New member and ready to quit smoking

[Carlosxto]

ok so I been vaping for 3 years but alternating with regular cigarettes, bought my first vape it was a smok with a 3mg liquid at first was so hard to smoke make me cough a lot so I quit the vape I kept researching on the internet so they recommended ruthless juice because of the higher VG and I help I quit for 2 weeks and started back to the reg cigarettes becomes the mod was to big and heavy for work stop using the vape for about 1 year then went to a different job and every body was vaping so started to google a different mod and bought the geek vape mini aegis and bad drip juice 3mg and was coughing again so I read somewhere that mixing 3mg and 0 mg will help so that was the answer to my coughing

Now bought the lost vape Orion q Pod
And using regular juice but I think the first coil burned to fast I tried the mic salt but it’s to strong it’s like inhaling crushed glasses now I am looking to get a juice wit 3 mg or 1.5 nic to avoid burning the coil

Still smoking 10-15 cigs per day (Marlboro ultra lights)

Any recommendation or tips to quit smoking
(Sorry for my English it’s not to good)

 

[bombastinator]

Howdy and welcome
Let’s see if the community can possibly get this straightened out.
What nic level was the protonated (salt) nic you tried and what actual chemical was it? There are many types of protonated nic.

It sounds to me that you need the lowest level of throat hit you can get. That would be a max VG juice using probably a small amount of a low throat hit protonated nic.

One of the confusions inserted is protonated nic used a different and deliberately confusing system to describe concentration, which is often quite innaccurate. It’s a percentage system. 3% salt is really more like 30mg/ml.

 

[Carlosxto]

The nic salt it’s from pacaha mama 25mg that’s the lowest on the store

 

[bombastinator]

The nic salt it’s from pacaha mama 25mg that’s the lowest on the store

At its best protonated nics cut throat hit by up to about half so you’re still vaping something with 5 times the throat hit of what you find a bit too strong for you. Maybe cut that stuff 6 to 1 with VG. There won’t be much flavor of course. It might do for a test though. Small batch of course. Can you measure out single or fractional milliliters with anything?

 

[Hawise]

I think @bombastinator's right and you need to find a lower concentration of nic salts.

There are two ways to measure nicotine concentration, whether it's nic salts or regular nic: % and mg/ml (or just mg). Nic salts are often measured in %, while regular nic is usually in mg/ml. To convert them, multiply a percentage by 10 to get the measurement in mg/ml. That means 3% nic is equal to 30 mg/ml.

Nic salts usually have less throat hit than regular nic per mg/ml. You started with (I think) 3 mg/ml, but found that too harsh, so you switched to nic salts at 25 mg/ml (or 2.5%). Even though nic salts are less harsh, the concentration is so much higher that it's probably much harsher than the 3 mg/ml.

What you really want for the Orion is probably nic salts at 3 mg/ml (0.3%), 6 mg/ml (0.6%) or 9 mg/ml (0.9%), but it sounds like you're having trouble finding what you need. You might try these options:

• Try using the regular juice in the Orion again. I don't know why you had trouble with the first coil, (did you let it sit for 15 minutes before vaping?) but coils don't care if you're using nic salts or regular nic. The regular nic won't harm the coil.
• If you can get 0 mg/ml of the pacha mama juice, try diluting the nic salt juice. Three bottles of 0 nic juice to one bottle of the 25 mg/ml would give you about 6 mg/ml of salt nic, and that might work for you.
• You could also dilute the nic salt juice with plain USP VG, if you can get ahold of that. Like @bombastinator said, it will dilute the flavour, but juices are often over-flavoured.

By the way, can you tell us what tank and coil you were using with the Aegis Mini? It sounds like you were using 1.5 mg/ml (a bottle of 3 mg/ml with a bottle of 0 nic) with that successfully.

 

[Carlosxto]

I think @bombastinator's right and you need to find a lower concentration of nic salts.

There are two ways to measure nicotine concentration, whether it's nic salts or regular nic: % and mg/ml (or just mg). Nic salts are often measured in %, while regular nic is usually in mg/ml. To convert them, multiply a percentage by 10 to get the measurement in mg/ml. That means 3% nic is equal to 30 mg/ml.

