New IPV3. Needs New Batteries??

[wrice4]

Battery life. You wouldn't be able to fire 90W for very long on 1x 18650.

Added more to the previous post....Also, I meant, why didn't they just make the batteries in parallel instead of series. Is there any advantage of series vs parallel in this mod?

 

[nyiddle]

Added more to the previous post....Also, I meant, why didn't they just make the batteries in parallel instead of series. Is there any advantage of series vs parallel in this mod?

Parallel would not allow you to get any additional battery life.

Parallel means the voltage adds up. 2x 4.2v batteries will output 8.4v.

Also the IPV3 has buckdown/stepup (or is it buckup/stepdown idk). The chip uses the batteries more efficiently, adjusting voltage/wattage to the life of your batteries.

 

[wrice4]

Battery life. You wouldn't be able to fire 90W for very long on 1x 18650.



Dunno what you're talking about, for a China-made device, build quality on the IPV3 is astonishing.

I meant, a lot of people are complaining about the issues it has, batteries in series, charging not working, no touch sensor, cutting the warranty in half, etc...What I meant was, the IPV3 is a performance beast, like the IPV2.....so will people still buy the product because it performs very well, even though it has some flaws. I do agree that from a China-made device it is nice. I mean, you can't expect much quality control over there.

 

[nyiddle]

I meant, a lot of people are complaining about the issues it has, batteries in series, charging not working, no touch sensor, cutting the warranty in half, etc...What I meant was, the IPV3 is a performance beast, like the IPV2.....so will people still buy the product because it performs very well, even though it has some flaws. I do agree that from a China-made device it is nice. I mean, you can't expect much quality control over there.

Batteries being in series shouldn't be a big deal if you're doing it safely.

Charger just doesn't exist yet/wouldn't really be safe to use anyway. You should be rotating your batteries after every recharge.

The touch sensor was dangerous, and there wasn't much way of fixing it. I'm glad it's disabled.

My warranty is fine, because I paid full price for my IPV3.

 

[wrice4]

My warranty is fine, because I paid full price for my IPV3.

I meant some people are mad about the warranty. It was stated to have a 12 month warranty all along, but when the devices hit customers, it says it was only a 6 month.

 

[nyiddle]

I meant some people are mad about the warranty. It was stated to have a 12 month warranty all along, but when the devices hit customers, it says it was only a 6 month.

Oh, I didn't realize that.

I know some people weren't being offered warranty because they paid <$150.

 

[wrice4]

Oh, I didn't realize that.

I know some people weren't being offered warranty because they paid <$150.

I did not know about that.

 

[nyiddle]

I did not know about that.

Apparently P4U issued a pretty strict $150 MSRP, despite whatever deals the vendors were getting them for (presumably ~50-90$ per unit, depending on MOQ). If you paid somewhere less than $150, odds are P4U won't honor the warranty at all.

 

[wrice4]

Apparently P4U issued a pretty strict $150 MSRP, despite whatever deals the vendors were getting them for (presumably ~50-90$ per unit, depending on MOQ). If you paid somewhere less than $150, odds are P4U won't honor the warranty at all.

Weird. I haven't even seen a site that offered them as high as $150. Eciggity even offers them at $135 and they are the biggest supplier for P4U. When I talked with P4U via email, they told me that Eciggity is their main seller.

 

[nyiddle]

Weird. I haven't even seen a site that offered them as high as $150. Eciggity even offers them at $135 and they are the biggest supplier for P4U. When I talked with P4U via email, they told me that Eciggity is their main seller.

I think Eciggity might be kosher, but I know elev8pe or whatever got in a lot of trouble.

 

[The Cloud Minder]

I HATE the button on my IPV3, it's a real finger killer. feels more like poking my finger or thumb on a rounded rod than a button.

Until I figure out what to do about it, my IPV3 will get minimal use.

 

[The Cloud Minder]

Over time, the rate of voltage drop on a battery increases. A month of continually using/recharging a cell is more than enough time to make a difference. If you're using 2 batteries that are "married" in your IPV3, it's guaranteed that those batteries are being drained simultaneously. Additionally, you should be charging them together, meaning they've had the same number of charge cycles together. As soon as you take one of these married batteries out and, say, use it in a mech mod, you've "soiled the marriage" (lol), and the batteries will no longer drain at EXACTLY the same time.

Now yes, odds are, you won't experience catastrophic failure, but mixing batteries like this certainly increases the chances. One reason stacked batteries are so looked-down-upon is because if one battery has less nominal voltage than another one, the other one MAY attempt to lend it's counterpart additional power (sort of an attempt to compensate for the lack of voltage), which you do NOT want.

I've been recommended to only use batteries for a maximum of 8 months, and my cells that have been around longer than that REALLY have some very serious battery sag (they're virtually unusable, but I keep em around for posterity's sake).

Also:

Whether you're at 10W or 150W doesn't really make a difference in this case. If you were to put a virtually dead battery alongside a freshly charged one, you'd very likely see catastrophic failure regardless of the wattage setting.

Really?

Should this even make a difference in a regulated Mod? Sure, if you were doing this in a Mech, but ... isn't that the point of the electronic regulation to not allow "bad things" to happen like this?

