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need2stop

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I've gotten to the point where I feel like if I continue to smoke cigs, I will die. Oddly enough, I'm not considered a heavy smoker by most standards, but the health effects to me, over the past decade of my life, from being young and 20, to not as young and 30, are finally manifesting themselves in material, tangible ways - and it has to stop.

I started smoking at age 16, and started smoking regularly at age 18. I started with Camel TG's, then became a long time Marlboro Lights smoker, and for the past 4 or 5 years have smoked Camel Filters. During this time I went from smoking 1 cigarette a day, to 7-10 on average for the past 4 or 5 years (when I switched to the Filters). At first I didn't mind, now I hate it. It's a filthy habit, but I can't let it go. I hate the smell, the ash, the taste, and the way my respiratory passages feel like a damn ash tray at night time.

I'm looking towards E-cigarettes to help me 'cheat' in that they will at least get me to the point where I am battling chemical dependency only, but can at least be free of the carbon monoxide poisoning and tar build up, and maybe even reap some partial health benefits.

I've noticed that many people embrace e-cig's as a comfortable alternative - that's understandable and respectable - it's a better alternative to the cancer sticks, but I would like to think that e-cigs are a tool to help me be free of nicotine wholly eventually, something temporary, not a long term alternative. Then again, I am jumping ahead of myself.

I've been lurking for sometime, and find the mass of information overwhelming, with this forum being the only really centralized (relatively speaking) source of information. I wish there was a wikia on the hardware aspects of e-digs. I totally get the boys-and-there-toys aspect of it, and would love to piece together just one e-cig that fulfills my requirements, and not really turn it into a hobby where I have different ones for different times etc. - I have other hobbies like that, and like I said, given that I don't want this to be a long term solution, it seems most prudent to stick to whatever e-cig I can buy/create that will be able to replace my half-a-pack-a-day habit.

I have found a lot of products out there, through this forum, but every new one I find makes me come up with more questions!

To aid in finding something right for me, and to help you guys give me pertinent advice, I have tried to set constraints and parameters to help:

- It must be cigarette sized. I'm not down with fat cigar sized ones, or wands - this is replacing my cigarette, it has to mimic that hand to mouth motion, and has to be as portable and compact. I think this will be the most helpful in limiting my choices and making a decision easier.

- It must be of quality built. Money isn't a limiting factor here. Even the gigantic contraptions which are comparatively expensive aren't absolutely expensive - especially when compared with the cost of cigs over the year and medical bills. I'm MORE than willing to pay for quality.

- If it can be like a handgun, in that you can buy a basic frame and upgrade components as you gain experience and learn about their relationship with the other hardware involved - that would be great. Interchangeability and customizable while maintaining the cigarette form factor are what I'm after I guess. For the cigarette form factor, it seems there are usually just 3 prts: the batt, the cartridge, and the atomizer. I would be down to buy high quality components and piece together something good.

- Availability and local-ness? I want a brand that is reputable, has parts and supplies readily available.

As for my usage - I smoke about 5-10 cigs a day, usually around the 7-8 mark. 4 or so before I even leave work, and another 3 or 4 in the evening by the time i go to bed. It has to be able to last 7-10 cigs worth in a day. Nicotine delivery and throat hit are important to me, because to me I don't just smoke for the nicotine, I smoke for the smokey feeling especially after those big meals... and sex.. and I've had friends who tried disposable ecigs say that it just doesn't hit the spot on occasion. As for the amount of visual vapor, or smoke, I could care less. As long as I feel like it, it doesn't have to see like it!

Anyhow, if anyone can point me to comprehensive lists of the various components, or reviews or brand names of quality components, or leaders in the cigarette form-factor type... It just seems overwhelming with the variety of the different types of vapes out there, and I guess since it's a relatively new phenomena there is no centralized encyclopedia of e-smoking haha.
 
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dragnz

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Trust me. I was, and still am, overwhelmed by the amount of information and all of the different types. I have only had my e-cig for a week now, but I haven't totally kicked my 1 PAD habit. I now only smoke max 6 analogs a day, so still working on it. I purchased a Green Smoke. It doesn't really fit any other parts on the market though. I have learned that it is an E9 model by reading around in the threads. I love some of the flavors and the throat hit is pretty strong, especially on the first drag of the day. I use the 18 mg strength cartidges. The Green Smoke (and many like it) are two pieces, but you can purchase a three piece model from other companies if that is your wish.

