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Retail Nerves

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Hi everyone!
As the name implies, I'm a commission-only sales associate who has been 18 years in the highly competitive, nerve-shredding world of retail appliance sales.

After two and a half years of smoking (a by-product of layer upon layer of increasing stress and economic turmoil), I'd decided that enough was enough after the news about the new and deadlier additives now being put in our cigs to promote fire safety.

I did a little research to determine the best, most economical alternative in the E-Cig world and ended up ordering a Blu-Cig starter kit, and a carton of "full flavor" cartridges in Magnificent Menthol.

It all seemed great in theory with the charging pack, full-flavor nicotine option, cool blue light, and groovy sounding flavors.

They arrived December 31st.

Let me give you a slight background on my personality. As a non-smoker, I tend to be irritable, fatalistic, pessimistic, and easily depressed. I become easily angered, defeats, even minor, are crushing, and my mind tends to fog over and bog down. A true candidate for anti-depressants if ever there was one (tried effexor once with horrifying results! Never again!) Smoke-free, I squeak or croak a greeting to a customer, fearing rejection, but with nicotine, I approach them with a confident walk, a wide grin, and a throaty "Howdy folks! How ya doin'!", knowing, KNOWING that I'm going to close this deal. And I generally do close it with that attitude.

Smoking seems to be the thing that evens me out, eliminating all that emotional baggage and giving me focus, enthusiasm, drive, and an overall feeling of normalcy. I didn't smoke a whole lot, only about 2 and a half packs of True Menthol 100s a week, but what I DID smoke did the trick.

But for health considerations it had to stop. I saw my Grandfather die of cancer, and it was not easy seeing a robust man bristling with attitude whither away into a dessicated skeleton. (Plus the wife, who is all into that natural healing and raw foods stuff goes on and on about my smoking, lol.)

At first, the Blu-Cigs were interesting. I had the whole hand-to-mouth thing going, the hit to the back of the throat was there, and the satisfying puff of vapor to blow out was there too. The flavors tasted nice. And admittedly, it's cool to smoke INDOORS rather than freezing outside in these Michigan winters! However, something was missing. As the days progressed between then and now, a scant few weeks later, my personality had begun to unravel. I wasn't getting the relaxed, yet alert state that analogs always got me from the first puff. As time went on, my nerves began to fray, and no matter how much I chain-vaped these supposedly "full flavored" cartridges, I kept getting the feeling that I might as well be sucking steam from the kettle for all the good it was doing me. I felt like crap, like I was actually going into major quitting withdrawl, all my unattractive personality quirks resurfacing like zombies from the grave.

As a result, I recently started bumming analogs at work again just to function properly. My living depends on me being sharp, entertaining to my customers, alert, and upbeat. I've lost that since starting Blu-Cigs.

Now, I'm faced with a choice. Send these damn things back, or try doctoring the cartridges with higher strength aftermarket E-juices. The question is, will that help? Can an E-Cig ever have the same effect as a traditional smoke or is something lost in the translation? I sure don't wanna go back to analogs, even home-rolled, but at the same time quitting nicotine is NOT an option. It seems to have become intertwined with my making a living anymore.

Sorry about the highly verbose thread, but is anyone else having this problem transitioning from analog to vape? It has been a nightmare! 8-o
 

CaptJay

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vaping is NOT the same as smoking analogs because they don't contain the alkaloids that ciggies do - its the alkaloids that are anotehr suspected addiction - theres a long post down on hte health forum that goes into scientific detail most of which goes over my head, but it boils down what I just said lol.
What else don't you get with vaping? Well you don't get the social stigma and the bad smells. You don't get the carcinogens (we don't know if you don't get any at ALL, though research recently seems to suggest not, but we don't get the ones present in cigarettes for sure). You don't get to poison anyone else although you DO still get to annoy non smokers who haven't any real info about PVs except media scare stories :)
What else don't you get: Hmm..the taste of something dying in your mouth overnight and the accompanying breath result.
I don't have a Blu - I don't know much about that brand tbh - but I do know that the right juice (the little bottles you can buy from suppliers listed on forum front page index and other places too) makes the world of difference to the whole experience.
Higher nic levels MAY help you, better flavors may help you, a different device may help you; there's basically a lot you can try before throwing in the towel.
Good luck :thumb:
 

oldtechno

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Basically, no. I still feel the desire to light one up (especially my pipe)...but the intensity to get one is all most gone.

