New member! Having battery issue!

[DreamB0yDani]

Hi everyone,

I'm new to vaping. Bought X-Priv about 2 weeks before, and I like the device. Bought LG HG2 batteries from local vape shop here in Saudi Arabia. Really enjoying vaping.

However, I am having trouble understanding if the batteries I bought are fake or genuine or if it's the mod.that causing trouble.

My batteries are discharging fast. I don't vape above 55W, and I don't chain vape. I charge the batteries through mod itself (I know it's not recommended), and fully drained batteries recharge in 45 to 60 mins. In addition to that, today I got Nitecore D4 (which turned out fake, already initiated refund request) but I am still using it to recharge batteries to see if charging through it tell me anything about the problem.

Any help in this regard would be highly appreciated.

 

[bombastinator]

45-60 minutes is insanely fast for a poor little 5v 1amp usb cable to charge a pair of 3amp batteries. It would have to be throwing out something like 6amps. I suspect shenanigans on the part of your mod unless you’ve got some sort of high amp charging system set up

 

[DreamB0yDani]

45-60 minutes is insanely fast for a poor little 5v 1amp usb cable to charge a pair of 3amp batteries. It would have to be throwing out something like 6amps. I suspect shenanigans on the part of your mod unless you’ve got some sort of high amp charging system set up

The thing is that even the external fake charger ia charging the batteries in 60mins. As of right now, both batteries reached from 3.7V to 4.2 V at 720 mA in about 60mins.

 

[bombastinator]

The thing is that even the external fake charger ia charging the batteries in 60mins. As of right now, both batteries reached from 3.7V to 4.2 V at 720 mA in about 60mins.

The problem with having multiple parts of a system that are untrusted is that it becomes very difficult to point to a perpetrator. In order to diagnose some trust level needs to be gotten into your system.

You could:
A. wait for the known genuine charger
B. Buy some known genuine new batteries from a reputable vendor
C. Or both.

 

[DreamB0yDani]

The problem with having multiple parts of a system that are untrusted is that it becomes very difficult to point to a perpetrator. In order to diagnose some trust level needs to be gotten into your system.

You could:
A. wait for the known genuine charger
B. Buy some known genuine new batteries from a reputable vendor
C. Or both.

I'll probably have to go with both. Since my mod is charging batteries at the same rate as the fake charger. So I am guessing my batteries are fake because the very first batteries I got from local vape shop was fully discharged to an extent that they couldn't even be charged. I went back and the guy at shop had to find charged batteries from 6 different sets to find the one which can turn onomy mod.

Would you refer me to any site that has genine chargers/cells that can be shipped internationally?

 

[bombastinator]

I'll probably have to go with both. Since my mod is charging batteries at the same rate as the fake charger. So I am guessing my batteries are fake because the very first batteries I got from local vape shop was fully discharged to am extent that they even couldn't be charged. I went back and hthe guy at rhe shop had to find recharged batteries from 6 different sets to find the one which can turn on my mod.

Would you refer me to any site that has genine chargers/cells that can be shipped internationally?

Mooch's blog | E-Cigarette Forum Is the go to repository for all things battery related around here. There’s probably more information than you need, and you might have to root around a bit, but in there are both lists of trusted batteries and trusted vendors

GL

 

[stols001]

I would return the batteries, and check out Mooch's blog, there is a chart that lists various batteries and in the last cell, approved vendors.

I agree that your batteries shouldn't be charging/discharging that fast, and I would suggest NOT using those batteries until you get authentics, it doesn't sound very safe. Unfortunately, it's not unusual for vape stores to sell rewrapped or seconded batteries. You could post a pic of the batteries if you want, but I think it's likely your batteries, given everything you have described.

Sorry to hear about your experience. Don't use them, you don't want the mod to get overstressed or the batteries, potentially causing venting. IF the problem persists after you get authentic batteries then you can look at warrantying the mod if the problem persists, although I am doubtful it will, but I guess it could be the case you got faulty batteries AND mod, I'd consider it kind of unlikely.

Best of luck and welcome to ECF.

Anna

 

[DreamB0yDani]

Mooch's blog | E-Cigarette Forum Is the go to repository for all things battery related around here.

GL

Best of luck and welcome to ECF.
Anna

Thank you both. I checked sites on Mooch's blog. Unfortunately, most of them don't deliver to Saudi Arabia, and the those who does, have higher shipping cost.

I'll have to ask my friend in UK(currently visiting UK) to buy batteries and external charger, from reliable site for me.