 

[wrice4]

Really?

Should this even make a difference in a regulated Mod? Sure, if you were doing this in a Mech, but ... isn't that the point of the electronic regulation to not allow "bad things" to happen like this?

Thats what I was thinking, but don't know much on the subject to question it.

 

[nyiddle]

There are safety features, but there's not much that can stop a battery attempting to transfer its voltage to the other battery in the device. Granted, you might get "short circuit" protected before something bad happens (not sure if it'd count as a short), but I just wouldn't mess around with it.

I don't wanna find out what happens when a battery vents in an IPV3 -- a device which there's no possibility of getting the batteries out if you feel them getting hot. Damn screws.

 

[Fictitious Character]

Over time, the rate of voltage drop on a battery increases. A month of continually using/recharging a cell is more than enough time to make a difference. If you're using 2 batteries that are "married" in your IPV3, it's guaranteed that those batteries are being drained simultaneously. Additionally, you should be charging them together, meaning they've had the same number of charge cycles together. As soon as you take one of these married batteries out and, say, use it in a mech mod, you've "soiled the marriage" (lol), and the batteries will no longer drain at EXACTLY the same time.

Now yes, odds are, you won't experience catastrophic failure, but mixing batteries like this certainly increases the chances. One reason stacked batteries are so looked-down-upon is because if one battery has less nominal voltage than another one, the other one MAY attempt to lend it's counterpart additional power (sort of an attempt to compensate for the lack of voltage), which you do NOT want.

I've been recommended to only use batteries for a maximum of 8 months, and my cells that have been around longer than that REALLY have some very serious battery sag (they're virtually unusable, but I keep em around for posterity's sake).

Also:

Whether you're at 10W or 150W doesn't really make a difference in this case. If you were to put a virtually dead battery alongside a freshly charged one, you'd very likely see catastrophic failure regardless of the wattage setting.

I pulled the trigger on 4 new vtc's after I ordered the IPV3 and that is what I have been using since it arrived, but I had a matched set I was alternating out of another device and was not sure why this other set was not recommended. They were drained to the aprox same point and then alternated. Yes one may have ended up with one more charge cycle then the other but that could have been fixed as well since they are marked. So I am not using them for the IPV3 as there is really no need when I am using two other matched sets.

With that said would using those other two married batteries with even charge cycles really be that big of a deal in a regulated mod?

 

[nyiddle]

With that said would using those other two married batteries with even charge cycles really be that big of a deal in a regulated mod?

AFAIK, no. I have two boxes, and I rotate the batteries *IN PAIRS* between the boxes if need be.

 

[Sarin]

I wouldn't worry about them being from the same batch etc. I have VTC5's purchased at different times and i know that some get more use than others but as long as they are the same batteries then they are going to be used. There is some risk in using any batteries but i'm not going to micro manage them or even worse start a spreadsheet to log the exact usage / charging times. Don't nail them down to the voltage limit and you'll have nothing to worry about. That said, if they've been chucked in the drawer for a while and generally not looked after then i would treat myself to a new set. As stated the IPV3 is a regulated mod so you would assume that the safety features would kick in before any major issues, plus it has a battery charge indicator.

 

[nyiddle]

I wouldn't worry about them being from the same batch etc. I have VTC5's purchased at different times and i know that some get more use than others but as long as they are the same batteries then they are going to be used. There is some risk in using any batteries but i'm not going to micro manage them or even worse start a spreadsheet to log the exact usage / charging times. Don't nail them down to the voltage limit and you'll have nothing to worry about. That said, if they've been chucked in the drawer for a while and generally not looked after then i would treat myself to a new set. As stated the IPV3 is a regulated mod so you would assume that the safety features would kick in before any major issues, plus it has a battery charge indicator.

I mean, it's your prerogative to do what you want, but I don't know why you wouldn't just be cautious. I haven't heard of anyone's boxes exploding from badly paired batteries, but then again, there have only been -- what -- 4 or 5 documented incidents (featuring injuries) involving batteries venting.

So like I say to people building .05 ohm coils, it's not guaranteed that you're gonna experience catastrophic failure, but you're certainly playing with fire.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

Really?

Should this even make a difference in a regulated Mod? Sure, if you were doing this in a Mech, but ... isn't that the point of the electronic regulation to not allow "bad things" to happen like this?

Yes, really.
The electronics inside have no way to draw from, monitor or protect the batteries individually.
When dealing with multiple battery devices part of safe operation is for the user to understand & follow basic battery safety practices.

Matching /marrying batteries ( marking rotating charging ) and using those matched pairs or triples in only one device is part of basic battery safety.
If one vents temperatures rise to a point that will cause another battery enclosed in the same device to vent also.

The chance of something like this happening may be slim but having 2 or 3 venting batteries to deal with isn't a whole lot of fun when it happens.
The best / safest way to reduce the risks is to use matched sets, keep track of them / use basic battery safety practices.

 

[nyiddle]

use basic battery safety practices.

See, I don't know why everyone wouldn't just understand/agree to this.

Odds are you won't experience battery venting, even in EXTREME situations, but you're not helping reduce the chances by ignoring simple things like rotating batteries, ensuring they're married, etc.