In fact, I have always had the understanding that the best battery maintenance procedure is to keep them topped off to 95%+, which is the whole point of keeping big batteries on a trickle charger. As another example, the "smart" battery charging software for my laptop battery lets the battery drain down to 95% (so it is not continually trying to keep it at 100%), but then starts the charging process. Unless I am unplugged, the laptop battery never gets into the 80-90% range.

I'm not disputing what you are saying, I've just never heard this before.

 

[mwa102464]

I've been using the Callies Kustoms ( Panasonic CGR18650CH ) for quite some time now, I really like the performance of these Batts, even more then the AW, and I've always and still do like AW very much, but these Panasonics are of a very high quality cell. Also dont forget it is also good to not only rotate Batts ( meaning use more then one and more like 3-4 ) in rotation, this will also give the Batts a rest, they should not get charged, get put right into the pv then drained and go right back onto the charger then back into your PV, they should get a rest after they are drained -and after they are charged,, then sit,, then used,,, this is a better way to use them instead of constant use of in the pv right on the charger then right back into the PV,,, this also will help your cycle count as well as not fully draining.

 

[Creniker]

I usually like the black label AW batteries, but I was never blown away by The AW IMR batteries. These panasonics are amazing though. I am truly impressed with the performance of these batteries. I will be getting more for sure. Not only do they last longer then the AW IMRs, they have less voltage drop (this is based on my vaping experience thus far, no official test have been done by me as of yet.). Very happy with them.

 

[ufo]

The Panasonics with the ...CH at the end (stay away from the ...CG) are indeed good safe chemistry batteries, suitable for vaping. We are currently testing a range of IMR and NMC cells in the German community: You can find the testing here: RE: SabbelMR's IMR Akku-Probierrunde - 42 .

The important thing is that there ARE indeed alternatives to the AW brand, especially in the 18650 size: Panasonic CGR18650CH, BAK B18650CC, Sony US18650V3.

When reading the diagram (The second one titled "Messungen auf Hyperion..." is our result diagram) please refer to the violet part of the bars. That's the capacity at 5 Ampere result.

A question please: why, in that diagram, the capacity in mAh does not exceed the value of 900? What does it mean that none of the 18650 tested, exceeds, during the use we make of them, the 900 mAh?

I tried to read all the 3D to understand , but unfortunately my german is terrible

 

[ChrisEU]

That's because of the selected cut-off voltage of 3,6 unloaded and 3,2 loaded that we determined to be the minimum usable voltage for vaping.
3,2V under load is the cut of used by The Kick, for an example, and the Lavatube.

There is much more to a battery than just the chemistry and the mAh rating. Output stability for an example. We REOnauts "feel" that a given battery is better than another because our AW IMRs deliver 3,9V when they are loaded to 4,2V. Cheap ICRs may only be able to give you 3,7V. Those 0,2V is the difference you "feel". Devices like "The Kick" or a Provari or Lavatube keep the output stable, so 4,2V in a mechanical PV feels "less" than 4,2V in a regulated PV.

 

[Strontium]

I usually like the black label AW batteries, but I was never blown away by The AW IMR batteries. These panasonics are amazing though. I am truly impressed with the performance of these batteries. I will be getting more for sure. Not only do they last longer then the AW IMRs, they have less voltage drop (this is based on my vaping experience thus far, no official test have been done by me as of yet.). Very happy with them.

Do not forget CGRs Pansonics are going to provide even more "juice" after 6-7 cycles.

 

[pianoguy]

I had thought of ordering some of these, but the thought occurred to me that if it was a magnet (esp one of those rare earth magnets like Robert uses for Grand doors), when you fired it off, wouldn't it just hold the button down once the magnet made contact with the firing pin?

A very real fear I have is that this would happen and the Reo would continuously fire (and maybe even without the knowledge of the user), either burning out the battery, frying the atty, or worse.

The firing pin is non-magnetic (maybe stainless?)

*** correction *** - the magnet does seem to stick to the firing pin when nothing else is present, but it sticks much harder to the battery

 

[Creniker]

Do not forget CGRs Pansonics are going to provide even more "juice" after 6-7 cycles.

I actually was aware of this fact and I am looking forward to them reaching there full capacity. Thank you though for letting me, plus others will benefit from knowing that batteries don't reach there full capacity until they have undergone a couple charge cycles. I've only recharged them a couple of times and they already are comparable to my AW 3100 black label batteries, at a fraction of the cost.