Rather than go back to .... logs I'm positive I'd go up to 36mg nicotine first--I'm down to 7mg right now.

Personalitly? Everybody withdraws from tobacco for at least two months (far as I know). I pretty much figure that's why a lot of us stay with e-cigs--it cushions the effects a lot.

Welcome Aboard!
 

Dudeman

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Welcome to ECF!!!

In 4 weeks of having my 510 I've found that the nic strenght of the liquid makes a HUGE difference for me. I started with 18-24mg juice (because most sites call that high strength) and found that I still felt like I needed an analog even chain vaping ALL day. I also had that nervous feeling in my stomache all the time. After trying some 36mg this week, I have found my "sweet spot". Now I can put my PV down for a while and not even think about it. Stick with it until you find your "sweet spot". A different PV might help as well.

Hope this helped>
 

Retail Nerves

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Well, that's reassuring at least.
I've been losing my mind here!
Two months! Wow. I guess I was foolish to think that I could just transition over with no ill effects...proof of my newbiness to the product lol! These "full flavor" cartridges are listed as 16 mg. I have no idea how that equates to what I've been smoking.
Are the E-juice vials expensive? What do these things typically run?
 

Skully7780

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Cigs contain MAOI, and my guess considering your background is that your probably -need- some of these. Your not going to have an easy time converting to e cigs. My suggestion would be to see your doc and get some meds along with the vaping experience.

My experience is much different. Over 3 days now with no withdrawals from cigs and 0 smoked.
 

dee5

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No Retail, the e-juice is not expensive and it lasts a pretty long time compared to cigarettes. There are tons of suppliers (I like DIYFlavorShack best) and most are withen a dollar or two of each other pricewise. Depending on how much you vape will determine how long a bottle lasts. I use 24-30 mg nic strength and probably vape about 1 ml per day. (Just guessing cos I've never really kept track) You should pay about $1 per ml. You should definatly get a higher nic strength juice than 16 mg. And learn about how to change out the filler material (cart mods section) so you can get better results from your Blu.
 
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Dudeman

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For bottles of liquid, look at the venders section of the forum. Prices vary depending on vender and size of the bottle. Pretty cheap in my opinion.

My transition from analogs took 8 days (how long my last pack of cigs lasted) and haven't looked back. It WAS a tough break until this week when I found that the higher mg nic was what I needed. 30 years of full strength analogs created a pretty high need for nic I guess.
 

CaptJay

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You might transition a lot more easily once you find the combination that works for you - like I said its trial and error finding hte right nic strength and flavors you enjoy. All the suppliers have links to their websites so you can go browse and read reviews in eliquid review forum (here on ECF). SOme will do sample sizes of 3ml, others won't. Some will do tobacco type flavors and others any flavor you can think of (inc roast chicken, Im looking at you TW!lol) Prices vary - you'd need to check each supplier as they can also change.
Theres lots to read here and lots to think about - the learning curve can be steep but getting there can be fun too :)
 

NightNurse

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Hello, fellow Michigander :) I agree w/the others here... maybe try a different PV and/or stronger juice.

I haven't heard too many good things about the Blu as compared to other PVs that are out there (and there are A LOT of them).

Good luck w/getting off the analogs - they are expensive, nasty, and soon to be banned almost everywhere in Michigan.

LP
 

Kobudo

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Thank you all for your kind support and advice! :)
I was initially feeling frustrated enough to toss these things out (hence, fatalistic and pessimistic, lol), but now I'm feeling more inspired to hang it out and try to modify the experience to better address the need.

Definitely, good luck man! I can sympathize with the inside selling -- I did that for a few years in College, in home electronics. Running a security department, bouncing, and private investigations is a lot more fun -- if a customer gets nasty with me, I have the option of getting nasty right back! :lol: But yeah, all jobs have their stresses.