Nic salts usually have less throat hit than regular nic per mg/ml. You started with (I think) 3 mg/ml, but found that too harsh, so you switched to nic salts at 25 mg/ml (or 2.5%). Even though nic salts are less harsh, the concentration is so much higher that it's probably much harsher than the 3 mg/ml.

What you really want for the Orion is probably nic salts at 3 mg/ml (0.3%), 6 mg/ml (0.6%) or 9 mg/ml (0.9%), but it sounds like you're having trouble finding what you need. You might try these options:

• Try using the regular juice in the Orion again. I don't know why you had trouble with the first coil, (did you let it sit for 15 minutes before vaping?) but coils don't care if you're using nic salts or regular nic. The regular nic won't harm the coil.
• If you can get 0 mg/ml of the pacha mama juice, try diluting the nic salt juice. Three bottles of 0 nic juice to one bottle of the 25 mg/ml would give you about 6 mg/ml of salt nic, and that might work for you.
• You could also dilute the nic salt juice with plain USP VG, if you can get ahold of that. Like @bombastinator said, it will dilute the flavour, but juices are often over-flavoured.

By the way, can you tell us what tank and coil you were using with the Aegis Mini? It sounds like you were using 1.5 mg/ml (a bottle of 3 mg/ml with a bottle of 0 nic) with that successfully.

Ok I’ll go to the store and get the pachamama 0 mg and dilute the nic salt

On the aegis i am using the mesh coil x2 great coil compare to smok coils no cracklings or spit and great flavor

 

[HigherStateD]

The Orion q is probably not going to wick a high VG juice. If PG is the source of the irritability, as well as the nic level, you may not be compatible with that, or most pod devices.

 

[Baditude]

If you are using the tank that
comes in the Aegis Mini starter kit (Cerberus), it is a subohm tank that makes warmer vapor than a MTL tank. This must be factored into the issues you are having. Gear and juice must match up for how they were designed to be used and how you wish to vape. IMHO you'd be better served using a mouth to lung tank like Innokin Zlide or Zenith.

 

[Carlosxto]

If you are using the tank that
comes in the Aegis Mini starter kit (Cerberus), it is a subohm tank that makes warmer vapor than a MTL tank. This must be factored into the issues you are having. Gear and juice must match up for how they were designed to be used and how you wish to vape. IMHO you'd be better served using a mouth to lung tank like Innokin Zlide or Zenith.

I have the innokin zenith it’s really good but some times I like the big clouds

I want something smaller for work with the same concentration 1.5 mg because if I go stronger it’s harsh for me

 

[HigherStateD]

I have the innokin zenith it’s really good but some times I like the big clouds

I want something smaller for work with the same concentration 1.5 mg because if I go stronger it’s harsh for me

The Orion q takes 70/30 VG/PG ratio juice. If the PG is an issue, that may be too much. Any 1.5 mg juice should work fine for you, but keep in mind, some flavors can be harsh also, such as citrus.

 

[somdcomputerguy]

Welcome to ECF, Carlosxto.

 

[Mordacai]

Hello @Carlosxto.

By the sounds of your issues it seems like your having a hard time finding the right setup and liquid/juice.

With high VG (Vegetable Glycerine) liquids you can end up with wicking issues due to the thickness or viscosity of them, they can be thinned a little though using Distilled Water.

But if you really want to get the best enjoyment, you may consider Dripping or Squonking with an RDA (Rebuildable Dripping Atomiser). They're the easiest type of rebuildable that you can get to use, and they would have no problems working with high to full VG liquids.

Vapefly Holic MTL RDA and a Entheon RDA clone or something along those lines may be of interest to you, it's just an idea though.

 

[Carlosxto]

Hello @Carlosxto.
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By the sounds of your issues it seems like your having a hard time finding the right setup and liquid/juice.

With high VG (Vegetable Glycerine) liquids you can end up with wicking issues due to the thickness or viscosity of them, they can be thinned a little though using Distilled Water.

