New Member. A son looking for a e-cig for dad to transition into.

[Ri.Le]

Hey there ECF community,

I'm glad I found this forum because when I tried to google e-cig reviews and what not, I kept getting sponsored links or links to sites that were clearly funded by some e-cig company. Hopefully you guys can provide me with some unbiased opinions and advice.

My father has been smoking for the majority of his life and I just can't get him to quit. His argument is that "it's a hobby that keeps happy". So I figure maybe this e-cig thing might work for him.

He does not know I'm getting it for him and it's not his birthday or anything, I just want him to be on the road of quitting or at least smoke something that is less toxic.


My question to you guys is whether or not you guys can recommend a good and healthy e-cig that would be best for him to transition into. Currently he likes to smokes Dunhill Reds (international edition) and use to smoke Marlboro reds. I suppose that if there is any e-cig out there that might be good for him, it would be one that is similar in flavor to either the Dunhill reds (international edition) or Marlboro reds.

Your help is greatly appreciated and I hope to get my father on a healthier path where he can still enjoy smoking and satisfy his cigarette cravings.

Sincerely,
-Rich

 

[Mikkie]

Well I don't know about flavors, but it sounds like he might be best to start off with something like an 808 or standard 510 setup, to keep him with that "smoking feel " that he might be afraid of losing. There's plenty of great advisors on here, so I'm sure you'll have a ton of helpful chime-ins. Good luck, and good luck to your dad. I hope this works for him.

 

[Ri.Le]

Well I don't know about flavors, but it sounds like he might be best to start off with something like an 808 or standard 510 setup, to keep him with that "smoking feel " that he might be afraid of losing. There's plenty of great advisors on here, so I'm sure you'll have a ton of helpful chime-ins. Good luck, and good luck to your dad. I hope this works for him.

Thanks Mikkie for replying so promptly.

So what company are these 808 or 510? Are there any links you may be able to offer me or are links disabled on this forum?

Thanks again Mikkie,
-Rich

 

[MiXoLoGiSt]

I would say to start him off on a KR808D-1 so it has the same feel of smoking a normal cig and is not too hard to figure out. The KR808D-1 e cigarettes are only made of 2 pieces which is the cartridge and the battery. This makes it very simple for beginner users to get into vaping. When you get into the 510 style e cigs you have to worry about atomizers, cartridges and batteries and learn the correct way to use them. His transition to an e cig will be easiest with a KR808D-1 style e cig.

The KR808D-1 e cig i recommend is V2. You can order from them at V2cigs.com and they have awesome customer service and some of the cheapest prices around on refill cartridges. You also get the most bang for your buck with their kits since you can order an ultimate kit and get every accessory you will ever need for a KR808 style e cig. If you need a coupon code i can give you one for 15% off a starter kit.

 

[Bozzlite]

Oh, wow. That's a tough question. If he is not even open to trying E-cigs, then it is a lost cause.

You could get a starter kit for him from say, E-Liquid and Electronic Cigarette Shop - Category Listings An Ego or Riva 510.

They also have the e-liquid that is required to refill the cartiridges.

Or maybe something from Smokeless Image dot com With prefilled cartomizers.

It's worth a shot. Just don't fall for any of those "Free Trials", or buy one of those over priced E-cigs at a mall kiosk.

You can get him started for 50 bucks or so.

BTW, nothing is going to be similar in flavor to what he currently smokes. But there are many flavors out there that will fulfill the craving for a cigarette. It's all about the nicotine and the feel of smoking.

 

[Michael Curry]

I'm not really up on the cigarette tobacco flavors, but I do know full well the implications of the difference between Dunhill and Marlboro. Actually, his enjoyment of Dunhills might make it easier to do the seemingly impossible, since they are a lot closer to tobacco than a Marlboro.

The thing is, the taste of tobacco and paper burning is very difficult is not impossible to faithfully reproduce. Anyone who has vaped for a few days or more without having a real cigarette will probably tell you this is a good thing. The funky burning chemical taste won't be there in the vapor.

With e-cigs it's more like pipe smoking in a way. The e-cig itself is the tool - what you load it with determines what flavors it delivers.

There will be responses here with great recommendations for flavors. You might start with some of those, then hopefully dad will expand from there. Oh - please post back with how much he smokes - e-cigs are in various strengths of nicotine content.

Hopefully, he will see this as a hobby that can also keep him happy, and a lot healthier as an added benefit - and maybe even decide that the flavor is better here and the Red's don't keep him as happy as he thought they did.

 

[Ri.Le]

I would say to start him off on a KR808D-1 so it has the same feel of smoking a normal cig and is not too hard to figure out. The KR808D-1 e cigarettes are only made of 2 pieces which is the cartridge and the battery. This makes it very simple for beginner users to get into vaping. When you get into the 510 style e cigs you have to worry about atomizers, cartridges and batteries and learn the correct way to use them. His transition to an e cig will be easiest with a KR808D-1 style e cig.