 

[ufo]

That's because of the selected cut-off voltage of 3,6 unloaded and 3,2 loaded that we determined to be the minimum usable voltage for vaping.
3,2V under load is the cut of used by The Kick, for an example, and the Lavatube.

There is much more to a battery than just the chemistry and the mAh rating. Output stability for an example. We REOnauts "feel" that a given battery is better than another because our AW IMRs deliver 3,9V when they are loaded to 4,2V. Cheap ICRs may only be able to give you 3,7V. Those 0,2V is the difference you "feel". Devices like "The Kick" or a Provari or Lavatube keep the output stable, so 4,2V in a mechanical PV feels "less" than 4,2V in a regulated PV.

Ok I imagined it, but I wanted to be sure. thanks

 

[muriarte]

There you have a spring compression pic... I tested my new Reo with a regular trustfire and the spring was really compressed, almost fully. With the panasonic, the spring has a lot of room.

 

[Justice]

Thanks muriarte from the pic it does look a little longer than the aw but it is hard to see for sure in a pic. Other than that looks ok I think.

 

[muriarte]

Thanks muriarte from the pic it does look a little longer than the aw but it is hard to see for sure in a pic. Other than that looks ok I think.

If someone could measure an aw, we could compare them, my panasonics measure 2.565" and 2.566".

 

[Strontium]

To understand how measurements work, everybody should know this:

What is 18650 anyway?

18 = 18 mm (diameter)
65 = 65 mm (length)
0 = cylindrical batt.

That is a standard for every 18650 manufacturer.

AW cannot be shorter than original Panasonic cell. Reason: AW is using regular 18650 cells (AW doesn't manufacture any 18650 cells), > then, AW sends them to Chinese manufacturer to weld button top add-on, and add PVC sleeve. Button top will make cell only longer than 65mm, not shorter.

I understand that folks in USA will have to convert millimeters in inches, but that is how standards have been set.

I hope this info helps.

 

[Decidion]

My AW IMRs measure 2.5" long, which is 63.5mm. Then add 1.5mm for the positive nipple that sticks out, and you arrive at the 65mm spec that Strontium points out.

Honestly, I'm not sure what the worry is. We've already established that they are so close in length that there is very little functional difference and that performance is at least as good as the AW's. So just go out and buy some of these

 

[muriarte]

Just in case someone is wondering, I measured the panasonics with the nipple... The measurement of 2.565" and 2.566" is the total lenght.

 

[TennDave]

I did some searching and figured it out- just bought 2 of those panasonic 18650 batteries from SmartVapes Electronic Cigarettes and Ejuice (they are back in stock!!!) Couldn't find a coupon code but still w/o ordering from China, I got 2 of them for under $20 including first class shipping!! Woot! Woot!!

After I checked-out, I got a redemption code by email...you can try this, might work for you for a discount: newguy

 

[Strontium]

Why would you order from China?

from $8.99 shipped > US stores

IMR Hybrid Panasonic 18650 Li-Mn-Li-ion CGR18650CH High Drain 10A Rechargeable IMR Battery Cell


Callies Kustoms 3100mAh 18650 Panasonic Batteries

 

[TennDave]

Why would you order from China?

from $8.99 shipped > US stores

IMR Hybrid Panasonic 18650 Li-Mn-Li-ion CGR18650CH High Drain 10A Rechargeable IMR Battery Cell


Callies Kustoms 3100mAh 18650 Panasonic Batteries

Yeah, I was in that "check-out" too...I believe that was the one...although they have a U.S. store-front, I noticed that when I looked at their "about" or information page, it said China...I might be mistaken. Just thought that even though I might be saving some bucks, I didn't want to wait 2 weeks for batteries.

Oops...I was wrong...there were a few vendors selling these batteries and I WAS definitely on a site where shipping was from China... It looks like you are right though- this place would have been cheaper (and possibly even with the redemption code from where I bought from)....anyway, to late now- I've already ordered but no biggie. I would suggest checking both places out, and with the redemption code and see which one is indeed less expensive. First class shipping is available from both (and where I ordered from was not expensive for shipping) with free shipping from the vendor you mention.

 

[Decidion]

Why would you order from China?

...still w/o ordering from China...

I don't think he ordered from China