The social network thing is really odd to me still. It's like my boxers going off every time I'm near another dude wearing the same brand. You know it will make batter life that much worse.
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I am still waiting on my car to start vibrating every time I get close to someone that drives the same make. If my boxers started doing that I just might like this social networking thing. 
But seriously, do we really need this much connection in our lives? I can't even use the restroom any longer without turning on the do not disturb feature of my phone. When I was younger, time in the restroom was private time.
But seriously, do we really need this much connection in our lives? I can't even use the restroom any longer without turning on the do not disturb feature of my phone. When I was younger, time in the restroom was private time.
Yes the wifi thing is totally creepy, I would hope they have a selection on the box to turn it off. Kinda big brotherish.
I am still waiting on my car to start vibrating every time I get close to someone that drives the same make. If my boxers started doing that I just might like this social networking thing.
But seriously, do we really need this much connection in our lives? I can't even use the restroom any longer without turning on the do not disturb feature of my phone. When I was younger, time in the restroom was private time.
Almost. You have seen that the new Cadillac has a feature that the seat vibrates when it senses a potential dangerous situation on either side of the car?
Here's a peek into the future - you'll get a kick or freak out about this - notice the first scene and about 2.5 minutes in, especially. LOL!
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I'm just sitting on the sidelines with a giant stockpile of juice and carts seeing how this whole thing plays out.
Big tobacco= big money, R&D, studies, lobbying, maybe better QC, and more vapers
Big tobacco also = pure evil and dastardly deeds that have killed more people than all of the wars combined. Them being involved can make vaping look bad, and I do worry about that.
Big tobacco= big money, R&D, studies, lobbying, maybe better QC, and more vapers
Big tobacco also = pure evil and dastardly deeds that have killed more people than all of the wars combined. Them being involved can make vaping look bad, and I do worry about that.
I still find the whole concept funny. Ok, so picture you're walking down the street and your pack goes off. What the heck do you do then?
"HEEYYYY!! BLU! WHO IS IT?!?!? IS IT YOU?! NO, OK SORRY! COME ON ANSWER ME DARN YOU! I KNOW you're out there!!! My pack just went off!!"
"HEEYYYY!! BLU! WHO IS IT?!?!? IS IT YOU?! NO, OK SORRY! COME ON ANSWER ME DARN YOU! I KNOW you're out there!!! My pack just went off!!"
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I appreciate the Anti Blu Brigade argument. I have one question, when Exactly did Big Tobacco come up to you and Demand you smoke?
As far as I'm concerned, I took up Smoking all on my own, it was my decision to do so, I persevered at it, irrespective of how ill it made me and ignored Pleas to Stop it. Stupid, yes! Regret, yes it! Own It? Absolutely!!
With regard to Additives in Tobacco surely the Buck Stops with the FDA and Governing Health Bodies. It seems they are the ones adamant that vaping be banned due to Additives and their Sudden Concern for the Health and Safety of the Consumer, yet continue to Allow BT and BP to carry on doing /using whatever they choose regardless.
Seems a few are suffering a case of 'Ye old Double Standard'
'Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi'
As far as I'm concerned, I took up Smoking all on my own, it was my decision to do so, I persevered at it, irrespective of how ill it made me and ignored Pleas to Stop it. Stupid, yes! Regret, yes it! Own It? Absolutely!!
With regard to Additives in Tobacco surely the Buck Stops with the FDA and Governing Health Bodies. It seems they are the ones adamant that vaping be banned due to Additives and their Sudden Concern for the Health and Safety of the Consumer, yet continue to Allow BT and BP to carry on doing /using whatever they choose regardless.
Seems a few are suffering a case of 'Ye old Double Standard'
'Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi'
I understand what you are saying regarding blaming big tobacco when we made the decision to smoke, Meli. I agree with you there. Addicts always like to blame everyone else and play the victim. And, addicts we are.
