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ClasslessKing

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I usually ask before I do it. I mean, most don't mind but I have found a few bars that have politely asked me to step outside and that's fine with me! I understand there is still a stigma with it and that's okay, for now. I know that the Buffalo Wild Wings recently put up a sign asking people not to vape in the restaurant due to a really obnoxious guy with a Blu causing serious issues one night. It's people like that who are getting people up in arms against vaping. Use your head when doing it. My boss asked me not to do it when I took a stress pull after a particularly nasty customer called in and I told him it wouldn't happen again (there are three of us that vape at work) and he's nice enough to let us use the warehouse to vape and work on our mods.


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"Anytime a vaper causes (or even SEEMS to be causing) a problem in public or at their workplace, he/she is giving non-vapers more reason to stand against us, which will quickly lead to unwarranted regulations and excessive taxation."

That's what I was saying! I guess in a lousy way...:blink:

Spite much?

Regulations are coming no matter where anyone Vapes or blows clouds etc, can't be stopped and ain't because of clouds, follow the money.

I do understand what your saying mate, but it's irrelevant to regulations. But more relevant to using common sense only.
 

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Spite much?

Regulations are coming no matter where anyone Vapes or blows clouds etc, can't be stopped and ain't because of clouds, follow the money.

I do understand what your saying mate, but it's irrelevant to regulations. But more relevant to using common sense only.

Okay to answer without being argumentative? Have my opinion? lol. Money yes. But, money was in place when all of the "in your face smokers" were puffing away and letting their cigs burn in ashtrays, wafting in people's faces. Escalated the problem. Inconsiderate vapers will do the same thing. Especially, without hardcore long term data to back us up.

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"I know that the Buffalo Wild Wings recently put up a sign asking people not to vape in the restaurant due to a really obnoxious guy with a Blu causing serious issues one night. It's people like that who are getting people up in arms against vaping."

Right on King! But some cloud chasers get offended, not all, cuz they think we are generalizing. I was hammered in a thread I started about the very same thing. It's just about being "cool" with it and not like one said, "Blow clouds, if they sass, sass back, then politely stop". It's that mentality that will get us in a bad place. Peace.
 

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ot but blu is not a cloud chasing device.....

and the ban on cigs had nothing to do with cigs burning in ashtrays....they banned flavors due to the fact that they thought it encouraged underage smoking
they banned smoking in public places due to the harmful secondhand smoke

regulations will come for vaping as well once they decide how to "label" it. they don't want to label it as a smoking cession because then they have to admit it helps people quit and they can't label it smoking since it's not :) but once they label it then big tobacco make lose the rights to make their own versions as they could then be labeled a monopoly....
they can't label it in with snuff, well you can't ban snuff from indoors and it's not snuff :lol:
so be on the look out of it being a new "class"
 

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In your experience o mighty ecig sages what's the best approach here?

Well, I'm not going to lie. I lean libertarian pretty hard. I will respect the decision of any business that has a No Vaping sign, or a sign saying that they reserve the right to refuse service for any reason. If I see a No Vaping sign, I won't start. If they ask me to stop vaping in a business that reserves the right to refuse service, I will gladly comply. I will also gladly comply if anyone asks me to not vape indoors at their private residence.

Shy of that, all bets are off. My rights don't end where other people's feelings begin.
 

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ot but blu is not a cloud chasing device.....

and the ban on cigs had nothing to do with cigs burning in ashtrays....they banned flavors due to the fact that they thought it encouraged underage smoking
they banned smoking in public places due to the harmful secondhand smoke


regulations will come for vaping as well once they decide how to "label" it. they don't want to label it as a smoking cession because then they have to admit it helps people quit and they can't label it smoking since it's not :) but once they label it then big tobacco make lose the rights to make their own versions as they could then be labeled a monopoly....
they can't label it in with snuff, well you can't ban snuff from indoors and it's not snuff :lol:
so be on the look out of it being a new "class"

It was the sum of many parts that got the over reaction to the strict ant-smoking laws. Ashtrays and being inconsiderate two of many. All some of us are saying is that if you're obnoxious about it because you know it's harmless, you are taking us down the wrong path. Just like the dude with thee Blu at the resturaunt. Sign goes up. NO VAPING.It's a moot point. Keep blowing clouds, but don't be obnoxious about it. That's all.
 

