New Gen E-Cigs?

[sixstring]

I am totally in agreement. I tried this because I thought it would be a good way to stop myself from smoking. I have become quite despondent about the whole thing very quickly.
Not only is the technology unreliable, but the majority of retailers dont give a rats .... what their customers are going through.
There are other forms of inhalents. maybe we need to get over the 'smog' factor. just because it makes 'smog' doesnt mean we are getting a good hit. Its just a thought but has anyone thought about the inhalents that we get when we have a cold? I'm not suggesting that we shove an ecig up our nose but couldnt that sort of thing be modified for nicotine inhalation?
Anyway, Im not a chemist or an inventor but it seems that nobody is really trying to improve it because they are getting their profits (which in some cases are rediculously high) and dont think in a proactive manner

Ok. So some forward thinking folks decided to try and make a decent profit% by taking a risk and ordering thousands of dollars of kits from China, and re-selling them. How is this any different from Wal-mart?

We're not killing ourselves (at least not as quickly as with the real things), and suppliers, at least not Cash, are not nearly as insensitive to our needs as you may think.

It's all about balance... I'm just sayin'

 

[CaSHMeRe]

Anyway, Im not a chemist or an inventor but it seems that nobody is really trying to improve it because they are getting their profits (which in some cases are rediculously high) and dont think in a proactive manner

Hey Kathy,

I certainly appreciate the thought behind your post, however, you have to remember, ECigs in general aren't that old. Yes, technology is still new, my own atomizers are now on generation 5, so yes, there are advancements taking place, that most users may just not see or be aware of. The only life altering/ecig altering advance we have seen yet is Trog's SD, and that in and of itself is still new, and doesn't require any new atomizer type equipment. But it does solve a major, major issue, and that's battery life.

If ecigs had been around for 5-7 years and we were still stuck in a rut and saw no advancements for years, that ones thing, but being the BETA testers we are (in ecigs infant history), expect to have lots of equipment issues, user errors, DIY upgrades, etc...

Expect some very very large improvements over the next 6-12 months. Both from manufacturers, and suppliers taking things in to their own hands.

 

[Alper]

Hey Kathy,

I certainly appreciate the thought behind your post, however, you have to remember, ECigs in general aren't that old. Yes, technology is still new, my own atomizers are now on generation 5, so yes, there are advancements taking place, that most users may just not see or be aware of. The only life altering/ecig altering advance we have seen yet is Trog's SD, and that in and of itself is still new, and doesn't require any new atomizer type equipment. But it does solve a major, major issue, and that's battery life.

If ecigs had been around for 5-7 years and we were still stuck in a rut and saw no advancements for years, that ones thing, but being the BETA testers we are (in ecigs infant history), expect to have lots of equipment issues, user errors, DIY upgrades, etc...

Expect some very very large improvements over the next 6-12 months. Both from manufacturers, and suppliers taking things in to their own hands.

What im trying to say is im waiting for the ecig that works differently, like the hybrid car of ecigs. uses the same base structure but has a different way of doing things.

 

[TropicalBob]

I want to buy and use an e-cig. not adopt it.

Maybe today's models should come with a service schedule:

Dear TB, Your Janty is due for a 3,000-puff inspection/adjustment, and a change of liquid. Should you ignore required service, your warranty will be voided. Please schedule an appointment at your earliest convenience. The 3,000-puff service is $60.

 

[BrazilyanGuy]

I think in another way. Why don't they invent an e-cig with two athomizers, one after the other. Two carts inserted in it. I think it would be interesting.

 

[coinmaster]

Great topic Alper

I fully agree with you. Since I discovered e-cigarettes it's been such a rollercoaster it's not even funny. Bad atomizers, DOAs, atomizer wrecking liquid, overpriced beta products - bah! And what's the deal with atomizers turning into wimps - there's nothing much more torturous to a nicotine addict than giving him juuuuusssst a little bit with huge amounts of sucking effort.

I think what we all need is consistency and reliability. If it takes a major technological paradigm shift in order to achieve that, then I for one can't wait.

Problem is, I've spent so much $$ on this hobby/habit so far, purchasing items on both ends of the price scale, that anything new will surely be completely out of my reach

 

[Dr. Russell Fell]

I usually try and relate ecigs to pipe smoking to people, which I used to do a lot. And I also did the roll ups as well. But, Cash is right, there will be some major changes going on in the coming months - in fact, there already have been some - but most of these changes we will not see. Granted, these changes are minor and are basically tweaking the same set up, but there are still some advancements going on. Most of it is simply unnoticeable; things like some improvements in the atomizer, battery life, cartridges, etc, involving better materials and methods. Soon, though, I think there will be even more changes and will slowly but surely move towards what you are talking about.