But, we cannot lay blame on the FDA or other governing health bodies. They had no jurisdiction over the tobacco industry. It has been real recent that the Tobacco companies have been under the oversight of FDA. 2009 was when the act was signed into law and then it was under lawsuit for a year after that. FDA has been trying to do some things since 1996 but the courts ruled against them. Tobacco is big business - bigger than anyone can imagine and a lot was at stake not only for the big tobacco companies, workers, farms, and the states that depend on tobacco revenue. It's one of the worlds largest industries and the most traded item in the world. So, all those entities were fighting regulation. I can't really blame them, it's what people do when they are afraid their livelihoods are going to be ripped right out from under them. It is a big part of the economy on multiple levels. Anyway, now there are regulations put into place and as with all regulations, they don't just happen overnight. The tobacco companies have certain time frames that they have had to begin complying with new regulations and they all have some requirements for harm reduction products. Hence the purchase of Blu by Lorillard is part of theirs, while Reynolds and Morris have their own strategies unfolding to meet those requirements.
But, we cannot lay blame on the FDA or other governing health bodies. They had no jurisdiction over the tobacco industry. It has been real recent that the Tobacco companies have been under the oversight of FDA. 2009 was when the act was signed into law and then it was under lawsuit for a year after that. FDA has been trying to do some things since 1996 but the courts ruled against them. Tobacco is big business - bigger than anyone can imagine and a lot was at stake not only for the big tobacco companies, workers, farms, and the states that depend on tobacco revenue. It's one of the worlds largest industries and the most traded item in the world. So, all those entities were fighting regulation. I can't really blame them, it's what people do when they are afraid their livelihoods are going to be ripped right out from under them. It is a big part of the economy on multiple levels. Anyway, now there are regulations put into place and as with all regulations, they don't just happen overnight. The tobacco companies have certain time frames that they have had to begin complying with new regulations and they all have some requirements for harm reduction products. Hence the purchase of Blu by Lorillard is part of theirs, while Reynolds and Morris have their own strategies unfolding to meet those requirements.
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Blu uses Johnson's Creek e-liquid and I highly doubt Johnson's Creek would want Blu to soil their name by adding more addictive substances and chemicals to their juice. I'd think a big tobacco corp would make their own juices with WTA in em.
I agree to a point. Yes I started smoking at 16, long before it was shown how bad it was. The tobacco industry made certain it would be hard for me to quit. For me, it is not just the nic that is addicting, something else in there is feeding an addiction. I did clarify FOR ME. As we all know, not everybody gets addicted to the same things.
Another thing to think about, if big tobacco gets into the e-cig game, don't you think government will surely want to start taxing up the ying yang? You bet.
@Buggs Agreed.
However, the idea some members have that BT will/should just go away/ leave vaping alone is nonsensical. At least with all the past mistakes BT have made one would hope they will have learnt a lesson or two. One would also hope that with BT onside adding 'clout' to get things moving forward, both with research and development the FDA won't have 'much' of a leg to stand on in the foreseeable future.
The fact Blu bought into Johnson's Creek whom I understood to be a reputable brand, was not a bad move on their part, although one can't ever accuse tobacco companies of being ethical, in this instance aren't Blu trying?
Obviously, they need to start somewhere, the device maybe inferior but that doesn't suggest they're sitting on their laurels not developing or testing new products.
Biggest loser is without a doubt Big Pharma. Vaping in the mainstream negates the requirement for nicotine cessation products. Being a huge industry pulling in Billions just on these products alone, makes my blood run cold to the lengths they'll take to stamp out Vaping.
As for government taxes, inevitable. No IF's rather When and How Much. I remember having a similar debate when I first joined ECF and someone quoted the 'here and now' as the Golden Age of Vaping. No truer statement has been uttered. Enjoy it! It's never going to be as cheap as it is now.
Finally the Blu Pack, it's excellent Marketing, the wifi aspect is no different to a mobile phone, only your Blu pack probably won't get hacked and divulge important personal information, pin codes, cc info you may have stored on it.
If the Blu pack only offers Social Networking for vapers then The Blu Pack in this instance is your friend.
For those who may believe otherwise, I'd like to add I do not work for Blu, I am not Paid by Blu, I am not Pro Blu, I'm not Anti Blu, I have never bought or used a Blu products, I am not affiliated to Blu nor are any of my family members, I simply believe in having a balanced debate.
However, the idea some members have that BT will/should just go away/ leave vaping alone is nonsensical. At least with all the past mistakes BT have made one would hope they will have learnt a lesson or two. One would also hope that with BT onside adding 'clout' to get things moving forward, both with research and development the FDA won't have 'much' of a leg to stand on in the foreseeable future.
