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Jackal3

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Wow thought i was a heavy vaper I am closer to 4ml using the leo. My leo is only a week old and last nite mine lasted 15 hours and still was not dead before I laid him down and put on charger. Will he blink at me like ego does or just stop vaping? If you told me battery would last 15 hours I would think your insane but it does for me....lol

I've had my 800mAh Leo last 9 hours, and then the very next day it lasted me 15 (though I was busier at work and picked it up less). I too am a pretty heavy vaper. Now my Leos last about 12-15 hours. I'm thinking like any battery now a day when you use it dry, it learns to hold a longer charge. When you use it but don't use it all and still put it on the charger, it gets lazy. Like a laptop battery, if you don't use that battery to its full capacity now and then, it starts to hold less and less charge. I'm a network admin (well, I am the entire IT department) for a small company, and I tell all my users to use their laptop batteries once or twice a week until the laptop is screaming at them to plug it in for recharge. That keeps that battery stretched and holding more juice. Otherwise it gets "lazy" and slowly diminishes its capacity.
 

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NO NO NO NO NO NO

I am serious Jackal3,

I like to hear advice from people who know what they are talking about,
you are one of those peeps,
I appreciate it and so do others here,

NO SARCASM AT ALL

I like to have you all come in and help us with tips and advice,

you seem to know what you are talking about with the Leo and with batteries,
I also appreciate very much the advice and tips from ScottBee too he is smart in these techie things too.
 

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Um, actually that depends.. It depends on the type of battery, the actual materials used inside. For nickel- or lead-based batteries priming and full-cycle discharge before charge is advised (especially for nickel rechargeables). These do have a "memory", though technology has improved over the years.

Lithium ion based batteries, however, don't usually require priming and don't particularly "like" being drained. It has to do with operating voltage -- as a battery discharges power its voltage lowers (the difference in potencial between poles diminuishes, it's losing charge after all). Now, as we approach the lower part of its operating interval we get closer to the point where the Li-ion crystals become less stable. Protected batteries contain a protection mechanism (via an integrated PCB for example) and simply refuse to operate below a certain voltage to prevent overdischarge (at which point real harm could occur).

Let me quote you the following from the Li-ion section of batteryuniversity.com:
Battery experts agree that charging lithium-ion batteries is simpler and more straightforward than the nickel-based cousins. Besides meeting the tight voltage tolerances, the charge circuit can be designed with fewer variables to consider. Full-charge detection by applying voltage limits and observing the current saturations on full charge is simpler than analyzing many complex signatures, which nickel-metal-hydride produces. Charge currents are less critical and can vary. A low current still permits proper full charge detection. The battery simply takes longer to charge. The absence of topping and trickle charge also help in simplifying the charger. Best of all, there is no memory but aging issues are the drawback.

Preparing new lithium-ion for use

Unlike nickel and lead-based batteries, a new lithium-ion pack does not need cycling through charging and discharging. Priming will make little difference because the maximum capacity of lithium-ion is available right from the beginning. Neither does a full discharge improve the capacity of a faded pack. However, a full discharge/charge will reset the digital circuit of a 'smart' battery to improve the state-of-charge estimation

Most important part of that page:
Manufacturers of lithium-ion cells have very strict guidelines in charge procedures and the pack should be charged as per the manufacturers "typical" charge technique.

Especially true with Li-ion packs, but applicable to all batteries. Take the time to read how the manufacturer says the battery should be used and charged and try to follow it as often as you can.
 

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My one week old leo battery has from day one has lasted over 15 hours and has never went dead before I would put him on charger for the night. My newest leo battery only lasts for about 8 hours...then it flashes the light and needs to be recharged. My thoughts is 8 hours is about where it should be ...but why the other lasts and lasts...I have no idea (same size batteries)
 

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typically a battery should hold its full charge for quite a long time. Weeks, maybe more. However certain factors will determine a battery's holding ability: How many times it's been charged/drained/charged (cycled): The storage temperatures; slow failures. You know how they say "put your C and D and 9volt batteries in the freezer to keep them fresh" ? This is a common myth. The extreme temperatures actually will cause them to discharge while inactive over time. Does your car battery ever get drained in the winter over really cold nights? Batteries should be stored at manufacturer specific temperature ranges.

(BTW: I have a friend that works for EverReady Battery Company)

When I first get my Leo battery I charge it up for probably 20 minutes until fully charged and the light goes off. It's lost that much charge sitting on a shelf, being shipped, etc. Most all my Leo batteries last about 9 hours the first day, give or take. I use them until they are fully drained blinking to be charged. I put them on the charger over night and take them off in the morning. Each day I use them they seem to last more and more. As of now I have one black Leo that lasts me about 17 hours (today from 6am til 11:30pm). This battery is about a month old. I alternate between it and my pass through so it gets used about every other day. It has a 3.0 Ohm Leo atty on it.
My pass through Leo is about a month old also, and lasts me about 12-14 hours. It has a 3.0 Ohm atty.
I have my original red Leo that has an black atty I bought from Litecigusa, that seems to burn really hot. I'd swear it is an LR (I still have to test it). That battery lasts me about 9 hours. It is my first Leo battery that I received early October and only a week ago put the black atty on it. The original gold atty for that Leo was a cooler vape and the battery lasted me about 14 or more hours then, but I lost that gold atty. It's probably somewhere in the house here. (I have e-cig parts on every floor).

So I'm thinking the Leo batteries probably have a bell curve of performance. The beginning peak at 2-4 weeks lasting upwards of 15+ hours. I've not seen the end of a peak yet, and one of my Leos is 2-3 months old.

My wife is using it now and it's lasted her up to 2 days! But, she vapes much less than I. I just bought her a second red Leo to use while the first is charging. I'll keep an eye on it but it's hard to tell with her how long a battery lasts. She can make a 380mAh KR808D-1 battery last for 2 days.

My wife had one atty break on her. She must have dropped it. It broke off at the threads. I know she left it at the theater she works one night. Found it the next day when she returned. Anyone could have messed with it, dropped it, whatever. It was that night she came home and noticed the atty was broke.

I lost one atty somewhere in the house, broke one atty at the threads. I've dropped mine many times on concrete, gravel, tile floors, etc. One has a slight nick in the paint. The rest are unmarred.
 

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Cycling your rechargeable batteries...that goes for any rechargeables (ie cell, lappy)...I always let it drain all the way before recharging...

Think of them like having a tiny memory :)

Simply put, this is not applicable to Li-ion batts. They actually prefer NOT to be drained all the way before charging and charging them at different depletion leveles over time is actually much better for them.

How to prolong lithium-based batteries
 
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