 

[Kimmiegrif]

BGuy, do you mean like a semi automatic? Yeah! semi automatic ecig...has a revolving cart and atomizer....

 

[Kimmiegrif]

OMG...I just thought of an idea...take the multiple atomizer/cart and a battery. the atomizers/cart can be just clicked into place so each atomizer has a dedicated flavor? Like a revolver....

 

[jigtg]

I think in another way. Why don't they invent an e-cig with two athomizers, one after the other. Two carts inserted in it. I think it would be interesting.

Think they already tried that with razors. In the year 2525... we have e-cigs with 5 atomizers.

 

[edisme518123]

I'd like to see an e-cig, a bit wider in diameter than a 901, but not much longer... sort of the size of a cigarillo (M-401?) that utilizes a more powerful battery with some sort of circuitry that regulates power to allow for constant draw during battery drain.

I personally like the vapor as that's a big part of the enjoyment for me. I like to play with the vapor and seeing the vapor is like a confirmation to me that everything is working properly. I also don't mind tinkering and playing with an e-cig. I'd like to see a more durable atomizer with a longer lifespan. This is possibly achievable by increasing the size of the atomizer and thereby increasing the size of all of the internal components.

I've been drip smoking solely for a few weeks now and I'm confident now that this is the most convenient method of e-smoking available to us at the moment. It's easy, there's no waste, and there's portion control. No more burnt fibers, fiddly carts, wasted liquid, burnt taste, or mess for me.

 

[trog100]

I know the batteries are still an issue but thats just a waiting game.

and thats where all the dreams go wrong.. it will be a bloody long wait..

i gave up playing with e smoking long ago.. its an addiction i need to satisfy with as little trouble and expense as possible.. in my own way i have done this..

say no more..

trog

 

[TropicalBob]

And you did good, Trog. You really did.

Eventually, I will put my money where my beliefs lie, and buy a disposable so I at least have reliability and a no-mess setup. Janty has said a disposable is coming to their lineup. I hope I last that long.

 

[lucisac]

Great topic Alper

I fully agree with you. Since I discovered e-cigarettes it's been such a rollercoaster it's not even funny. Bad atomizers, DOAs, atomizer wrecking liquid, overpriced beta products - bah! And what's the deal with atomizers turning into wimps - there's nothing much more torturous to a nicotine addict than giving him juuuuusssst a little bit with huge amounts of sucking effort.

I think what we all need is consistency and reliability. If it takes a major technological paradigm shift in order to achieve that, then I for one can't wait.

Problem is, I've spent so much $$ on this hobby/habit so far, purchasing items on both ends of the price scale, that anything new will surely be completely out of my reach

I agree, if one purchases all the wrong e-cigs you can clock up quite a high dollar out of pocket, with nothing sufficient. Time to take things to the next level.

 

[Alper]

and thats where all the dreams go wrong.. it will be a bloody long wait..

i gave up playing with e smoking long ago.. its an addiction i need to satisfy with as little trouble and expense as possible.. in my own way i have done this..

say no more..

trog

as bob said mate, you did very well!

Im talking from a different point of view though, i love tinkering and pulling apart finished disposable cigars, but the average joe wont. Alot of the market is people that wanna keep smoking without harming themselves as much, but they want it to be seamless.

I don't mind personally, but it would be pretty cool to just screw your battery on and go!

 

[lucisac]

the current technology is fine if the costs of atomizer carts werent so much.

The loongtetem V9 is a shocking ecig but the idea is what needs to be implemented (properly).

The V9 was easy, i had no care in the world with that thing, were as with the 901, the thought is always with you, whens my atomizer going to kick it?

maybe this method can be the the 1.5v before v2 comes out?

Shipping is what kills me! Although Puresmoker have FAST shipping at great cost, others...cost way above what you would expect, which makes me pull back from ordering so often. They know who they are.

 

[trog100]

as bob said mate, you did very well!

Im talking from a different point of view though, i love tinkering and pulling apart finished disposable cigars, but the average joe wont. Alot of the market is people that wanna keep smoking without harming themselves as much, but they want it to be seamless.