The fact Blu bought into Johnson's Creek whom I understood to be a reputable brand, was not a bad move on their part, although one can't ever accuse tobacco companies of being ethical, in this instance aren't Blu trying?
Obviously, they need to start somewhere, the device maybe inferior but that doesn't suggest they're sitting on their laurels not developing or testing new products.
Biggest loser is without a doubt Big Pharma. Vaping in the mainstream negates the requirement for nicotine cessation products. Being a huge industry pulling in Billions just on these products alone, makes my blood run cold to the lengths they'll take to stamp out Vaping.
As for government taxes, inevitable. No IF's rather When and How Much. I remember having a similar debate when I first joined ECF and someone quoted the 'here and now' as the Golden Age of Vaping. No truer statement has been uttered. Enjoy it! It's never going to be as cheap as it is now.
Finally the Blu Pack, it's excellent Marketing, the wifi aspect is no different to a mobile phone, only your Blu pack probably won't get hacked and divulge important personal information, pin codes, cc info you may have stored on it.
If the Blu pack only offers Social Networking for vapers then The Blu Pack in this instance is your friend.
For those who may believe otherwise, I'd like to add I do not work for Blu, I am not Paid by Blu, I am not Pro Blu, I'm not Anti Blu, I have never bought or used a Blu products, I am not affiliated to Blu nor are any of my family members, I simply believe in having a balanced debate.
^This^
I started at 15 and it's been a solid 30 yrs galloping hard with the Marlboro Man.
When I quit for a year going down the gum/lozenge trail, I always felt something
else was missing and couldn't for the life of me put my finger on it.
Since I signed up at ECF I learned all about WTAs and ammonia mixed with nic
for that crawling the walls, fiend effect.
It's the awful truth of how evil big tobacco are. Now they have their talons in
the E-Cig biz. Who knows what they'll put in the juice.
Boycott 'em.
I'm tempted to pick up a pack of Blu's in the cool case just to see how many awesome mods start hurling my way. Maybe I'll finally get a chance to see a GG in person!
but....
How many GG-ers will be packing a pack of Blu's just so they can hurl their cool toys at us Blu's boys and gals?
..
Let's get the word out!! If everybody buys a pack... it'll be like VaperCon coming to us no matter where we are.
....
But, how do we keep the Blu users at bay? ...
tomatoes!!!
I have lots and lots of homegrown tomatoes kekekeke
but....
How many GG-ers will be packing a pack of Blu's just so they can hurl their cool toys at us Blu's boys and gals?
..
Let's get the word out!! If everybody buys a pack... it'll be like VaperCon coming to us no matter where we are.
....
But, how do we keep the Blu users at bay? ...
tomatoes!!!
I have lots and lots of homegrown tomatoes kekekeke
I don't follow. Once it is mainstream, you don't need the social. You don't like twitter and FB, ignore it. Don't like the PCC, don't use it. It is gimmicky, but sometimes that is what sells.
My only concern with big tobacco is that they may push for regulations that monopolize the market in their hands, or othewise elbow out the little guys and the innovations, and force a standardized one size fits all product on us all.
I just saw it for the first time... good ad... but couldn't help thinking its part of what brought on the heat from the FDA. Can't advertise smokes or any other tobacco on TV. Bet it ticked them off seeing Blu's ad.
They also vibrate the same way when you walk past a vendor who sells Blu stuff.
I think the FDA has had an issue with e-cigs from the get go, they came up against NJoy, Smoking Everywhere, The Electronic Cigarette Association and CASAA. The ensuing court case where their statements were refuted by Exponent Inc and they emerged as sore losers. I doubt they would have backed off whether Lorillard bought Blu or not.
If they were to have grudge match with anyone, it would be with NJoy. Imagine them frothing at the mouth watching an NJoy commercial during the Super Bowl.
I hope this time I managed to include Everyone involved at the time
If they were to have grudge match with anyone, it would be with NJoy. Imagine them frothing at the mouth watching an NJoy commercial during the Super Bowl.
I hope this time I managed to include Everyone involved at the time
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