The KR808D-1 e cig i recommend is V2. You can order from them at V2cigs.com and they have awesome customer service and some of the cheapest prices around on refill cartridges. You also get the most bang for your buck with their kits since you can order an ultimate kit and get every accessory you will ever need for a KR808 style e cig. If you need a coupon code i can give you one for 15% off a starter kit.

Yea I heard about the V2's while doing some research. I also heard a lot about Green Smoke as well; what's your take on those? Also I read something about, I believe, nicotine strength? I assume the nicotine strength would have a influence on flavor/feel. Is there anything you can tell me about that?

Thanks Mixologist for the very helpful and concise reply,

-Rich


To other members who may be browsing this thread. Please offer me all the help you can give. I am going to read every post thoroughly and take everything into account. The more help the better

 

[Mikkie]

I use smokeless image and litecigusa for 808 stuff, there are coupon codes out there too, I just don't have any off the top of my head. 510s are available from pretty much any vendor. Rumor has it digitalvaper is closing and has some sweet sales on 510 stuff. For 510 or 808, I recommend a pcc (personal charging case- you can carry it with you and charge batteries on the go) especially if he is a heavy smoker. Batteries dying and not having charged ones on hand can be very frustrating and off putting to new vapers

 

[Bozzlite]

Greensmoke.....no. Too expensive.

Check out the link I gave you in my previous post.

 

[VJH]

Hi Rich. It is sweet of you to help your dad. The 510s and 808s are the most "cigarette looking" e-cigs out there. The numbers represent the size of the threading at the end of the battery/ the size of the battery. (Anyone correct me if I am not explaining this correctly.)

You can look at the forum suppliers link at the top of the page and you will find many different reputable places to buy from. I have an 808 and I am a big fan. I got the ultimate starter kit from myvaporstore and then added some bottles of juice. I can't help you with the juice flavors though, I use desert and fruit flavors.

Have you learned about atomizers and cartomizers yet? I am just trying to gauge where you are at in the learning curve so we can get you the best information out there.

Cheers and welcome!

 

[Dudeman]

I wouldn't too crazy buying things until you know he'll like it and use it.

A good site to poke around on.

Electronic Cigarette Supplies & Electronic Cigarette Refills for Name-Brand Electronic Cigarettes! E-Cigs from LiteCigUSA

They have a good selection of kits and plenty of liquids. Competetive pricing as well.

I also vote for the KR808D-1 for a "trial" run/starter model. There's no point in spending more than necessary to see if he'll like it.

 

[MTV]

+1 to the KR808D-1 model...the Volt is also a popular brand that is not overpriced and has good batteries. Prefilled cartomizers is prob the way to go to make it as easy as possible. Worth a shot anyway.

 

[Mikkie]

Just read about a 510 automatic battery kit from vapedoctor.com for $29. Goodprophets runs good sales and everyday prices, and I believe he has pccs if vapedoctor doesn't. I suggest automatic only because the thing for me was that pushing a button was not a "natural" way to smoke, so I didn't want to do it when I vaped. There are pros and cons to auto vs manual, but for starting him off IMO auto will be a better choice.

 

[MTV]

For flavor in the cartos...try anything with "tobacco" or "desert" or "cowboy" if they have a small selection. If they have a larger selection look for the brand or a close facsimile.

 

[ColKurtz]

I vote the starter kit from HaloCigs. It is based on the KR808 that several have recommended. For someone starting out, and especially if you're "convincing" someone.... the initial goal should be simplicity IMO. There are only a few models of these e-cigarettes out there, but lots of different names and compatible/incompatible options. The choices can be overwhelming.

The reason I recommend Halo is that they offer some of the best juice around, IMO. A bad juice will turn someone off to e-cigs quickly, and Halo's flavors don't see to have the foul aftertaste that most every other juice I've tried has. That bad taste is one reason I relapsed after trying ecigs a couple of years ago. Taste is of course subjective but some sort of Halo flavor(s) seems to make it on everyone's top-10 lists.

There's a few reasons I would recommend Halo's G6.
1) I think cartomizers are preferable to atmoziers for someone starting out (read some posts/stickies to tell the difference). Atomizers typically last longer, but they come with "primer" to keep the wick wet and that primer has an absolutely foul taste -- I've never tasted primer in a cartomizer. I think that primer taste is one of the reasons I didn't stick with it. There are ways of getting the primer flavor out but it takes a while and, again, it may be a bit of a hassle for someone starting out.
2) Halo sells cartomizers for about the same price as other US vendors. Most cartomizers come empty, but Halo's come pre-filled with Halo juice. To keep it simple, your dad can just discard the cartomizer when it dries up.
3) Just because a cartomizer is empty of juice doesn't mean it isn't useful any longer. If he sticks with it he can buy bottles of juice to refill the cartomizers.