Its extremely difficult to find genuine battery/charger here.

 

[bombastinator]

Thank you both. I checked sites on Mooch's blog. Unfortunately, most of them don't deliver to Saudi Arabia, and the those who does, have higher shipping cost.

I'll have to ask my friend in UK(currently visiting UK) to buy batteries and external charger, from reliable site for me.

ItsI extremely difficult to find genuine battery/charger here.

:/ sounds like you’ll need all the luck you can get then. I wish you success

 

[DreamB0yDani]

:/ sounds like you’ll need all the luck you can get then. I wish you success

Indeed. Thank you.

 

[DreamB0yDani]

You could post a pic of the batteries if you want, but I think it's likely your batteries, given everything you have described.

Since you asked to post pics. I found the insulators on both easily distinguishable. These are way different than the one I found on Mooch's recommend sites.

I guess these are confirmed fakes?

 

[untar]

I guess these are confirmed fakes?

Not really, nobody can confirm a fake without measurements unless there's obvious anomalies. They have the right amount of "legs" on the positive and correct-ish colors (as far as I can tell from the photos).
They could just be old and dead originals or LG quality check rejects, not necessarily fake.
If they discharge too fast (which we don't even know how fast yet but the charging seems rather quick) then you need new batteries, no matter if fake or not.

 

[DreamB0yDani]

Not really, nobody can confirm a fake without measurements unless there's obvious anomalies. They have the right amount of "legs" on the positive and correct-ish colors (as far as I can tell from the photos).
They could just be old and dead originals or LG quality check rejects, not necessarily fake.
If they discharge too fast (which we don't even know how fast yet but the charging seems rather quick) then you need new batteries, no matter if fake or not.

Understood. I was just checking how much voltage it can go with 94% charged. But it warned me 'Battery Low' when fired at 100w (3.6v, 0.136 Ohm).

 

[mcclintock]

Sounds to me that they're low current, if turning up the power makes them go immediately to low battery indication, after it says they have good charge unloaded. Presumably you could discharge them more fully with a low power atomizer.

If the charger says they aren't that discharged but the mod did, the mod could be the problem. If the charger says they aren't equal when they go in, you could have one bad cell. They should be matched and considered married.

 

[DreamB0yDani]

Sounds to me that they're low current, if turning up the power makes them go immediately to low battery indication, after it says they have good charge unloaded. Presumably you could discharge them more fully with a low power atomizer.

If the charger says they aren't that discharged but the mod did, the mod could be the problem. If the charger says they aren't equal when they go in, you could have one bad cell. They should be matched and considered married.

Both, mod and charger (fake though) shows the battery being 95% charged. However, the battery indicator on mod stays the same during and after battery warning. Few times it went below 50% ,and then came back to actual percentage. But then again fully discharged battery gets recharged in 60 to 70min even on external charger.

 

[untar]

When you hit the fire button and put the battery under load the voltage of the battery drops, every battery does that to an extent. If it drops from almost full to under 2.8V in an instant the battery simply can't provide the power you need. It's either old, dead, used or fake and needs replacing. I wouldn't vape on that.

 

[DreamB0yDani]

When you hit the fire button and put the battery under load the voltage of the battery drops, every battery does that to an extent. If it drops from almost full to under 2.8V in an instant the battery simply can't provide the power you need. It's either old, dead, used or fake and needs replacing. I wouldn't vape on that.

Just for the testing purpose, both batteries are at 93%. I am firing at 100w (0.136 ohm, 3.6v), and it shows battery warning as soon as it reach 3.6v. It doesn't go down or anything, just battery warning.

The other vape shop said the batteries I got are fake because no way these batteries can be $6.60 per set.

 

[Eskie]

The behavior is not consistent with authentic batteries. LG batteries are commonly counterfeited. I think your idea of a friend picking up some authentic batteries and a charger in the UK I'd your best bet. The expense of shipping batteries can be prohibitive. I wouldn't use them and I'd wait for real ones to get to you. I'd also have your friend by up several sets so you can rotate through them.

 

[untar]

Well "battery warning" means it got under the mods minimum voltage, which I guess is 2.8V for SMOK unless they changed it.
The LGs should be able to fire 100W without struggling (as a set of 2 that is), so yeah either fake or old/rejects/used up.

O..O/!\DO NOT USE!/!\O..O

 

[BrotherBob]

I charge the batteries through mod itself (I know it's not recommended)

Welcome and glad you joined.
Could look at a few good chargers.
Might like to read:
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/guide-to-choosing-a-battery-charger.7607/