But if you really want to get the best enjoyment, you may consider Dripping or Squonking with an RDA (Rebuildable Dripping Atomiser). They're the easiest type of rebuildable that you can get to use, and they would have no problems working with high to full VG liquids.

Vapefly Holic MTL RDA and a Entheon RDA clone or something along those lines may be of interest to you, it's just an idea though.

I have seen the rda but don’t know which one I seen a lot YouTube videos and seems complicated my goal it’s to quit smoking

 

[bombastinator]

I have one more thought:
It seems like it might turn out to be possible that you can’t handle any throat hit at all comfortably. If this turns out to be the case I have one more idea; don’t inhale nicotine at all. Have you tried the patch? With it the nicotine goes directly into your skin. Maybe a patch combined with a mildly flavored zero nicotine vape. Just an idea. Honestly it perplexes me how you’re able to smoke a cigarette at all if you’re this sensitive to throat hit.

 

[bombastinator]

I have seen the rda but don’t know which one I seen a lot YouTube videos and seems complicated my goal it’s to quit smoking

The math as I understand it is if you vape for a month or less a pod is cheapest. If you vape for a year or less a coil cartridge is cheapest. If you vape for longer than that an RBA is cheapest.

Given your goal, a pod, or more probably a coil cartridge tank, would work best for you. RBAs do allow more control over the system though and I suppose that might possibly be needed.

 

[Mordacai]

@Carlosxto, RDA's or Drippers are the easiest type of rebuildable to work with.

You just need some simple round wire and some wicking material (Cotton or Rayon), and also to use resources such as the coil building tools on steam-engine.org.

The Holic MTL and Entheon clone have build decks that have screws to trap the wire on opposite sides, that style makes things a little bit easier still.

But they're not to be feared, worst thing that you'll experience is the learning curve with wicking. And having to rewick the coil you have installed a couple of times until it works well for you.

And besides, if you learn how to use a rebuildable you will save an absolute fortune in coils. Which is always good.

Could we ask where you're roughly based please? As it helps us give better suited information.

 

[Mordacai]

For a better idea of what I've posted here's the RDA's I've mentioned.

Vapefly Holic MTL RDA.
Vapefly Holic MTL RDA – VapeFly

Psychlone Entheon.
Psyclone Mods Entheon/Hadeon RDA (Includes Hadeon Cap & Plug Kit) – Free UK Delivery – SR Vapes

 

[vicsch]

ok so I been vaping for 3 years but alternating with regular cigarettes, bought my first vape it was a smok with a 3mg liquid at first was so hard to smoke make me cough a lot so I quit the vape I kept researching on the internet so they recommended ruthless juice because of the higher VG and I help I quit for 2 weeks and started back to the reg cigarettes becomes the mod was to big and heavy for work stop using the vape for about 1 year then went to a different job and every body was vaping so started to google a different mod and bought the geek vape mini aegis and bad drip juice 3mg and was coughing again so I read somewhere that mixing 3mg and 0 mg will help so that was the answer to my coughing

Now bought the lost vape Orion q Pod
And using regular juice but I think the first coil burned to fast I tried the mic salt but it’s to strong it’s like inhaling crushed glasses now I am looking to get a juice wit 3 mg or 1.5 nic to avoid burning the coil

Still smoking 10-15 cigs per day (Marlboro ultra lights)

Any recommendation or tips to quit smoking
(Sorry for my English it’s not to good)

U probably cough due to smoking those nasty real cigs it wasn't from the vaping, me being a past smoker I tried vaping also when I was smoking the nasty & they don't mix doing them both so I decided to quit they nasty cigs & truly glad I did & will never go back cause vaping is wonderful & doesn't stink & doesn't make me cough & I fill totally better.

 

[Mordacai]

@vicsch, there's some liquids that can make you cough.

Ones high in Peppermint and Menthol come to mind, especially when low ohm DTL vaping.

 

[vicsch]

@vicsch, there's some liquids that can make you cough.

Ones high in Peppermint and Menthol come to mind, especially when low ohm DTL vaping.

All I use or ever will use is menthol & it's been doing great for me the past few years ! .. I vape tobacco menthol w/12mg. nic. & no problems w/coughing & I was a 20+ year nasty cig. smoker.