Be interesting if the hole alignment is key to some peoples' issues. I have 2 holes very close to hiding behind the posts, right on the edge really, so I would be right in the middle of "good" and "bad" alignment, if that turns out to be the case. However, I've found the egrip to be a lot easier to live with than many other clearo's/rta's/devices, very forgiving.
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I like the flavor so much with the rba I ordered a bunch of replacement coils. wondered if they would work in a kayfun so I tried and it did. actually better than my mediocre coils and a lot easier and quicker. easy peasy.
Just went to a tension coil, and I will say its better than my twisted on a screwdriver ones....but its a new coil Vs. a burnt one also.
As for the hole not aligning....mine are behind the posts
BUT, I did this before, added a bit more cotton tucked in the bottom with a needle tip bottle and no leak or gurgle even after laying on its side charging over nite
Time will tell.
As for the hole not aligning....mine are behind the posts
BUT, I did this before, added a bit more cotton tucked in the bottom with a needle tip bottle and no leak or gurgle even after laying on its side charging over nite Time will tell.
The popping is a sign of needing to do coil maintenance. If you do not have the RBA, and are using store bought atomizers, then if it bothers you that much, replace the coil. The popping is caused by hot spots on the coil.
Your Cloupor died THAT FAST ? I hope I get much better, outta the one I ordered...
Cross-referencing from the Cignot eGrip thread for convenience:
Yep. eGrip #1 has the RBA where two juice inlet holes are blocked from wicking by the screw posts / deck when the RBA tube / chimney is tightened down - and it gurgles a bit at the start of the draw, I'd say 75% of the time. Again, I'm using 100% VG, so I would imagine folks using thinner PG are having it worse.
eGrip #2 has an RBA where all four juice inlet holes are accessible to wicking when the RBA tube / chimney is tight. No gurgles.
A picture's a thousand words, of which I am soooo guilty of
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This is where the juice inlet holes should be, ideally (IMO). This is the new one I bought today, after inspection before purchase at Cignot. The RBA in eGrip #2 is identical. I hope there's enough detail in these pics, they get sized down / low rezzed on upload to the forum.
Anything else, where the holes are aligned behind the screw posts / deck, aren't going to have wicking touching the holes directly when the wick is saturated. Unless someone gets super fussy / dexterous with a needle or something to get what little wicking would fit between the tube and the post. And if these holes aren't lined up right, that might explain all the gurgling / flooding / leaking / poor performance in general folks are having, and would imagine made worse the thinner the juice is / harder the draw.
Sorry if I missed it, cig - you try the sanding of the bottom end of the tube trick yet? I figured just looking for one with the right alignment out of the box was better, in case sanding brought the height of the tube down enough to degrade the seal at the top of the RBA cap to the air tube through the tank. I suppose there might be enough thread in the base body itself to crank down with to make up for that, though.
I do have to add that while initially, I was turned off by tube mods - but every time I've been in Cignot, the eGo ONE has been becoming more and more attractive. When more flush with cash I might get one and find out what all this sub ohm business is about, anyway
Reposting this also from the cignot thread:
"Right, I agree with your statement that not having access for wicking to block all four juice holes is a bad thing. Flooding/gurgling for sure with thinner juices. My rba looks like your pics (no sanding required) and it works great at 15.5w with my juices ranging from 75pg to max vg..
Truely wish Joyetech would get a handle on the juice hole alignment issue on these rbas. It is possible to run higher vg in the rba with only two holes covered by cotton but it's a deal killer for those wishing to run higher pg juices.
Sparkles, maybe you could give the sanding trick a try on your misaligned rba? I really don't think it would take more than .005" removal of material to allow the chimney tube to rotate the 45° needed for proper alignment. Worst case you could add another cs/rba seal on top of the existing one to make up the difference in height for sealing concerns. If that's too much, adding the seal from a kanger bdc head could work; it is thinner than the cs/rba seal.
For now it would be nice to have an egrip rba supplier who would check/mod the product to ensure all of their rbas shipped met OUR specs. Hehe"
Could be underwicked and/or bad coil symmetry. I know I preach on coil symmetry a lot but it's fundamental to a consistent vape. A tiny separation between the turns of a contact coil allows for a little pool of juice to collect there after your last vape and when you hit the fire button it pops when heated. Underwicking contributes to the collection of excess juice between those separations; overwicking can result in spitting from the same separations.
A coil set with proper symmetry will not suffer from either popping or spitting and is much less sensitive to wicking density variations. So much less sensitive that I often vary wicking density to regulate juice flow within the coil based on pg/vg ratio. A little lighter density for higher vg juice; a little heavier for higher pg juice. That's when you know you're really "dialing in" your vape. The payoff is super flavor and vapor density.
Firing the coil to red hot and then lightly pinching the coil together with tweezers or needle nose pliers can often help close up those separated turns and get you back on track. If not, replace the coil. It only takes a few minutes once you get it down.
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I had already done that. The coil looked good. Didn't help.