To start out, I chose a two piece. They resemble analogs the most. With some companies, you can also choose an automatic battery or a manual battery. I wanted an automatic battery to more closely mimic an analog. It is activated by taking a drag. With a two piece, you don't have to worry about changing the atomizer because you put on a new one every time you change the cartridge out.

I don't know of any comprehensive list though. After reading some of the threads, it seems that some of the reviews on the internet on various e-cigs may have been put there by a distributor of the product. I know I may not have been the greatest of help, but I also know that it is hard to find information. I thought I would at least let you know about my very limited experience with the one company I have dealt with.
 

need2stop

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Yeah, I was hoping that by limiting myself to the 808 style e-cigs, I would be making the decision process easier! But even then, theres billions of different types of each component, each with different pros and cons!

From the little I have learned, I think the 510 styles are a bit more enthusiast-oriented, and probably more than what I want to get in to. I figured a quality 2 piece 808 would be simple, and if I spent enough on a high quality manual battery and high quality cartomizers, I would hopefully be able to achieve a good substitute. And they feel more like cigs to me, the 510's are fat in my hands (the few I've handled in stores) and I have to buy in to it mentally if I'm going to seriously use it to get myself off cigs.

I appreciate the information and any advice though on quality 808's. I hope to start this on April 1st, so I intend to buy something soon enough to have it by then. I don't want to give Winston Salem my money anymore haha.

The clearing of the chest would be great to feel as well. My lungs and heart are tired of the abuse!
 

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Lol! I live in Winston Salem!! Good ole R.J. Reynolds. My Newports were made in Greensboro...right up the street.

Sorry I'm not much help with your question. I started with an ego kit with clearos & don't have much experience with cig a likes. Hopefully your questions will be answered soon. Welcome to ECF.
 

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I would get a few Ego C batteries, a charger, a few mini vivi novas, spare coils, thread covers, and an assortment of juices. Try some tobacco blends since you are a smoker. This should give you enough supplies to get started and last for several weeks. The novas are pretty decent and they are very easy to disassemble and clean when you want to change flavors.

Best of luck, most don't turn back.
 

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Hi! Welcome to the forum! Congratulations on your choice to pursue vaping! I tried the Blu at first but don't recommend it. I got maybe 10 hours vape time total. I will say, that was the old style where the atomizer("fire") was not with each cartomizer(flavor cartridge). I contacted them and they just wanted me to spend even more money. I have heard a lot about the Volt and I think Altsmoke is a very reputable company.
 

need2stop

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@chimney Good ole RJ Reynolds indeed. It's probably the place I've never visited but thought about the most because every box is stamped Winston, Salem, NC. I always imagine it just being a gigantic magical factory town with trucks of cigs rolling out... like Willy Wonka.. but not for children haha.

@Sawlight, the volt seems to be a popular one, and I have nothing against it as a first buy, except for the fact that I've read that the parts are proprietary in their connection? I don't want anything fancy, but I would like something I could try and mix and match with.. seeing as how I would like to stick to a simple 2 piece design I don't think it's asking for much? Do you see the proprietary parts as a problem? If it's a quality product and I won't have to look elsewhere for cartomizers and if they have a range of batteries to try then I suppose it wouldn't be a problem? V4L I've browsed before and they seem look a reputable vendor. And their different options seem straightforward and easy to understand. So is that your estimate of what 7-10 cigs equates to? approximately 3 batteries and 2 carts a day? I don't mind carrying around mutliple batteries, especially if they're each the same thickness as a cig and if it's as simple as unscrewing the old one and putting on a new one... I would rather carry a some of those than a pack of smokes.

@dvxx & crss, those Ego C batteries n the Vamo look like it will make the tactile feel of the ecig too thick for my liking, and to be honest - that list of components looks like more than I can handle for right now! I would rather jump into a basic, but quality two piece, and then change what I use depending on where it's not fulfilling my needs (like if it's not strong enough, or not lasting long enough, etc.) It seems like getting something with so many pieces at first will confuse me when I want to improve upon it or make it more suited to my personal needs.

@Vvvvaaaapppppeeeeerrrrrrrrr, The friend who turned me towards e-cigs currently is using the Blu's, but he still switches back and forth. When it comes to gadgetry though he does things half ... and if I'm going to get something, I would like to get something quality, even though it may not initially meed my needs, rathr than go for something cheap, not have it work out, and then revert back to RJ-Reynolds'-autopsy-surprise.

All I know is I would like a two piece 808 design, and it has to be strong enough in throat hit and nicotine to fool my body. And I'll probably go with a tobacco taste to resemble a cig as much as possible. It doesn't have to taste good. Cigarettes taste like donkey .... yet I smoke them anyways haha. And I'm afraid if i start having like peach cobbler ecigs it will take it from smoking cessation aid to novelty/fun item.

