New member with DIY question

[JohnSh]

Hi all, new member here. I think this question should go in the DIY forum but I have not got 5 posts yet.
I decided to mix my own juice. I went to the local Vape shop and bought 250 ML of 30 MG PG based nicotine, 125 ML of 30 MG base VG nicotine, several 30 ML of PG based flavors and all the supplies I thought I would need. I D/l several different calculators and they all seem to treat the nicotine, PG and VG as different ingredients. I am confused and hope to get someone here to explain to me what I am missing.Here is a print out of the recipe card:


Default.dft
Nicotine Strength e-juice PG 60% VG 40% 30mg
Target Nicotine Strength 16mg
Amount to Make 10ml
Water/Vodka/PGA 0%
Amaretto PG 0% VG 0%
Nicotine ejuice 5.33ml 107 Drops 53.3% <<<
PG 50% 0.8ml 16 Drops 8% <<<
VG 50% 1.87ml 37 Drops 18.7% <<<
Water/Vodka/PGA 0ml 0 Drops 0%
Amaretto 2ml 40 Drops 20%

I don't want to mix this stuff without a thorough understanding of what I am doing.

Would I divide the drops of Nicotine 60/40 to get the right mixture there and add no nicotine PG and VG as shown here to get the right mixture? If so is any vegetable oil OK to use? What about PG? can I just use Vodka? I ask because I noticed that there was a Water/Vodka/PGA category.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

 

[bacc.vap]

I'm not a Diy'er, at least not yet. Looks like a question that may be best answered in the DIY Forum. Get your 5 posts in here, then ask over there if you don't get an answer before then. One thing I will say, and that is that I strongly doubt using vegetable oil is acceptable.

 

[amtseung]

Nicotine means your nicotine liquid, which typically comes in a set concentration, usually in mg/mL. PG is Propylene Glycol, a thinner, runnier liquid that's great at carrying flavour with your vapour, but doesn't produce a very dense, visible cloud. VG is Vegetable Glycerine, a thick, viscous liquid that's great for creating density in the cloud, but doesn't carry vapour as well as PG.
Please don't add vegetable oil to this. E-liquid is by no means an oil, nor is it oil-based.
Liquor, generally something with a higher alcohol concentration, can be used to replace PG if you don't have any. Glycol is chemically an alcohol, although the molecular structure is a bit different.
Adding water lowers the temperature at which your concoction turns to vapour, allowing some bigger-looking clouds with devices that aren't running under 0.10 ohms with some insane power source.
As a beginner DIY'er, I would recommend sticking to the fewest number of ingredients possible, for simplicity's sake. 50/50 pg/vg, at 15mg/mL nicotine strength, with your choice of flavour concentrate as part of your total amount of pg, as often times, flavour concentrates are PG-based.
I used the ejuice-me-up calculator quite effectively when I started, eventually ditching the math and going entirely by feel and taste.
Try to not to make batches too large. Start off with small 5mL batches, so that if something isn't right, you haven't wasted a lot, or you won't have to vape through as much. Larger batches are easier to control, but mistakes become more costly, and mistakes are bound to happen eventually. Better safe than sorry, imo.

Good luck and have fun!

 

[Rat2chat2]

to ecf JohnSh. So glad you are here. I have never seen 30mg nic but I order on line. Lots of great DIY threads that you will find very helpful.

You can always put on a juice calculator. Here is one that I use. A lot of people use the ejuice me up calculator. Both very simple to use. Good luck to you and happy mixing.

DIY E-Liquid Calculator Ten Flavors With Nic. - PG/VG Adjust

 

[tanr]

I'm no expert to be sure but I have been looking at DIY juice for a while, just haven't taken the plunge yet. The recipe looks a little complicated as the ones I have been considering don't have alcohol or vodka, just PG/VG/flavoring and nicotine base. I have seen them mentioned for straight VG to thin out the juice but definitely not vegetable oil. Have you shopped around for other recipes? There are great posts on this site for explanations on this stuff; keep looking till you get your 5 posts in and can start a thread. Welcome!

 

[David1975]

The easiest way I would say to do your mixing would be to mix both your Nic bases into 1 larger bottle. This would give you a 66.67%PG / 33.33%VG base at 30mg.
From there you can easily calculate your mix using eJuice me up. One thing I would recommend is picking up some syringes and blunt tip needles.... Amazon has a pretty good selection of 1ml- 10ml and also the blunt needles. Dripping if NOT "accurate" and as such will cause you problems in recreating your mix again down the road.

 

[Rat2chat2]

Lots of great recipes on ecf diy threads. Here are a few more. Hope they help.

