What do you mean by " i do not trust what is happening " ? Specifically, what exactly do you think happens on 8/8/16 as far as vapers are concerned, that warrants a " countdown thread ". Could you point to anything specific that alters our landscape on 8/8/16. I don't mean a general " oh that's the date everything is deemed a tobacco product " , i mean something that prohibits me from ordering rta's and liquid nic.Agreed no one has to stock up, it is a personal choice. At this point I do not trust what is happening to not stock up. But to each their own
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Unfortunately, this is becoming a more difficult guessing game lately.
The states that have passed the most draconian, Orwellian, and onerous vaping laws (lately) are AR, Utah, and Indiana, bills that were introduced by Republican lawmakers and signed into law by Republican governors.
However, I have never thought this was a partisan issue, and believe that by pitting people against each other, instead of uniting them, we lose strength.
Somebody on another forum pointed out that Occupy Wall Street and the Tea Party both were formed because they were angry about the Wall Street bailout, but for slightly different reasons. Instead of uniting, they dilluted their own efforts by fighting each other instead.
We should learn from this.
It is because I don't know everything that will happen after 8-8 that I do not personally trust the FDA deeming or how the states will react to it. My stock up was because I do not want to pay tobacco tax on vape supplies. The fact is no one, not you or I or anyone knows exactly what will or will not happen after 8-8. My state or your state could make it tough for online sales. If no online sales how will get your Nic ? What about PayPal and CC not allowing tobacco purchases? Who knows how bad it will be. But you are free to do as you please, stock up or not it's your choice
Of course, i'm free to do as i pleaseIt is because I don't know everything that will happen after 8-8 that I do not personally trust the FDA deeming or how the states will react to it. My stock up was because I do not want to pay tobacco tax on vape supplies. The fact is no one, not you or I or anyone knows exactly what will or will not happen after 8-8. My state or your state could make it tough for online sales. If no online sales how will get your Nic ? What about PayPal and CC not allowing tobacco purchases? Who knows how bad it will be. But you are free to do as you please, stock up or not it's your choice
All the concerns you have expressed, i share with you. But those are general concerns, and not specifically linked to any date, 8/8 or any other. i guess you answered my question in a manner of speaking , so i won't press it 
Other than the high upfront expense, turning to DIY and RTAs means even if the entire deeming regulation fiasco were thrown out and every state decided to ignore vaping, I will still end up saving hundreds of dollars a year over buying juice and replacement coils. From my perspective, the investment in my nic will provide for many years of savings. My tanks won't go out of "style", and my mods will work for as long as their life cycle. Hopefully I can buy new hardware down the road, and maybe even premade juice if I find something special that's affordable, but if not, no real loss.
There's another upside. If the vape market really contracts and new products do not make it to market, my shiny obsession will finally come to an end.
I wish i had your Faith but unfortunately i know how the little rat _______Bureaucrats think.
Truer words were never spoken.But if you don't trust all this to favor vapers on the state or fed level, stock up, you will use it anyway
If nothing happens yoy wont have to buy supplies for a few years.
But if one doesnt stock up and 90% vaping supplies goes away. Don't come crying to me.
There is two good prepping stories.
Maybe Ocala FL guy should look them up.
1. The story of the ant and the grasshopper.
2. In the Bible the parable of the 10 wise and 10 foolish virginis waiting for the bride groom. To go to the wedding party.
THR foolish had not bought enough oil so they went to buy more and they missed out on the wedding and party afterward
It's funny really as I used to believe nothing would hinder our ability to vape, it had grown by leaps and bounds, everything a vaper could want was out there and even prices came down because there is so much compitition. Vaping was here to stay worldwide I thought. Then you start hearing things, the Deeming, the states rules on vape and suddenly I realized yes things are changing and no guarantee we will have such an open market for vape items. Where will it end up ? No one really knows. Do I feel better stocked up? Oh yes, and I don't mind being laughed at if I was wrong I am happy with everything I did and everything I bought
I am happy with everything I did and everything I bought 
I figure if I'm wrong about stocking up, the worst that will happen is I have tons of gear to help others quit smoking.
The only negative is NOT TO PREP.
If nothing happens think of all the money you saved by avoiding inflation and taxes.
If the worst happens you're prepared
Hard to see a losing side unless some one puts $1,000 on a Credit card and pays it off over The next 40 years
Pretty much like the truce between Mazinny and myself.Agreed no one has to stock up, it is a personal choice. At this point I do not trust what is happening to not stock up. But to each their own
We know where each other stand and no need to beat a dead mule. We both made our decision and we will live with the conseqences of those choices.