I don't mind personally, but it would be pretty cool to just screw your battery on and go!

the point i make is that battery technology is not going to improve by any significant amount any time soon.. fact.. people who assume it will simply because of a blind faith in technology are quite simply wrong..

i dont tinker i just screw my battery on and go... a battery powerful enough to power an e cig properly will never fit in a small cigarette sized tube.. at least not in the near future..

atomizers are cheap enough.. an e smoking device that works is here.. so whats the problem..

the problem is its not what people want.. people want small smoking tubes.. but the buttom line is.. what people want aint always what they are gonna get.. which is exactly what my mother used to tell me many years ago bless her.. he he

trog

 

[lucisac]

the point i make is that battery technology is not going to improve by any significant amount any time soon.. fact.. people who assume it will simply because of a blind faith in technology are quite simply wrong..

i dont tinker i just screw my battery on and go... a battery powerful enough to power an e cig properly will never fit in a small cigarette sized tube.. at least not in the near future..

atomizers are cheap enough.. an e smoking device that works is here.. so whats the problem..

the problem is its not what people want.. people want small smoking tubes.. but the buttom line is.. what people want aint always what they are gonna get.. which is exactly what my mother used to tell me many years ago bless her.. he he

trog

I am happy with the life of the batteries I use so far in most of the penstyles. Atomizers are cheap at some places, considerably more pricey at others.

How long would a non-rechargable Energizer Lithium last in a penstyle?

 

[monkeynutz]

I can't really comment on what sort of advancement has occurred since ecigs hit the market since I really only became aware of them a week or two ago (mall kiosk), but I think I can confidently say that it's still a niche market and as such relies on fairly small companies with limited resources to try to make advancements. I wonder what sort of products we might get if companies like Philip Morris took notice and preempted the inevitable ban of tobacco smoking in all public places in the USA by releasing their own e-cigs developed with considerable funding and built upon existing technology. I'd imagine it could become a bit more mainstream and the flavors might feel a little more 'right' (though Coke Zero really tastes nothing like Coca Cola no matter how often they say it does so maybe not). In any case, I think the push we really need and I hope comes is from is from the 'enemy' of sorts. They at least have the capital to make a standout product and have to realize that no matter how addictive nicotine is peole are quitting smoking everyday. Why not offer a healthy (or is it just healthier?) alternative? Anyway, I think it would be good for everyone if such companies got involved in this movement, but that's all I'll say about that and I apologize if it's been brought up before.

I myself am not an ecig smoker (yet). I've been sucking down a box of Malboros as I type and feverishly researching ecigs for the past couple of hours. I inteded to make a topic about this, but apparently I don't have thread creation priveledges yet, so since I had something to add here and I thought this the closest topic to what I had to ask I figured I'd try to shoehorn my question in here. If a moderator sees the need to create a separate topic for this and can, please feel free. As I said I'm not a esmoker yet since it's a fairly steep investment initially, anyway, and obviously every single brand claims to be the best. I've gone over tons of reviews but can't quite figure out what I should get. I can't decide if I want something flashy that's obviously not a cigarette (like some of the intricately painted ecigs in various colors) but looks nice, or something simple that could be mistaken for a cigarette if not for the fact that it doesn't burn away as you puff on it. I'm leaning more towards realism and as such the 'mini' or 'super mini' variety of ecigs, but I'm dreading investing in a product that doesn't work properlyand makes me rush to a gas station to pick up some authentic smokes. I have very little problem with buying extra atomizers and batteries (assuming I don't spend much more than I would to smoke cigarettes barring the initial investment) and plan on buying new cartridges rather than refilling them myself for simplicity. I think that's about it. I don't mind carrying extra batteries and such on me as I'm obviously used to carrying a whole pack or two of cigarettes and a lighter. I suppose I just want something that feels authentic, looks authentic, and requires only a reasonable amount of upkeep. Ok, I guess that's probably what everyone wants, lol, but any suggestions?

I don't intend to derail, in fact, rather than responding to the second part in this thread (if not moved by a moderator) perhaps a PM would be better to keep this thread on topic. Again I apologize, but as I said I was unable to make a new topic and I'd really like to start esmoking soon.

 

[trog100]

I am happy with the life of the batteries I use so far in most of the penstyles. Atomizers are cheap at some places, considerably more pricey at others.

How long would a non-rechargable Energizer Lithium last in a penstyle?

not long enough.. they are also only 1.5 volts.. i would guess that if the coil was wound to run off 1.5 volts.. about one hour real run time then the battery would be flat..

the way it works.. pen style 4 volts.. coil draw 1 amp at 4 volts..

energizer at 1. 5 volts coil would need to draw 2.5 amps.. too much for it.. it might with luck manage a days smoking.. but its not really a feasible option.. the current draw would be too high..

trog