I think you're right about the wicking. I did pinch the coil. I'm still using the original, but it looks good. I just topped it off with VG. I'll re-wick later today.I also have the RBA with 2 of the holes blocked.
I think I'll call mine "Fry Baby". It sounds like a skillet of bacon!
Oh yay, this is the news I've been waiting to hear!!! I've wanted a kayfun forever but am no good at winding coils and just knew I'd leave it sitting... YES!!!
I think the hole alignment is not as bit a deal as some think. I use high PG (80%), and all three of my RBAs have two holes by the screws. All my egrips behave well if properly wicked. I've been a die-hard Reo/RM2 fan for the past year, but these egrips have given them some serious competition. If it wasn't for the built-in battery life I would likely use them full-time simply for the flavor and size!
I've been wanting to try that. Did you use the wick that came stock with the eGrip coil or stuff it with something longer?
To be honest I also don't think the holes not aligning is much of an issue. I nearly always leave 2 holes uncovered and get zero leaking. Maybe it's because I use Rayon which is really absorbent and I pack the coil itself quite tight and have a short wick.
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I used the wick that was on the coil. I trimmed it a little bit. one thing I noticed, the cotton taste goes away much quicker with the replacement coils than the shiseido I was using.
Yeah same here. Rayon is the best way to wick this device. mind you having said that I didn't get any leaking with ... cotton either.
Funny that, I find the opposite. Depends on your juice though as well.
Yeah true. I'd have to rate in my opinion ... cotton more. Rayon was good don't get me wrong. But at the moment whilst still experimenting with the rba base i found ... cotton is better.
Only 2 of my rba holes match up. Other two are hard to get to.
Still experimenting though.
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Only 2 of my rba holes match up. Other two are hard to get to.
Still experimenting though.
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... cotton here as well. KoGenDo. Tried Cc Rayon a few of times. It def wicks faster than ... cotton but I couldn't get past the taste. Not everyone suffers from nasty cc flavor notes when using it.
There is one negative attribute to cc rayon that effects wick longevity....it breaks down with heat over time much quicker than kgd. It tends to get saggy and pull away from the inside of the coil.
I'm jealous of those that can't taste it. I would trade the shorter wick life for faster juice transport any day!
There is one negative attribute to cc rayon that effects wick longevity....it breaks down with heat over time much quicker than kgd. It tends to get saggy and pull away from the inside of the coil.
I'm jealous of those that can't taste it. I would trade the shorter wick life for faster juice transport any day!
I think the placement of the holes was intentional. Otherwise why not just 2 bigger holes right by the wick, or 4 holes close together. I think the two holes unobstructed by wicking material let juice come in the chamber and as long as there is enough wicking, and wattage it will soak it up and vaporize it. It is a vacuum in the tank, so the juice isn't just flowing in those holes by itself without some sucking. I think the gurgling and leaking is just tanks that are not sealed properly. Whether that is the seals on the atty or the fill hole. I have had no gurgle or leaking with any coils (including the crappy stock dual coils and aspire bvc) or any of the RBA's no matter what kind of coil (including non tensioned coils...but still coils with perfect symmetry, and alumina cohesion..forgive me dear cigatron) or wicking material or juice I throw at it.
JUST MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE while going through 3-4 tanks a day!!!!! Also, I don't think (Actually, I know) sanding 5/1000" off the chimney will do anything anyway. That's like the thickness of a hair or 2.
Its my 3rd day now with the egrip rba atomizer and wanted to share my experiences so far;
- Flavor and vapor is so nice, air flow is extreme.
- After 3-4 tanks, i started to hear little gurgling and drops came way up to mouth tip, i just removed the coil, removed the wick, heated the coil by connecting to an external 3.7v battery and then put it in cold water. Coil was like brand new and then re-wicked. No more gurgling and nothing coming up.
Btw i noticed that if you use too much wick or too little, you end up with gurgling or juice leakage from bottom. After a few tries its easy to fix that too.
One more thing is about filling the tank from the hole, the rba is wider than normal atomizer so if you dont use a needle tip while avoidin rba (you feel it when you put the needle in), the liquid goes over rba and you get leaks from bottom. Never leaks when i fill with needle tip.
I loved it so much that i have ordered a backup rba just incase. eGrip with normal coils is just a joke compared to rba.
- Flavor and vapor is so nice, air flow is extreme.
- After 3-4 tanks, i started to hear little gurgling and drops came way up to mouth tip, i just removed the coil, removed the wick, heated the coil by connecting to an external 3.7v battery and then put it in cold water. Coil was like brand new and then re-wicked. No more gurgling and nothing coming up.
Btw i noticed that if you use too much wick or too little, you end up with gurgling or juice leakage from bottom. After a few tries its easy to fix that too.
One more thing is about filling the tank from the hole, the rba is wider than normal atomizer so if you dont use a needle tip while avoidin rba (you feel it when you put the needle in), the liquid goes over rba and you get leaks from bottom. Never leaks when i fill with needle tip.
I loved it so much that i have ordered a backup rba just incase. eGrip with normal coils is just a joke compared to rba.
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