I guess I should ask questions to help you all help me.

What are the different aspects of batteries? I understand manual vs. auto, and variable voltage vs fixed, and that more mah is better. Is there anything else to it? Do they make a manual, variable voltage, high mah battery (to the extent that it doesn't make it super fat, i don't mind camel wides fat, but not mini cigar fat) that will thread on to 808 cartomizers? What are popular ones that fit those requirements?

From what I can understand, a cartomizer is an integrated cartridge of juice and an atomizer. What are the advantages of having seperate tanks and atomizers aside from cost/re-useability of atomizers? I don't care about the cost, so I think I would prefer the convenience, of a cartomizer. Also, on V4L they have a tank cartomizer? How is that different from a regular cartomizer?

Also, how does 'vape time' translate to # of cigs? I don't know the nicotine content of camel filters.. they keep that information hard to find! But I probabl spend 25 minutes to 100 minutes with my mouth attached to a cig each day... does it equate 1:1? If so, will a quality battery last me all day/10 cigs worth at the most?

Those are the questions I have off the top off my head for now. I appreciate all the suggestions and the welcomes, thanks everyone.
 

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@Sawlight, the volt seems to be a popular one, and I have nothing against it as a first buy, except for the fact that I've read that the parts are proprietary in their connection? I don't want anything fancy, but I would like something I could try and mix and match with.. seeing as how I would like to stick to a simple 2 piece design I don't think it's asking for much? Do you see the proprietary parts as a problem? If it's a quality product and I won't have to look elsewhere for cartomizers and if they have a range of batteries to try then I suppose it wouldn't be a problem? V4L I've browsed before and they seem look a reputable vendor. And their different options seem straightforward and easy to understand. So is that your estimate of what 7-10 cigs equates to? approximately 3 batteries and 2 carts a day? I don't mind carrying around mutliple batteries, especially if they're each the same thickness as a cig and if it's as simple as unscrewing the old one and putting on a new one... I would rather carry a some of those than a pack of smokes.

Whew, had to get that thinned down a lot!:laugh:
The Volt is 808 threaded, nothing proprietary about them, you asked for 808 and these are the two most respected sources for them.
Vapor4life has a lot of choices in the cig-alike batteries, besides the other options. You wanted cig-alikes it offers the most choices of this style I am aware of.
When you first start, yes, I think you will go through two cartomizers a day, it takes a while for you to settle in and you will initially be trying to smoke it like an analog rather than just puffing when needed. NO, I don't think you will need three batteries a day, BUT you will need spares! You may go through two a day, you may go through one, but they break when dropped, easily I know! The sometimes don't work very long, sometimes they work for years, it's a crapshoot! Backups, backups, backups! We can't stress this enough! It will take at least three days to get new ones, so it's best to have some handy!
 

need2stop

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So after a night and day of thinking, this is what I've got in my cart so far:

3x V4L Titan XL Manual batteries
1x Delrin Tips (I know these also mainly aid in refilling, but I just would like to see the feel and fit of one as well on a pre-filled carto)
2x Slim Charger
1x USB charger
1x Car Adapter

I was going to get some blank cartos and juice but I think for my first go I'll probably just get a variety of pre-filled ones and once I find the handful of tobacco flavors I like the best I may just get juice and fill/re-fill my own then.

In the mean time, a lot of the reviews I've read have praised V4L hardware, but many people find their tobacco cartos wanting. I'll probably get a sampler pack from them anyways, in the coolcarts and wow cart types, but what are some other vendors who are known for their good tobacco flavors, not just juice but quality pre-filled cartos. I'll deal with learning how to refill them later.

Also, how is that list for starting out? I think based on advice it should be sufficient to see at the very least if this is a viable option or not.

Also, when it comes to juice and pre-filled carto suggestions, quality is definitely important to me. I would like as few unknown chemicals as possible, and will give preference quality sourced ones and those vendors who can back up their claims about it... cause I don't really want to replace tar with some other yet-unknown chemical killer. No lead, no automotive chemicals, no detergents, etc :)
 
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sawlight

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Nice start for sure! Glad you listened on the 3x batteries, there will come a day you will thank me for that!
As for V4l's tobacco, I LOVE, and I mean LOVE the Wowboy juice! The Wowboy peppermint is a nice change as well on occasion.
If it wasn't for having a B&M that can hook me up with 64ml's of juice, that's not half bad, for $20.32 otd, I'd still be using it! Sorry, but in my world every penny counts!
 
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