I don't have a G6, but again it's just a popular rebranded e-cig that many companies sell. I just have to recommend them because they're about the same price as other KR devices, and he's certain to find a flavor he likes in Halo's options. I have all 510-based hardware, but would buy my cartos form Halo if they sold them in a 510 version.

Good luck!

 

[Ri.Le]

There will be responses here with great recommendations for flavors. You might start with some of those, then hopefully dad will expand from there. Oh - please post back with how much he smokes - e-cigs are in various strengths of nicotine content.

Hopefully, he will see this as a hobby that can also keep him happy, and a lot healthier as an added benefit - and maybe even decide that the flavor is better here and the Red's don't keep him as happy as he thought they did.

He smokes about 4-8 times a day mostly on his "breaks" or during some alone time like driving to work or something. Does not smoke very much. He also always smokes only 1 at a time. The only instance where he'll smoke more than one at a time is if he's with friends and would try to "keep up"/"stay in the circle" similar to when people drink and try to drink together.

I use smokeless image and litecigusa for 808 stuff, there are coupon codes out there too, I just don't have any off the top of my head. 510s are available from pretty much any vendor. Rumor has it digitalvaper is closing and has some sweet sales on 510 stuff. For 510 or 808, I recommend a pcc (personal charging case- you can carry it with you and charge batteries on the go) especially if he is a heavy smoker. Batteries dying and not having charged ones on hand can be very frustrating and off putting to new vapers

Yea he's not a heavy smoker. Do those charging cases cost much? That's something I'd like to invest in. Also please pm me the link for that sale you speak of.

Greensmoke.....no. Too expensive.

Check out the link I gave you in my previous post.

Yea that's what I read somewhere online as well.

Have you learned about atomizers and cartomizers yet? I am just trying to gauge where you are at in the learning curve so we can get you the best information out there.

Cheers and welcome!

Please let me know all the knowledge you think I should know. This thread is a representation of how clean my slate of knowledge is about e cigarettes. I know near nothing so please enlighten me on e-liquids, cartridges, the differences between atomizers and cartomizers, etc..


Maybe this thread in the end will become *sticky* worthy because I'm very noob with this e-cig stuff and hopefully this can help other noobs later on.


Thanks for all the support and replies!,

-Rich

 

[Renrav]

I figured I should chime in here, since I've just used e-cigs to quit a 10+ year smoking habit. In the 4-5 months since I bought my first e-cig I've gotten a few people to try them out, with mixed results. The problem some folks have is that it's not exactly like a regular(analog) cigarette. The differences, to me at least, make e-cigs better than analogs in almost all respects. If you want to quit they make it much, much easier. If you don't have any desire to quit though, then nothing can exactly replicate the flavor, feel, and satisfaction of an analog.

I have had luck convincing some skeptics though, so I wouldn't want to discourage you from trying. I would suggest, as others have already said, a cigarette-like kit; I started with a 510 kit. I would also recommend having a few different flavors. I wanted to recreate my tobacco flavor to start, but quickly moved on to more interesting flavors. Your dad might try it only if it's close to his analog smoking experience, but might only stay interested by sampling new flavors.

 

[Mikkie]

http://www.vapedoctor.com/products/510-E%2dCigarette-Starter-Kit.html

Pccs can run from about 15-30 bucks. I got a pcc from goodprophets.com for My 808 for 14.99, not sure what his current pricing is on 510 pccs.

I wish I could be more help with flavors, but I use all fruity/dessert type flavors. Pre filled cartomizers are probably the best way to go just to get him started. My inlaws were drawn by the no fuss, no muss of buying pre filled. they now fill their own, but have admitted that if they would have had to do that at the start, they'd have said the heck with it.

 

[MiXoLoGiSt]

I have to agree that pre filled are probably the best way to go for him. It will keep things simple.

 

[Ri.Le]

Just read about a 510 automatic battery kit from vapedoctor.com for $29. Goodprophets runs good sales and everyday prices, and I believe he has pccs if vapedoctor doesn't. I suggest automatic only because the thing for me was that pushing a button was not a "natural" way to smoke, so I didn't want to do it when I vaped. There are pros and cons to auto vs manual, but for starting him off IMO auto will be a better choice.

I vote the starter kit from HaloCigs. It is based on the KR808 that several have recommended. For someone starting out, and especially if you're "convincing" someone.... the initial goal should be simplicity IMO.

I agree with both of you guys on the simplicity thing. I'm actually a health psychology major and for behavior modification, one the big things is to make the new behavior as less adversive as possible to make the transition easier for the individual to be receptive.

So it seems this KR808D-1 is very popular and seems to have this simplicity we are looking for. And yea I definitely thing the button thing would be a huge turn off.

Also thanks for that caveat about the primer flavor.

How do others feel about HaloCigs, is there any other recommendation you can compare or contrast to this?


@ mtv0987: So what do you mean the close brand or facsimile? Do you mean to say some of these sites will have something like "Marlboro Flavor"?