As others have said, experiment with the juices out there, but keep the analogs handy til you find what you need to make you forget about them -- I have a handful of 18mg carts, and a bottle of 24mg juice in a flavor I like on the way. I'm going to adjust my strengths and play with flavors til I find what will work, but I'm down from a pack a day to about 2 or 3 cigs daily already.

Good luck and don't get discouraged!
 

NightNurse

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Welcome, Retail !
I think you've already been given some good advice here, so I just want to say that I hope you don't give up too soon...hang in there ! Skully's probably right: if you can, go see your doc for some meds to help with your nerves. There's a lot of them out there besides Effexor....good luck !

Wellbutrin is the best one to help w/quitting smoking. I wouldn't recommend Chantix to anyone - it has horrible side effects.
 

Retail Nerves

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Yeah, I'm already shopping juices as I write. I'm thinking of bumping it up to 24mg for starters. True Menthol cigs are every bit as strong as Newports, only not as harsh due to the craftily designed laser-cut filter with the imbedded plastic thingee. They're definitely enough to give you a head rush on the first hit. I'm thinking I should start with at least 24 and work my way up from there.
Strictly E Juice.com seems to have a pretty good deal on Menthol in a 30 ml size, which would be a months worth at a ml a day.
I really like the look and feel of the Blu, so I'll try working it with some juice and filler modifications and see what happens!
 

kalekona

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Wellbutrin is the best advice - I have taken it for years and when I first started I was down from a pack and a half a day to maybe 10 and I didn't even realize it was happening.
Should have been able to quit then but I couldn't and I chose not to.

But I haven't been edgy, or nasty and I haven't had an analog since Tuesday and I am pretty sure the combination of e-cigs and wellbutrin are equal partners in this.

I work retail as well so I get where you are coming from I really do.
 

Retail Nerves

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There certainly is a lot to choose from, and most options cost only as much a carton of 25 carts from blu. It actually makes much more sense to do it this way. So far Halo and American seem the most attractive, but this RockyMountainVapor sounds worth checking out, and shipping would prolly be real quick if its in MI. Thanks for the tip, Here's Johnny guy!
The trick now will be determining how much to add to the carts without making a mess or not adding enough!
 

bige1030

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Cigs contain MAOI, and my guess considering your background is that your probably -need- some of these. Your not going to have an easy time converting to e cigs. My suggestion would be to see your doc and get some meds along with the vaping experience.
You are right. However, MAOIs are dangerous in amounts that are pharmaceutically effective.

Most MAOIs (except perhaps low doses of Emsam (selegiline transdermal patch) and the reversible RIMAs) require a low-tyramine diet.

Also, MAOIs interact with many other drugs, including, but not limited to:

  • Any other antidepressant, including the herbals St. John's Wort and SAMe
  • Sympathomimetics - stimulating drugs like the decongestants pseudoephedrine and phenylephrine, certain drugs for ADHD (the amphetamines) like Ritalin and Adderall, weight loss drugs like phentermine and Meridia, local anesthetics like ....... and lidocaine, epinephrine, ephedrine, atomoxetine (Strattera)
  • Phenylpiperidine derivative opioids like Fentanyl, Demerol, Darvon, tramadol, and methadone
  • Robitussin (dextromethorphan)
  • The muscle relaxant cyclobenzaprine (Amrix, Flexaril)
  • The anticonvulsant carbamazepine (Tegretol)
  • The anxiolytic buspirone (BuSpar)
  • The antihistamines brompheniramine and chlorpheniramine (Contac)
  • The tryptans for migraines like Imitrex
  • Excessive use of caffeine
  • Antiparkinsonian drugs like levodopa and other MAOIs
  • Precursors of serotonin, norepinephrine, and dopamine, including 5-hydroxytryptophan
There has been mention of vaping herbal MAOIs like the beta-carbolines on a thread in the health part of the forum, but it might be a bad idea if you're on other drugs, unless the dose is like the dose of whatever MAOI is in cigarettes.
 
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