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If one has to ask where to vape, I then suggest vape out doors away from people. Perferablly by smoking signs. Wife in intensive care as we speak. I visited the washroom across the hall from her room a lot. I plead the fifth on vaping in their or not. LOL But I did take a really mild juice with me and make sure it had no nut products in it. Will take the same back with me in the morning.
 

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Nice quote.......

Fight Club for those who don't know, or don't wanna know....... here's another

When you have insomnia, you're never really asleep... and you're never really awake.


I try not to think about it too much........ makes me sleepy.........


Back to vaping question at hand..........

...it doesn't stink up a room like a cigarette, so that's a good thing........
what I find uncomfortable is vaping in a public place, allowed or not, and having people look at me like I have two heads......... it's gonna take time before it's publicly accepted...... if ever

I was at my kids hockey game the other day........ up in the stands vaping.. not beside anyone, but a few seats away...... didn't get any looks........ a good thing

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Y'all know what we could really use right now? Dr. Sanjay Gupta gathering whatever independent hard data is out there regarding vaping (there's not a lot as yet, but there is some), as well as encouraging independent laboratories to do further testing on the chemicals used in modern e-cigs, and their impacts on vapers and non-vapers alike.

Then he could do a special on CNN to educate people with meaningful, objective and TRUTHFUL information about vaping, which would have the effect of un-demonizing e-cigs, vaping and e-liquids. It's too soon to expect the results of any long-term measurements, of course, but he could at least present the handful of ingredients in e-liquids, the known risks of ingesting each ingredient, and the first-hand and second-hand effects of the delivery method of a modern e-cig.

He could keep it simple, not venturing into the complexities of cigalikes vs. mods vs. mechanicals, and so on. Simply call all of them "personal vaporizers" in order to get the suffix "-cig" out of the realm of vaping. Too many people see "e-cig" and immediately think vaping is "just another way of smoking".

Dr. Gupta has done this very thing before, and with very positive effects - most recently with ... um ... other things that needed to be de-stigmatized and understood correctly by society. He's very good at doing this kind of thing.

If we can get enough of the truth into the minds of a significant percentage of our country's population, then Congress and BT would have a harder time getting people to believe their lies and ignorance. If we expect to get the act of vaping treated fairly by the government and society alike, we're going to need someone with the visibility and credibility of Dr. Gupta - as well as other doctors and scientists - to de-bunk the unfounded rumors and replace them with the truth.

I fear this is our only hope. If we wait too long, then there will be so many states and districts unduly restricting or banning the act of vaping, and so much of the population believing vaping to be nothing more than "fancy smoking" with all the same dangers, then not even Sanjay could help us. Something like this needs to be done sooner rather than later.


[...] and having people look at me like I have two heads.........
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I find the hover text funny sometimes. I imagine replacing the word with it's pop-up definition, which makes the quote above...
"[...] and having people look at me like I have two end-fittings such as atomizers, cartomizers and tanks........." :lol:
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Vaping or not should be about consideration, not legislation and rules. The best comparisons I have seen were about how you would feel if someone was next to you eating smelly food or had terrible BO. There are no rules against those behaviors, but it is considered impolite and is something that you do not like people doing around you. If someone makes them too big of a problem, new rules are created to prevent the behavior. I stopped being able to eat at my desk because of people getting curry in an open office, and stopped being able to vape at work because someone was blowing clouds instead of exhaling under his desk like the rest of us. Restaurants and other businesses will be the same way if we don't show people it isn't the same. Smelling a hint of vanilla after a vaper has been around isn't the same as cigarettes, but getting in a non-smokers face is how we get people voting for legislation against vapers since we are all now a-holes in that person's eyes.
 

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Right on Ck Calmer! This is my mission..To keep vapers and venders from giving out false info, such as "simply water vapor", warning those that, big clouds are not always cool depending where they blow them and yeah..we need a messiah..prob is, vaping only around for about last 10 years. We have no long term facts to keep the suits away from doing what they did when we smoked. "Be cool". We are under attack.


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