EcigExpress Archive Cookbook | Your favorite e-liquid recipes

The Vape Book

| Homemade E-juice Recipes

E-Liquid Recipes made by Users at EcigVape.com

This link will explain DIY pretty clearly. http://ecigvape.com/

 

[AzPlumber]

Hi all, new member here. I think this question should go in the DIY forum but I have not got 5 posts yet.
I decided to mix my own juice. I went to the local Vape shop and bought 250 ML of 30 MG PG based nicotine, 125 ML of 30 MG base VG nicotine, several 30 ML of PG based flavors and all the supplies I thought I would need. I D/l several different calculators and they all seem to treat the nicotine, PG and VG as different ingredients. I am confused and hope to get someone here to explain to me what I am missing.Here is a print out of the recipe card:


Default.dft
Nicotine Strength e-Juice PG 60% VG 40% 30mg
Target Nicotine Strength 16mg
Amount to Make 10ml
Water/Vodka/PGA 0%
Amaretto PG 0% VG 0%
Nicotine eJuice 5.33ml 107 Drops 53.3% <<<
PG 50% 0.8ml 16 Drops 8% <<<
VG 50% 1.87ml 37 Drops 18.7% <<<
Water/Vodka/PGA 0ml 0 Drops 0%
Amaretto 2ml 40 Drops 20%

I don't want to mix this stuff without a thorough understanding of what I am doing.

Would I divide the drops of Nicotine 60/40 to get the right mixture there and add no nicotine PG and VG as shown here to get the right mixture? If so is any vegetable oil OK to use? What about PG? can I just use Vodka? I ask because I noticed that there was a Water/Vodka/PGA category.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

First off your recipe says you have 60/40 nic base but your list from purchase says 250ml PG 30mg and 125ml VG 30mg. You can pre-mix them at a 60/40 ratio and then use that in your recipe but you can't use them in that recipe as purchased.

You also need to get some straight PG and VG to make your recipe. You need very little alcohol to thin your e-juice so replacing the PG with alcohol is not a good option. DO NOT use vegetable oil, it will not vaporize and will cause very serious complications inside your lungs.

Never use drops as a unit of measure for nicotine. Depending on viscosity of the liquid your drops per can vary from 10 to 60 per ml. Get yourself some 1, 5 & 20 ml syringes and measure your mixes accurately. 16 or 18 gauge needles are fine for everything but VG, you will need at least a 14 gauge for VG.

 

[JohnSh]

First off your recipe says you have 60/40 nic base but your list from purchase says 250ml PG 30mg and 125ml VG 30mg. You can pre-mix them at a 60/40 ratio and then use that in your recipe but you can't use them in that recipe as purchased.

You also need to get some straight PG and VG to make your recipe. You need very little alcohol to thin your e-juice so replacing the PG with alcohol is not a good option. DO NOT use vegetable oil, it will not vaporize and will cause very serious complications inside your lungs.

Never use drops as a unit of measure for nicotine. Depending on viscosity of the liquid your drops per can vary from 10 to 60 per ml. Get yourself some 1, 5 & 20 ml syringes and measure your mixes accurately. 16 or 18 gauge needles are fine for everything but VG, you will need at least a 14 gauge for VG.

Thanks to all of you for the good information. I can tell I still have a lot of reading and research to do before I attempt my first batch. Every link in any reply will definately be read by me and I am going to start putting together a Onenote of all this to try and get a really good idea of best practices. I want to safely enjoy this not end up with poisoning, pneumonia or even a bad taste in my mouth so all input is appreciated.

 

[boxarain]

New to this DYI also. So I buy non-flavored Nic Juice at 100mg mixed with PG. I want to mix my flavor liquid with PG and VG with a 60/40 ratio. Do I have to account for the PG in the Nicotine mix? Or do these calculators assume the pre-mixed nicotine?

 

[sketchness]

New to this DYI also. So I buy non-flavored Nic Juice at 100mg mixed with PG. I want to mix my flavor liquid with PG and VG with a 60/40 ratio. Do I have to account for the PG in the Nicotine mix? Or do these calculators assume the pre-mixed nicotine?

The calculator should have a way to input what nic you actually have and will calculate the ratio. Be careful with that big bottle of poison. I have kids so was not comfortable with anything beyond 36mg/ml nic.

And OP as metioned above you need some more supplies before you get started. wizardlabs.com has pretty good prices on syringes and stuff. and 30mg/ml is sort of an odd nic ratio are you sure that is what it is?

 

[JohnSh]

"30mg/ml is sort of an odd nic ratio are you sure that is what it is?"

Thanks for the input.That is not exactly what the bottle says it just says 30MG but it came from a Vape shop that when I ask complicated questions like is this 30MG/ML or where can I find a calculator that I can input PG & VG nicotine and let it calculate the amounts for me, they look at me like I am from Mars. Maybe it's the second head growing out of my neck! I love it when vendors sell stuff that they don't understand or support.

 

[sketchness]

below is a simple calculator i use. mostly because it is quick. The shop being unable to answer a simple question is a little scary.

e-Liquid Calculator :: New recipe

 

[Rat2chat2]

New to this DYI also. So I buy non-flavored Nic Juice at 100mg mixed with PG. I want to mix my flavor liquid with PG and VG with a 60/40 ratio. Do I have to account for the PG in the Nicotine mix? Or do these calculators assume the pre-mixed nicotine?

Yes the calculator will take into consideration the pg in the nic base. It really does sound more difficult than it is. I'm pretty much all the proof you need that it is easy to do.

Here is the calculator I use for mixing pre-mixed like what you buy and want to dilute or combine.

http://ecigvape.com/combine_calculator.php