I'm a new member. I'm interested in getting some feedback on peoples experience and mostly doing a lot of forum reading. I am a molecular biologist and was surprised of the controversy surrounding e-cigs. I'd like to post elsewhere but you know... spam guard and all.
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I'd like to hear your view on it as well, I don't get all the controversy, but welcome, lots of Information on here, pm me if you want to on it
The only controversy I see is the FDA wants control (money). It's just a legal game because everything in an ecig is already FDA approved. They want to research it, hence many years given to them with lots of money. Then I'm sure someway or some how the tax will come in. Granted with the Box Elder problem there has to be regulation but I don't believe myself that the government has to .... in. Just my two cents.
Welcome qchristensen, I'm so pleased you decided to join the forum. I too would love to hear your opinions and views on vaping. Were always expanding here.
I for one would also like to ear your take as molecular biologist, I'm curious about what you might have "discovered"
And as far as controversy .... haters always gonna hate!
And as far as controversy .... haters always gonna hate!
There's also a lot of money from big tobacco and big pharma trying to protect their profits, and there are the prohibitionist groups who think no one should use nicotine in any form. None of them are listening to scientists.
I general I would say there is scant research on the subject. I'm talking about peer-reviewed research publications here. Not some pdf somebody self-publishes. Research is good because it allows us to make informed decisions. Don't you want to use the healthiest product possible? Also, I think government regulation of consumables is a good thing. It is easier to do that effectively if there is good research on the subject.
Well really the big tobacco is moving in on the ecig. They will not lose money. There is profit to be made so they are already making juice. They where at the Vegas vaperfest, Philip-Morris and RJ Renyolds. Soon they will be coming out with their own stuff. The problem as I see it is the pharmaceutical companies. Think of the money lost if people quit smoking. Big Tobacco just moves on to the new trend. They make the tobacco for the ejuice anyway. For them its a win/win
Yes, we all want to know and make healthy decisions for ourselves. However, I could not have ever quit without ecigs. They may not be 100% safe but IMHO since I have used them I FEEL healthier, I can do things I have never been able to physically do before. The problem is MONEY the Gov, FDA and big Tobacco stand to lose big money and have no desire to make these healthier.
But with big T moving in are we to assume the addition of MAOI's and a host of other addicting drugs to be added? They don't care for our health but the bottom line. And we all know addiction is expensive for us.
I'm sure they will go the route of the other vendors because why buy something that is gonna be slammed? But to have a REAL Marlboro flavor or real Pall-Mall flavor, it's gonna be a huge jump, sure it won't be cheap.
I see your point, but for me the last thing I'd ever want to do is jump back in bed with big T again. He had terrible breath and told me he loved me when he really didn't care at all Anyways I like my Hypno mix way better than marbrol reds.
Anyways I like my Hypno mix way better than marbrol reds.
I feel that the regulation (FDA)(BigT...etc) is an attempt to join the $ thru tax or whatever...however recent developments in the use of a PV to deliver Medicinal ... will surely keep us in the hot seat forever...yes, the PV should be used for delivery of nicotine without being taxed...but because of the $ hungry SOB's we will probably be the one's to suffer another Socialist Government action....Stay tuned.....
"Sensible" legislation to protect the safety of PV products would be fine, but so far no sensibility exists where the prohibitionists are concerned.
Beans brings up a good point, will the big tobacco companies be adding in chemicals like they do with analogs? It's only a matter of time until they impose tariffs on imported ecigs/liquid. But I think if this does happen, it will still be healthier, but maybe not cheaper.
First off welcome aboard
I know it helped me quit smoking. Went from a pack/pack and a half a day for 27 years to only having about 5 or 6 packs in the last 2 months. And you can't say that the scores of people who have quit, and/or who have gone from pack+ a day smokers to under a pack a week is a statistical fluke.
Yes we want the healthiest product available, for the most part. With that said why is most of the meat in a super market injected with anti-biotics, 15% saline/broth & processed out nuetriants which are put back in with artificial chemicals? That doesn't sound healthy, and it isn't but it's a billion dollar industry.
Scientific peer review is the cornerstone of science (even back to the days of the Greek). The problem now in days is that depending on who is funding the research? Diamond Walnuts backed up a health claim by siting 5 independent, peer reviewed papers saying that walnuts helped lower cholesterol. A group of cherry growers did the same thing with research on cherries easing the pain of arthritis. A bunch of FDA beuracrats with no scientific background told them to cease and desist becuase it turned their natural products into drug which would then need to go through FDA testing.... I'm on the liberal side of moderate, so it's not like I am some gun toting militia nut from Montana (no offense to people from Montana) who lives in a shack writing manifestos.
The FDA and USDA can't even keep outbreaks of food happening.
We do need some regulation, so do a lot of other things. The bias towards personal vapers for example. How come these standers are not applied to tobacco products?
Do we want to know the products we are using are safe? You know we do. But have you looked at the list of side effects on prescriptions? I wonder if this nicotine juice makes me have thoughts of suicide? Oh no this new personal vaper battery caused pritism causing serious nerve and cardio vascular damage in my man bits.....
Doctors are being told/sold by pharmcutical companies to write prescriptions for new anti-depressants instead of prescribing stand bys like lithium, benadizapan, and others becuase the pharma companies no longer have a patent on those drugs and make less money off of them.
Sorry to sound a bit whiny but we're cynical of a lot of the claims made again PVs. Is vaping as safe as not vaping? Probably not. Is it safer than smoking? I'd be your slave for 5 years if vaping is more of a threat to my own health and those around me (that used to be breathing in second hand smoke).
Peer reviewed, tested, approved by the FDA.
An alarming number of drugs that have been approved by the FDA have turned out to be deadly. Billions have been paid out in class-action lawsuits and thousands have died. Some of the most infamous are:
Avandia
Vioxx
Yaz and Yasmin
Propecia
Avastin
Zocor
NuvaRing
Fosamax
Actos
Motrin
Clomid
Celebrex
Zelnorm
Heparin
Meridia
Cylert
Bextra
In 2009, prescription drugs factored in the deaths of over 37,000 people. Less people died in motor vehicle accidents that year, which was a new phenomenon, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
During the third quarter of this year, the number of pharmaceutical recalls jumped to 150, compared with about 90 recalls during each of the first two quarters of 2011, according to FDA Enforcement Reports. Moreover, the recent tally dwarfs the roughly 65 recalls that were made during the last quarter of 2010 and nearly doubled the 80 recalls that were notched during the 2010 third quarter.
How well is is FDA regulation and peer-reviewed research working to protect citizens from dangerous medicines? Well, obviously, not very well
An alarming number of drugs that have been approved by the FDA have turned out to be deadly. Billions have been paid out in class-action lawsuits and thousands have died. Some of the most infamous are:
Avandia
Vioxx
Yaz and Yasmin
Propecia
Avastin
Zocor
NuvaRing
Fosamax
Actos
Motrin
Clomid
Celebrex
Zelnorm
Heparin
Meridia
Cylert
Bextra
In 2009, prescription drugs factored in the deaths of over 37,000 people. Less people died in motor vehicle accidents that year, which was a new phenomenon, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
During the third quarter of this year, the number of pharmaceutical recalls jumped to 150, compared with about 90 recalls during each of the first two quarters of 2011, according to FDA Enforcement Reports. Moreover, the recent tally dwarfs the roughly 65 recalls that were made during the last quarter of 2010 and nearly doubled the 80 recalls that were notched during the 2010 third quarter.
How well is is FDA regulation and peer-reviewed research working to protect citizens from dangerous medicines? Well, obviously, not very well
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