Pretty much like the truce between Mazinny and myselfAgreed no one has to stock up, it is a personal choice. At this point I do not trust what is happening to not stock up. But to each their own
We know where each other stand and no need to beat a dead mule. We both made our decision and we will live with the conseqences
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Of course, i'm free to do as i please
Two things.
1. On 8/8/2016 almost everything vape related gets reclassified as a tobacco product.
2. Several states already have rules about buying tobacco products online.
2b. I had given orphan Kayfun and Orchid tanks to an ECF member. I go to the Post Office. When i tried to ship them the lady at the wibdow asked what was in it. I said two empty tanks for an eCigarette. The lady said you can't ship them. I explained they were empty tanks and there was NO battery. She said only a vape shop could ship them.
I catch the bus and go to another Post Office and ship the darn things but thus time i classify them as electronic gear. And they were shipped with no issues.
A LOT of States are hurting for revenue and they are ready to tax almost anything to oblivion.
I don't see why it matters what anyone else thinks or does (regarding stockpiling or not). I understand discussing the issue and even having disagreements over whether or not the worst will come to pass, but what anyone else chooses to buy or not to buy is only of passing interest to me and will not change what I do unless I purposefully seek out opinions on the matter.
I've bought and given away so many mods and tanks and juice over the last two years that realistically I've only fractionally replenished what I've given away with my stockpiling.
Just like "smartphone wars," "ProVari wars," or anything else as silly as that, I might read those threads if I'm in the mood to munch on some popcorn.
I'm prepping because I can and I want to but mainly because I want to vape despite what the government does. I don't have to give any reasons why I'm doing it, but discussing it is fun to me. If all of this ends up a big fat nothing, so what. Some of my vaping buddies will probably end up with a nice Christmas gift from me.
I've bought and given away so many mods and tanks and juice over the last two years that realistically I've only fractionally replenished what I've given away with my stockpiling.
Just like "smartphone wars," "ProVari wars," or anything else as silly as that, I might read those threads if I'm in the mood to munch on some popcorn.
I'm prepping because I can and I want to but mainly because I want to vape despite what the government does. I don't have to give any reasons why I'm doing it, but discussing it is fun to me. If all of this ends up a big fat nothing, so what. Some of my vaping buddies will probably end up with a nice Christmas gift from me.
In another thread i spelled it out how they could prep for $500.
3 liters nicotine
3 mods
3 RDAs or RTAs
Stock up flavors for ejuice
Maybe get 4-5 hundred feet of wire.
Some vapers spent that much on cigarettes to last 4-6 weeks.
The only thing i would change on that is to get ALL the nicotine yoy can before 8/8/2016. Then a month or so later get tge mods attys, etc.
I fail to see the downside to stocking up. I see many potential downsides to not stocking up. The big question for me is: how can I ensure I will never have to pick up another cigarette? I will not leave my fate in any politician's or government agency's hands. I have seen too much. We have to take our lives into our own hands whenever and wherever we can, IMO. There is precious little opportunity to do so, and this is one.
By after the fact meant the law was passed that e-liquid could only be purchased face to face before I even knew the law was coming. I didn't find out about it until after it was a done deal. I would never assume that it is your job to keep me or anyone else but yourself up to date. I did follow the threads after the fact even if I didn't post in them. I understood what was allowed and not allowed.
You made me starting thinking and counting.
My first goal is not to smoke. I figured out the downside if nothing changes and I can continue to vape as I have done the last 18 months.
If that happens I am out about $1500 for stuff I will never use. If things go as they seem to I will be ahead $4000 per year based on the price of the last carton I bought 18 months ago every year until I die.
I will be buying more
That is EXACTLY the point.
I smoked 1978-12/28/2015. That was almost 35 years i damaged my health with cigarettes.
I was down to 3 mg and went out to dinner with family. A hellacious argument started and had not Brought my eCig. I had to bum two cigarettes, abd i got hooked on tge ______ Things again. My 3 mg vape wasnt cutting it. I had to go up to 12 mg and come down again.
I had tried tge gum, Patches, cold turkey, and hypnosis to silence that darn craving for nicotine. I tried vaping with great success.
Been nic free 7 months and 6 days. I still vape 0 mg nic. Because either vape 0mg nic or smoke.
I refuse to smoke and make darn sure i can vape when stress comes, so i prepped to ensure i can vape regardless what the idiot Bureaucrats say.
I prepped and recommend other vapers prep just in case.
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